India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Suryavanshi]

Absolutely not true. They can be replaced, yes, but setting up contracts with suppliers, and/or setting up domestic production facility takes time.

Few things that will be very hard to replace will be -

• Electronics/Chipsets - No ecosystem in India, or in near future. Few countries can supply high-quality products in large numbers, including Vietnam and South Korea.
• Nuclear machinery - Self-explanatory. Few countries make them and are liberal enough to sell them to us.
• Iron & Steel items/alloys - High-grade alloys like duralumin (aerospace grade aluminium-alloy), no ecosystem in India.

I can go on and on...

And yes, now that we have realised China is a friend no more, we will move away from China. Within 1-2 year we will be able to de-couple our economy from China.



Doklam was resolved with China accepting our demands, and thereafter Xi flying to India to mend ties. Yep, we got fooled. But then again, anyone would be.



It actually happened within a week. And that is actually a very short time to mobilise a large number of troops.



True, but also -

• Pvt. industry will not spawn overnight. The industry is an ecosystem which feeds on one another, it takes time. At least a decade to grow and flourish.
• Quality of products initially will not be up to the standard.
• Some products which require high-technical challenges and crucial-patented technologies might never be developed. For example, microprocessors, high-grade metal alloys etc.

Yeah, and people will swallow such draconian rule? See the farmer's protest? CAA protest ?

Gov wants Self sustenance in Fertilizers, PLI scheme for Medical Instrument and Pharma Raw Material already being introduced. About Autoparts gov can do more and some companies have taken pledge to cut chinese imports.

We need to diversify our import and export to cushion against trade war, recession and dependency.

We Depend upon China way more than they depend upon us.

We can propel ourselves and our neighbors through trade.


EU recently sanctioned Timber Import from Myanmmar for various reasons, we can step in and import cheap Timber from Myanmmar, no need to suck upto IKEA we can meet our own demands with little bit of imports.
The WB, Odisha Region can become a hub of High Grade furniture's.

Teak purchases from Myanmar discouraged in EU countries

Similarly there are whole lot of AESAN country that are looking to balance out China.
There Is Africa for cheap Raw Material There is Chile for Lithium, there is Australia for Coal and Quartz.

As long as Finished product has way higher Market value from its Production cost we will stand to gain from trade.

 

[Cruise missile]

Gov wants Self sustenance in Fertilizers, PLI scheme for Medical Instrument and Pharma Raw Material already being introduced. About Autoparts gov can do more and some companies have taken pledge to cut chinese imports.

We need to diversify our import and export to cushion against trade war, recession and dependency.

We Depend upon China way more than they depend upon us.

We can propel ourselves and our neighbors through trade.


EU recently sanctioned Timber Import from Myanmmar for various reasons, we can step in and import cheap Timber from Myanmmar, no need to suck upto IKEA we can meet our own demands with little bit of imports.
The WB, Odisha Region can become a hub of High Grade furniture's.

Teak purchases from Myanmar discouraged in EU countries

Similarly there are whole lot of AESAN country that are looking to balance out China.
There Is Africa for cheap Raw Material There is Chile for Lithium, there is Australia for Coal and Quartz.

As long as Finished product has way higher Market value from its Production cost we will stand to gain from trade.

We need to set up fab and forge through public private partnership.

 

[Suryavanshi]

We need to set up fab and forge through public private partnership.

Its not happening any time soon, probably 2030 till we have a decent foundry here.
Our Electrical imports are going down thanks to localization of mobile manufacturing and booming electrical industry, u will see imports further plummet since gov is introducing massive PLI.

 

[shade]

Its not happening any time soon, probably 2030 till we have a decent foundry here.
Our Electrical imports are going down thanks to localization of mobile manufacturing and booming electrical industry, u will see imports further plummet since gov is introducing massive PLI.

Main electronic import by value will always be ICs.
Without a fab, you will have no ICs manufactured here.
PCBs and passive components can be manufactured here though.

 

[Cruise missile]

Its not happening any time soon, probably 2030 till we have a decent foundry here.
Our Electrical imports are going down thanks to localization of mobile manufacturing and booming electrical industry, u will see imports further plummet since gov is introducing massive PLI.

Yes but we still import raw materials for alloys and polyester . We should have complete strategic autonomy in this field.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Main electronic import by value will always be ICs.
Without a fab, you will have no ICs manufactured here.
PCBs and passive components can be manufactured here though.

