India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Kalki2020]

let's wait a bit for official statement, but to me it looks like QUAD is being moved away from a potential military alliance.

First four minutes are enough to make out what would have been discussed. There were indications too regarding the agendas of quad meeting released by US & rest. India Japan & Australia had some similar line of thought w.r.t agenda with which these nations would be setting up the tone for future course of this group.

 

[IndianHawk]

I see it differently.. That the deep state under Biden, is in as much hurry, as Trump was to get out of Afghanistan.. tells us that US is finally abandoning its dream of total domination of Eurasia..That the US Indo pacific command has sought funding for the "Pacific Deterrence Initiative" to contain China within the first Island Chain, means that US has recognized that the unipolar moment, where it hoped to dominate every region has passed, and it is marshaling all it's energies, to defend US primacy in the western pacific.. as the loss of this primacy to China, would directly threaten the US pacific coast..
So, I can say with confidence that US deep state has more or less decided to militarily confront and contain China..

You are only half right. Yes USA recognise that unipolar moment is gone. But rather than confronting china it's deep state is dreaming of a G2 solution where Beijing becomes a bit moderate and usa and china share the world.

Why do you thinks from Clinton to Obama and Biden usa didn't confronted china?? Why was usa helplessly watching unipolar moment pass??

Only bush was serious enough and hence concluded nuke deal with India providing India defacto nuclear status and laying the groundwork of grand alliance.

Obama through it away. Trump was too reckless but he was moving against china fast hence he was embroiled in fake Russia gate. While everyone in usa knows to take on china russia must be atleast neutral if not pro usa. Trump tried it but was crucified.

Rot goes too deep.

 

[Lost user]

You are only half right. Yes USA recognise that unipolar moment is gone. But rather than confronting china it's deep state is dreaming of a G2 solution where Beijing becomes a bit moderate and usa and china share the world.

Why do you thinks from Clinton to Obama and Biden usa didn't confronted china?? Why was usa helplessly watching unipolar moment pass??

Only bush was serious enough and hence concluded nuke deal with India providing India defacto nuclear status and laying the groundwork of grand alliance.

Obama through it away. Trump was too reckless but he was moving against china fast hence he was embroiled in fake Russia gate. While everyone in usa knows to take on china russia must be atleast neutral if not pro usa. Trump tried it but was crucified.

Rot goes too deep.

All that the US tried in the 2 decades after the end of cold war , was trying to make China moderate.. and it didn't end well.. It did so because containing China will be a lot more costlier than deterring and containing Soviet union.. But, that pursuit seems to have ended.. and US is heading in the direction of deterring and containing China..

 

[sorcerer]

India, China hold in-depth talks to address remaining issues in eastern Ladakh

India and China on Friday held "in-depth" diplomatic talks to address the remaining issues along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh, holding that disengagement of troops in the North and South banks of Pangong lake provided a good basis to work towards their early resolution.

India, China hold in-depth talks to address remaining issues in eastern Ladakh

The two countries agreed during the virtual parleys that in the interim they should continue to maintain stability at ground level and prevent any untoward incident, the MEA said in a statement

www.livemint.com

 

[IndianHawk]

All that the US tried in the 2 decades after the end of cold war , was trying to make China moderate.. and it didn't end well.. It did so because containing China will be a lot more costlier than deterring and containing Soviet union.. But, that pursuit seems to have ended.. and US is heading in the direction of deterring and containing China..

It's the same Biden who didn't do anything to contain china while he was in office just 4 years ago.

It's same democratic cabal of Hillary , Obama , Kissinger and company which have no interest in fighting china.

It's all words and subterfuge . They will talk big game and announce grandiose plans while in actuality they will slow down both usa military procurement and deployment. There are already talks of cutting down f35 and retiring an aircraft carrier early. They are trying to sign missile treaties while knowing they are total nonsense. And attacking allies like india on humans rights ground . Sounds familiar??

