India-China 2020 Border conflict

[FalconZero]

So it means mini 1962 happens ? Is i m wrong.

No, but chinese will get another bigger 67 if they f**k around more....for now things are dynamic with troops aggregated on both the sides.

 

[AmitG]

So it means mini 1962 happens ? Is i m wrong.

Let’s face it... doesn’t look like we have the wherewithal to take on the Chinese beyond mere tokenism. We are still under the 10 foot Chinese complex.

As per latest reports the govt is going to allow Huawei and ZTE into 5 G. Seriously? They should have been the ones to be banned first rather than some stupid apps.

 

[Indrajit]

Different cases but the intention was the same - Let me show you who is da boss. We saw how it ended for GoI.

As of today, I am not aware of any adverse report prepared by the Govt. against Huawei. Maybe there's one in the making. Maybe nothing at all.

US charged Huawei of espionage and IP theft and a ban followed. Is this enough evidence to argue our case against Huawei and justify a ban, that's my question? What if Huawei approaches SC, will US evidence be admissible in our courts? Just asking.

Courts will rarely rule against the government if national security is the clause invoked. Just like Tiktok. The government has quite a bit of leeway in this case.

 

[Knowitall]

There's Samsung. Google Pixel is also Made in China, so was most of Apple, Lenovo, HP, Dell you name it.
Motorola is owned by Lenovo too. Samsung has phones catering to all budgets. Almost all components in Apple products were made in China. How come nobody utters a word then?
Haan yaar, ghar ki murgi daal barabar.

If one can't resist the temptation of buying a 'feature' packed swanky looking Chinese company owned mobile phone like One+ or Vivo or Mi series, then one can only say you've been honey trapped. No point tweeting '#BanHuawei' from your Chinese mobile and going to bed thinking you've done your bit for the nation.

I don't have a chinese phones i was merely talking about the numbers seen in the market.

Xiaomi leads the India smartphone market with a 6% YoY growth in Q1 2020 to reach its highest ever market share since Q1 2018. Counterpoint Research released its analysis of premium smartphone shipment market share during the second quarter of 2020 in India. It revealed that OnePlus leads the market with 29 percent share with samsung and apple both behind it.

 

[Pugilist]

Courts will rarely rule against the government if national security is the clause invoked. Just like Tiktok. The government has quite a bit of leeway in this case.

Any ban of Huawei by GOI will have nothing to do with the Local courts in India.

Rather, China will promptly go to the WTO and seek a ruling there - specifically GATT Article XXI.

The WTO does not have a court or is a court. It has a committee to deal with disputes called the Disputes Settlement Body. Appeals from this body goes to a seven member committee.

Under WTO rules, countries are not allowed to discriminate against each other and reject imports from a specific country but they can seek an exemption on “national security” grounds.

In 2019, Australia banned Huawei from its 5G network rollout. China promptly went to the WTO and is putting up nasty fight.

Similarly, China will drag, US, UK, Japan etc to WTO over Huawei. I am not sure China will win but it is and will get nasty.

Maybe the GOI is taking a ‘nuanced‘ approach with Huawei.

 

[mist_consecutive]

I am expecting some more "re-arrangement" in the late Dec/Jan timeline when the heavy snow has settled and cold has immobilized the PLA.

 

[shade]

Any ban of Huawei by GOI will have nothing to do with the Local courts in India.

Rather, China will promptly go to the WTO and seek a ruling there - specifically GATT Article XXI.

The WTO does not have a court or is a court. It has a committee to deal with disputes called the Disputes Settlement Body. Appeals from this body goes to a seven member committee.

Under WTO rules, countries are not allowed to discriminate against each other and reject imports from a specific country but they can seek an exemption on “national security” grounds.

In 2019, Australia banned Huawei from its 5G network rollout. China promptly went to the WTO and is putting up nasty fight.

Similarly, China will drag, US, UK, Japan etc to WTO over Huawei. I am not sure China will win but it is and will get nasty.

Maybe the GOI is taking a ‘nuanced‘ approach with Huawei.

I was talking about the WTO matter only a page ago, but only in one line and not in so much detail.

But meri yaha kaun sunta hai, poor me, sad me

 

[DownWithCCP]

I am expecting some more "re-arrangement" in the late Dec/Jan timeline when the heavy snow has settled and cold has immobilized the PLA.

even @Hellfire was alluding to the same some months ago when the talks of long hauls through the winter was brought up, he said that it was a myth that operations could not take place in the winter and it need not be a quiet winter at all.

 

[sorcerer]

How Indian Army’s secrecy & unorthodox deployment fooled the Chinese at Pangong Tso

How Indian Army's secrecy & unorthodox deployment fooled the Chinese at Pangong Tso

The Mountain Strike Corps played a key role in shaping India’s counter-offensive strategy that led to the domination of the southern banks of the Pangong Tso.