Yup still low end ICs can be given shot with gov help, the keyword here is gov help. No electronics Company here has a capital to invest 1 billion for low end ICs let alone the one used in Mobile Phones that will cost 4 billion upwards easily.
Better do things in pyramid order first the plastic, than PCB, than Battery, than peripheral component and finally IC.
Gov is in talks with chile for lithium import so we are on right track when it comes to batteries.

I am still ass mad on PSUs like BHEL and BEL, they have utterly disappointed us the same kind of PSUs China have achieved wonders. I expected these PSU to spearhead research on electrical sector but all they have done is being a sinkhole for taxpayers money.
I was ass mad when I got to know PCB printing units were imported from China, despite producing most engineers in the world most Engineering colleges don't have a PCB printing machines. Thats why our kids dont think of making anything other than quadcopter whose material is imported from china.

Indias achievement in IT is due to independence from gov interference sadly for industries they cant help it.

 

[mokoman]

Main electronic import by value will always be ICs.
Without a fab, you will have no ICs manufactured here.
PCBs and passive components can be manufactured here though.

i think we do have fabs.

was looking to buy ddr ram , saw made in india ones on amazon - ddr3,ddr4 etc.

if you can make that , wonder why not ICs or PCBs.

Issue may be cost , cheaper to make pcbs and ics in china than here.

 

[Suryavanshi]

i think we do have fabs.

was looking to buy ddr ram , saw made in india ones on amazon - ddr3,ddr4 etc.

if you can make that , wonder why not ICs or PCBs.

Issue may be cost , cheaper to make pcbs and ics in china than here.

No bruh they do sub assembly here in Daman U are talking about Zion Ram.

ZION modules are manufactured in a state of the art SMT facility at its plant in Daman following ISO 9001: 2000 certification standards. This lead to setting new standards of quality and reliability of RAM modules in the Indian market!

Zion Ram About

www.zionram.in

 

[sorcerer]

Its not happening any time soon, probably 2030 till we have a decent foundry here.
Our Electrical imports are going down thanks to localization of mobile manufacturing and booming electrical industry, u will see imports further plummet since gov is introducing massive PLI.

There is no need for such a delay.
Even some midsize companies in Canada has the capacity to make own chips and have own foundry. Cuz they dont trust their designs with chinese that they make it all inhouse...
Sure its a nighmare to get chips and electronic parts fabricated from china without chinese compromising it.

 

[mokoman]

No bruh they do sub assembly here in Daman U are talking about Zion Ram.

Zion Ram About

www.zionram.in

product i saw was dolgix.

RAM,DRAM,Flash,CMOS,Memory Modules Manufacturer Company

Dolgix - Buy, Best 1GB,2GB,4GB,8GB,16GB LONG-DIMM LODIMM SO-DIMM UBDIMM RAM, DRAM, Flash, CMOS, memory modules manufacturer, bulk supplier, distributor, dealer trader and wholesale exporters company India Delhi/NCR. Brand Dolgix

www.dolgix.com

OM Nanotech Pvt. Ltd. manufactures memory modules and Flash products from it's state-of-art 24000 sq ft facility in NSEZ, Noida, India.

your probably right , maybe all they do is just paste the memory modules onto the board.

 

[shade]

i think we do have fabs.

was looking to buy ddr ram , saw made in india ones on amazon - ddr3,ddr4 etc.

if you can make that , wonder why not ICs or PCBs.

Issue may be cost , cheaper to make pcbs and ics in china than here.

We don't, there's literally just that SCL fab in Chandigarh that makes ICs for ISRO exclusively.
Only 3 companies in the world have 90% of world's DDR3/4 market share, Samsung, SK Hynix from Korea and Micron from America.
All the consumer RAM stick brands like corsair, g.skill and all just put the chips on a PCB and sell it to the end consumer.

DDR RAM fabrication is still high tier for a country that doesn't even have a commercial fab capable of putting out microcontroller class ICs.

Even China is struggling to run a DDR RAM fab, getting it competitive is another matter altogether.

 

[shade]

Yup still low end ICs can be given shot with gov help, the keyword here is gov help. No electronics Company here has a capital to invest 1 billion for low end ICs let alone the one used in Mobile Phones that will cost 4 billion upwards easily.
Better do things in pyramid order first the plastic, than PCB, than Battery, than peripheral component and finally IC.
Gov is in talks with chile for lithium import so we are on right track when it comes to batteries.