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Biden has no intentions of going against his chinese masters . He is reversing many things Trump did.
He has a clear agenda. Quad may stay nothing more than a toothless informal grouping. Good thing India
did not put all it's chips on (lack off) US leadership. China is emerging victorious against US on many
fronts and Biden is not a leader to challenge them or trust in national security issues.

 

[IndianHawk]

Biden has no intentions of going against his chinese masters . He is reversing many things Trump did.
He has a clear agenda. Quad may stay nothing more than a toothless informal grouping. Good thing India
did not put all it's chips on (lack off) US leadership. China is emerging victorious against US on many
fronts and Biden is not a leader to challenge them or trust in national security issues.

True . Trump had actually started arming Taiwan back. If Biden atleast doesn't cancel that ,. That will be a saving grace.

 

[Cheran]

You are only half right. Yes USA recognise that unipolar moment is gone. But rather than confronting china it's deep state is dreaming of a G2 solution where Beijing becomes a bit moderate and usa and china share the world.

Why do you thinks from Clinton to Obama and Biden usa didn't confronted china?? Why was usa helplessly watching unipolar moment pass??

Only bush was serious enough and hence concluded nuke deal with India providing India defacto nuclear status and laying the groundwork of grand alliance.

Obama through it away. Trump was too reckless but he was moving against china fast hence he was embroiled in fake Russia gate. While everyone in usa knows to take on china russia must be atleast neutral if not pro usa. Trump tried it but was crucified.

Rot goes too deep.

All that the US tried in the 2 decades after the end of cold war , was trying to make China moderate.. and it didn't end well.. It did so because containing China will be a lot more costlier than deterring and containing Soviet union.. But, that pursuit seems to have ended.. and US is heading in the direction of deterring and containing China..

Pointers/clues to the future USA-CCP relation can be gauged from economic policies, USA trying to decouple itself from CCP goods(?), supply chain realignment, alternative sources for rare earths, constant internal american bitching about CCP arsenal to get more budget (?) etc.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Pointers/clues to the future USA-CCP relation can be gauged from economic policies, USA trying to decouple itself from CCP goods(?), supply chain realignment, alternative sources for rare earths, constant internal american bitching about CCP arsenal to get more budget (?) etc.

don't be fooled US is not decoupling yet in any significant way. After China-EU trade deal and China -Russia space deal US is becoming left out and chasing the chinese like a dog looking for a bone.

 

[FalconSlayers]

First we need to reduce our dependence from China and shift it to Taiwan, and then recognise Taiwan. We need to be Aatmanirbhar in as many things as possible.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

All that the US tried in the 2 decades after the end of cold war , was trying to make China moderate.. and it didn't end well.. It did so because containing China will be a lot more costlier than deterring and containing Soviet union.. But, that pursuit seems to have ended.. and US is heading in the direction of deterring and containing China..

Chin has a goal , to rekindle its past glory.
They didn't care about usa mindset etc etc.
They must be laughing at foolishness of usa.
Soviet onion was no oldie civilization, chin is though.

 

[Lost user]

Chin has a goal , to rekindle its past glory.
They didn't care about usa mindset etc etc.
They must be laughing at foolishness of usa.
Soviet onion was no oldie civilization, chin is though.

Doesn't matter.. Any civilization can be cut to size.. and Soviet union was a manifestation of the more than 1000 year old
Kievan Rus civilization, Russia still is..

 

[Lost user]

don't be fooled US is not decoupling yet in any significant way. After China-EU trade deal and China -Russia space deal US is becoming left out and chasing the chinese like a dog looking for a bone.

There will be US decoupling from China in strategic sectors, like military supply chain, telecom, rare earth's and so on.. Other sectors will be fine..
Mark this.. there will be either soft or hard containment ( Hard containment which will require lots of sacrifices from US, and I currently don't see a national consensus in US justifying these sacrifices)of China by the US.. China's ultimate aim has always been to throw US out of Western pacific.. and that, will threaten the US home land.. So, US has no choice in the matter.. Even a purported G2, will necessitate a soft containment of China, while simultaneously managing the risks through frequent interaction with the US..