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Sauce: The PRINT

 

[mist_consecutive]

even @Hellfire was alluding to the same some months ago when the talks of long hauls through the winter was brought up, he said that it was myth that operations could not take place in the winter and that it won't need not be a quiet winter at all.

I am generally shrouded in pessimism regarding our performance, but there are few hints of an operation in the peak of winter when the snow has settled.

I was expecting the Aug-30 operation to be happening in late Oct to Nov, but it was surprisingly early. If our military planners have an iota of strategic thinking, they need to take early action, with the advantage window closing as soon as the temperatures rise in March-April.
By next year China will get accustomed to the ways of the mountains.

 

[BabaKhalbali]

I am generally shrouded in pessimism regarding our performance, but there are few hints of an operation in the peak of winter when the snow has settled.

I was expecting the Aug-30 operation to be happening in late Oct to Nov, but it was surprisingly early. If our military planners have an iota of strategic thinking, they need to take early action, with the advantage window closing as soon as the temperatures rise in March-April.
By next year China will get accustomed to the ways of the mountains.

With people like Jeyashankar as MoEA and Rajnath as RM and the entire bureaucrats, you can forget about it

 

[mist_consecutive]

With people like Jeyashankar as MoEA and Rajnath as RM and the entire bureaucrats, you can forget about it

As I have said earlier, MoD/DM can speak as loud as the stick of the Army allows. You cannot expect MoD/DM to throw death threats to the Chinese when our army cannot deliver it to the Chinese.

 

[mokoman]

I am expecting some more "re-arrangement" in the late Dec/Jan timeline when the heavy snow has settled and cold has immobilized the PLA.

Where do you think re-arrangement should happen ?

Doesnt the winter affect us more than them. Ladakh has right now been cut off from kashmir valley for 5 days now.

I thought one reason the PLA attacked in Oct back in 1962 was winter hits us first , our passes get snowed in first.

 

[sorcerer]

China's PLA carrying out development work in Tibet; India ready for any eventuality: CDS Rawat

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/nation...ady-for-any-eventuality-cds-rawat-927351.html

 

[Jaymax61]

China's PLA carrying out development work in Tibet; India ready for any eventuality: CDS Rawat

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/nation...ady-for-any-eventuality-cds-rawat-927351.html

There will be no action on the LAC unless China starts it.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Where do you think re-arrangement should happen ?

Doesnt the winter affect us more than them. Ladakh has right now been cut off from kashmir valley for 5 days now.

I thought one reason the PLA attacked in Oct back in 1962 was winter hits us first , our passes get snowed in first.

Zojila pass is being cleared as we speak (I think already cleared if no new snowstorm). Keylong - Leh route is open, Padum - Nimo, not sure.

We have anticipated the blockage of routes, hence stocked up with rations as well as ammunition. More can be airlifted. Army engineers along with BRO will be responsible for keeping the passes open.

Regarding where re-arrangement can take place, is difficult to say, which is good, because it will be difficult for the Chinese to guess as well.

 

[johnq]

Chinese Communist Party's members have infiltrated UK firms, banks and pharmaceutical giants: Report - Times of India

China News: Amid rising concerns over China's covert intelligence gathering and surveillance activities around the world, it has been reported that Chinese Commun

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Chinese Communist Party's members have infiltrated UK firms, banks and pharmaceutical giants: Report
Amid rising concerns over China's covert intelligence gathering and surveillance activities around the world, it has been reported that Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) loyal members have been working in British consulates, universities and some of the leading UK companies.
An extraordinary leaked database of 1.95 million registered CCP members reveals how Beijing's "malign influence" now stretches into almost every corner of British life, including defence firms, banks and pharmaceutical giants, Daily Mail reported.
Most alarmingly, some of its members, who swear a solemn oath to 'guard Party secrets, be loyal to the Party, work hard, fight for communism throughout my life...and never betray the Party', are understood to have secured jobs in British consulates.
Among them is a senior official at the British Consulate in Shanghai. The official describes their role as supporting ministers and officials on visits to East China.
The database was originally said to be leaked on Telegram, the encrypted instant messaging app. It was then passed in September by a Chinese dissident to the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China, which comprises more than 150 legislators around the world who are concerned by the influence and activities of the Chinese government.
According to the report, a detailed analysis by The Mail on Sunday of the material reveals that pharmaceutical giants Pfizer and AstraZeneca - both involved in the development of coronavirus vaccines - employed a total 123 party loyalists.
The analysis also revealed that there were over 600 party members across 19 branches working at the British banks HSBC and Standard Chartered in 2016.
While there is no evidence that anyone on the party membership list has spied for China - and many sign up simply to boost their career prospects - experts say it defies credulity that some are not involved in espionage.
Responding to the findings, an alliance of 30 MPs last night said they would be tabling an urgent question about the issue in the Commons.
China has upped its espionage activities over the last few years. It has even been accused of political interference in Australia.
Recently, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo urged universities in the United States to scrutinise China's assistance and students, warning that Beijing was set on stealing innovation.
The outgoing top US diplomat made the speech during a visit to Georgia, a state with a growing Asian-American community and which next month holds two runoff elections that will determine which party controls the US Senate.
Writing in The Mail on Sunday today, former Tory Party leader Iain Duncan Smith said: "This investigation proves that members of the Chinese Communist Party are now spread around the globe, with members working for some of the world's most important multinational corporations, academic institutions and our own diplomatic services."
"The Government must now move to expel and remove any members of the Communist Party from our Consuls throughout China. They can either serve the UK or the Chinese Communist Party. They cannot do both," Smith further said.
The Foreign Office last night insisted that it has 'robust procedures in place to keep information secure and to vet staff at our overseas posts'. It is understood they are aware that they employ party members.
However, a senior Whitehall intelligence source said the revelations did raise security questions. "In that station [the official] will be sat one floor away from the MI6 team and could have identified intelligence officers."