I am still ass mad on PSUs like BHEL and BEL, they have utterly disappointed us the same kind of PSUs China have achieved wonders. I expected these PSU to spearhead research on electrical sector but all they have done is being a sinkhole for taxpayers money.
I was ass mad when I got to know PCB printing units were imported from China, despite producing most engineers in the world most Engineering colleges don't have a PCB printing machines. Thats why our kids dont think of making anything other than quadcopter whose material is imported from china.

Indias achievement in IT is due to independence from gov interference sadly for industries they cant help it.

The objective of their PSUs there is to be competitive with domestic and foreign private firms.
The objective here is a glorified MNREGA for degree-ful "educated" folks.

Chinese Machinery like every other Chinese product is much more cheaper than other German or Japanese machines and ironically even made in India machines.
Made in India machines have an extremely small market since even the foreign Manufacturers who set up shop here have a taste in their chosen Chinese/Japanese/German/Korean machine vendors, and will not touch Indian machines with a ten foot pole atleast at the start.

Desi companies perpetually walk a tightrope funding wise and have to go with the cheapest and juzt werks equipment available.


In any case Indian machinery is one of the later goals first you need to have a large enough market for these machines, i.e factories pumping out electronics for exports.

 

[Suryavanshi]

We don't, there's literally just that SCL fab in Chandigarh that makes ICs for ISRO exclusively.
Only 3 companies in the world have 90% of world's DDR3/4 market share, Samsung, SK Hynix from Korea and Micron from America.
All the consumer RAM stick brands like corsair, g.skill and all just put the chips on a PCB and sell it to the end consumer.

DDR RAM fabrication is still high tier for a country that doesn't even have a commercial fab capable of putting out microcontroller class ICs.

Even China is struggling to run a DDR RAM fab, getting it competitive is another matter altogether.

Japan and South Korea or even China/Taiwans can single handedly attributed to Murican help.
From providing initial investmen to Initial Tech and later market was Muricas doing.
U will we suprised to know how much shares of Korean companies are owned by Muricans.

 

[Deadtrap]

Will the fuddu govt of India (irrespective of who is ruling it) ever wake up and put an inquiry regarding series of Industrial incidents in India?

Here scientists gets poisoned/mysterious death yet no concrete action.

 

[shade]

Japan and South Korea or even China/Taiwans can single handedly attributed to Murican help.
From providing initial investmen to Initial Tech and later market was Muricas doing.
U will we suprised to know how much shares of Korean companies are owned by Muricans.

The bounty of Cold War.

 

[Cruise missile]

The bounty of Cold War.

The bounty of selling their Strategic autonomy.

 

[shade]

The bounty of selling their Strategic autonomy.

Except one country

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Will the fuddu govt of India (irrespective of who is ruling it) ever wake up and put an inquiry regarding series of Industrial incidents in India?

Here scientists gets poisoned/mysterious death yet no concrete action.

Koi nai probably it's minor accident

 

[Suryavanshi]

The objective of their PSUs there is to be competitive with domestic and foreign private firms.
The objective here is a glorified MNREGA for degree-ful "educated" folks.

Chinese Machinery like every other Chinese product is much more cheaper than other German or Japanese machines and ironically even made in India machines.
Made in India machines have an extremely small market since even the foreign Manufacturers who set up shop here have a taste in their chosen Chinese/Japanese/German/Korean machine vendors, and will not touch Indian machines with a ten foot pole atleast at the start.

Desi companies perpetually walk a tightrope funding wise and have to go with the cheapest and juzt werks equipment available.


In any case Indian machinery is one of the later goals first you need to have a large enough market for these machines, i.e factories pumping out electronics for exports.

Can we look at creating Scientific organisation like DRDO in every sector?

For a 2 billion budget DRDO has achieved wonders.
Such organisation will create tech from tax payers funding and it can be licensed to Private companies on certain payment over a period of time.
ISRO a purely scientific organisation is actively participating in helping the Private sector.
We know gov can't do biz so better if they just do research.

 

[hit&run]

Will the fuddu govt of India (irrespective of who is ruling it) ever wake up and put an inquiry regarding series of Industrial incidents in India?

Here scientists gets poisoned/mysterious death yet no concrete action.

Congress-I and Chinese MoU at work. Modi has become blind, deaf and impotent.