 

[LETHALFORCE]

There will be US decoupling from China in strategic sectors, like military supply chain, telecom, rare earth's and so on.. Other sectors will be fine..
Mark this.. there will be either soft or hard containment ( Hard containment which will require lots of sacrifices from US, and I currently don't see a national consensus in US justifying these sacrifices)of China by the US.. China's ultimate aim has always been to throw US out of Western pacific.. and that, will threaten the US home land.. So, US has no choice in the matter.. Even a purported G2, will necessitate a soft containment of China, while simultaneously managing the risks through frequent interaction with the US..

US chip industry is trying to open market back up. So much for decoupling, national security Huwaei BS.

US, China to set up working group to ease tension in global chips industry

The launch of the working group came amid speculation that the Biden administration is likely to relax trade restrictions against Chinese semiconductor companies to ease a global shortage of chips.

www.scmp.com

Huawei calls for talks with Biden administration on trade ban

Supply chain access is Chinese tech titan's 'priority,' says US-based vice president

asia.nikkei.com

 

[Lost user]

Biden has no intentions of going against his chinese masters . He is reversing many things Trump did.
He has a clear agenda. Quad may stay nothing more than a toothless informal grouping. Good thing India
did not put all it's chips on (lack off) US leadership. China is emerging victorious against US on many
fronts and Biden is not a leader to challenge them or trust in national security issues.

India rightly does not consider Quad as a military grouping it can bank on.. because, unlike other quad members, it is India that shares 3400 km of un demarcated border with China.. so, we don't have the kind of "margin of error" that other quad members have..

 

[LETHALFORCE]

India rightly does not consider Quad as a military grouping it can bank on.. because, unlike other quad members, it is India that shares 3400 km of un demarcated border with China.. so, we don't have the kind of "margin of error" that other quad members have..

I think better relations with China will a huge effect on India's policy more than almost all other nations??

 

[Lost user]

US chip industry is trying to open market back up. So much for decoupling, national security Huwaei BS.

US, China to set up working group to ease tension in global chips industry

The launch of the working group came amid speculation that the Biden administration is likely to relax trade restrictions against Chinese semiconductor companies to ease a global shortage of chips.

www.scmp.com

Huawei calls for talks with Biden administration on trade ban

Supply chain access is Chinese tech titan's 'priority,' says US-based vice president

asia.nikkei.com

Talks about working groups.. and calls for talks by Huawei.. nothing concrete there.. Meanwhile Biden admin lands huawei a concrete blow.. Also, don't expect a blanket ban on chip exports to China, which would cause US economy a huge deal of damage.

US imposes additional 5G restrictions on Huawei licensees

Previously issued licences now have more conditions

www.google.com

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Talks about working groups.. and calls for talks by Huawei.. nothing concrete there.. Meanwhile Biden admin lands huawei a concrete blow.. Also, don't expect a blanket ban on chip exports to China, which would cause US economy a huge deal of damage.

US imposes additional 5G restrictions on Huawei licensees

Previously issued licences now have more conditions

www.google.com

not all chips that would be impossible but companies that are known security threats need to be kept out.

 

[Lost user]

I think better relations with China will a huge effect on India's policy more than almost all other nations??

Possibly, but under what terms is the question.. Currently, China wants an India that is economically defanged, which would not pose China a long term threat..
But, if China is ready to give India space for its own economic and geopolitical growth, then, I am fine with having good relations with China..

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Possibly, but under what terms is the question.. Currently, China wants an India that is economically defanged, which would not pose China a long term threat..
But, if China is ready to give India space for its own economic and geopolitical growth, then, I am fine with having good relations with China..

chinese always want India in a subservient role.They dont want any competition.
block China from having access to trade routes in Indian ocean regions.