 

[Cheran]

 

[HawkisRight]

Chinese Communist Party's members have infiltrated UK firms, banks and pharmaceutical giants: Report - Times of India

China News: Amid rising concerns over China's covert intelligence gathering and surveillance activities around the world, it has been reported that Chinese Commun

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Chinese Communist Party's members have infiltrated UK firms, banks and pharmaceutical giants: Report
Amid rising concerns over China's covert intelligence gathering and surveillance activities around the world, it has been reported that Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) loyal members have been working in British consulates, universities and some of the leading UK companies.
An extraordinary leaked database of 1.95 million registered CCP members reveals how Beijing's "malign influence" now stretches into almost every corner of British life, including defence firms, banks and pharmaceutical giants, Daily Mail reported.
Most alarmingly, some of its members, who swear a solemn oath to 'guard Party secrets, be loyal to the Party, work hard, fight for communism throughout my life...and never betray the Party', are understood to have secured jobs in British consulates.
Among them is a senior official at the British Consulate in Shanghai. The official describes their role as supporting ministers and officials on visits to East China.
The database was originally said to be leaked on Telegram, the encrypted instant messaging app. It was then passed in September by a Chinese dissident to the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China, which comprises more than 150 legislators around the world who are concerned by the influence and activities of the Chinese government.
According to the report, a detailed analysis by The Mail on Sunday of the material reveals that pharmaceutical giants Pfizer and AstraZeneca - both involved in the development of coronavirus vaccines - employed a total 123 party loyalists.
The analysis also revealed that there were over 600 party members across 19 branches working at the British banks HSBC and Standard Chartered in 2016.
While there is no evidence that anyone on the party membership list has spied for China - and many sign up simply to boost their career prospects - experts say it defies credulity that some are not involved in espionage.
Responding to the findings, an alliance of 30 MPs last night said they would be tabling an urgent question about the issue in the Commons.
China has upped its espionage activities over the last few years. It has even been accused of political interference in Australia.
Recently, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo urged universities in the United States to scrutinise China's assistance and students, warning that Beijing was set on stealing innovation.
The outgoing top US diplomat made the speech during a visit to Georgia, a state with a growing Asian-American community and which next month holds two runoff elections that will determine which party controls the US Senate.
Writing in The Mail on Sunday today, former Tory Party leader Iain Duncan Smith said: "This investigation proves that members of the Chinese Communist Party are now spread around the globe, with members working for some of the world's most important multinational corporations, academic institutions and our own diplomatic services."
"The Government must now move to expel and remove any members of the Communist Party from our Consuls throughout China. They can either serve the UK or the Chinese Communist Party. They cannot do both," Smith further said.
The Foreign Office last night insisted that it has 'robust procedures in place to keep information secure and to vet staff at our overseas posts'. It is understood they are aware that they employ party members.
However, a senior Whitehall intelligence source said the revelations did raise security questions. "In that station [the official] will be sat one floor away from the MI6 team and could have identified intelligence officers."

But why Indian media hasn't picked up dis news and detailed list of ccp agents in India has yet not in public

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

China's PLA carrying out development work in Tibet; India ready for any eventuality: CDS Rawat

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/nation...ady-for-any-eventuality-cds-rawat-927351.html

Imo dear sir , amreekans have stepped out of the global leadership role ever since the Wuhan Virus stuck the world. The trend had started earlier with donald’s amreekas first policy. It was exacerbated with the amreeki inability to deal with the Wuhan Virus, race riots unseen for a long time, preoccupation with presidential elections, and a general fogging of its global outlook and power. Suddenly the world does not have international leader. Number One is incapacitated. Number Two is the global 3 futiya villain . The international community is in choppy seas. It is also evident that amreeka alone will not have the power to stop Chinese machinations. Powerful democracies must come together to sort out the problem. An aging eu is not willing to even look at the gauntlet. There is no other option than QUAD2.0 and us taking the initiative ...QUAD2.0 has tremendous military potential. Amreeka and India have strong and experienced Armed Forces. Combined with forces of australia and Japan, it will be an overmatch for 3 futiya ****. One thing is clear. China and India will be neighbours but never friends.