India-China 2020 Border conflict

[NAMICA]

 

[Cheran]

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Yes, this is why Xi Pingpong has started the "Made in China 2025" and "Dual Circulation" schemes.

"Dual Circulation" means pushing for a larger domestic consooma market for everything, reducing dependence on exports oriented economy.

"Made in China 2025" is for producing high tech manufactured items, semiconductors, jet engines, air planes, machines etc, which are high capex, high R&D and less labor intensive compared to what they produce today, these categories above are what developed countries export like Anglosphere, EU, Japan, Korea, Taiwan etc.

Currently their other unspoken scheme is to offshore labour intensive electronics assembly, plastic items, production to ASEAN countries, and offshore clothes and shoe manufacture to African countries( mainly Ethiopia for now ).

All of your posts makes sense but decline of an aging china will be accelerated by lack of international trust. Fat jinping knows this. That is why he has now written to Global CEOs to say that fundamentals of China’s long term growth will not change. I dont know whos gonna trust them now ? Add to this , all nations like japan south korea and dozen other are not in a mood to let south china sea slip away to chinese. And entire campagin against huwei which was original part of made in china superpower doctrine lulz .

And finally , If Galwan action had gone their way, china’s aim would have been achieved by now. However, that was not to be. We our armed forces stood up and inflicted a bloody nose. China has realized that it has miscalculated and severly under estimated our response as a result its superpower ambitions are at stake. It started talking peace. Now we must not step back .Infact the time has come to fully support democratic movements in Tibet, xinjiang, Hong Kong and Taiwan.

Chinese products are low margin and China requires lots of scale. Also because the Chinese steal intellectual property, no American company locates cutting edge software companies in China. For example, Google or Oracle wont let their software code be shipped to China. Indian companies are more trusted and engineers work on cutting edge AI technologies in Google, Microsoft, Amazon etc in India. The key skills are there. In manufacturing, it is a question of intent and scale and we can do that if we remove the red tapism and the babus. In another 50 years, India will pull ahead of China if our governments can get their act together. It is a big if but it is in the realms of possibility.

Tbh we must keep the temperature high in Ladakh. Our brave men have tied down three Chinese divisions and some amount of his mechanized and air resources. This will make it difficult for chainese to create too much threat elsewhere. Hence many countries will be eternally grateful to us and acknowledge the valor of our brave armed forces .

 

[patriots]

Many have doubts ...what will happen if India china war happens
Will the larger drone force of china will destroy indian tanks and ads.....
Azerbaijan was able to destroy many Russian tanks and ads with drones

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars Another BIG PUSH by GOI to Boost Connectivity and Infrastructure along Indo-China Border Allocates 12434.9 Crore Rs for 32 Strategically important Roads near LAC and IB.

 

[johnq]

Many have doubts ...what will happen if India china war happens
Will the larger drone force of china will destroy indian tanks and ads.....
Azerbaijan was able to destroy many Russian tanks and ads with drones

Not a fair comparison. India's Elint/ECM, early detection and air defence network capabilities are far superior, plus it has been dealing with barrages of Pakistani artillery for a while now. Drones can still be jammed and shot down by missiles, AAA once you know they are coming. India is prepared for the threat.

 

[ezsasa]

Not a fair comparison. India's Elint/ECM, early detection and air defence network capabilities are far superior, plus it has been dealing with barrages of Pakistani artillery for a while now. Drones can still be jammed and shot down by missiles, AAA once you know they are coming. India is prepared for the threat.

but it can’t be denied that Russian AD systems need to be replaced. Top to bottom, everything is Russian as of now.

DRDO’s next focus area seems to be presenting itself to them.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

but it can’t be denied that Russian AD systems need to be replaced. Top to bottom, everything is Russian as of now.

DRDO’s next focus area seems to be presenting itself to them.

Yup.. mainly because they cant be upgraded as and when new threats manifest themselves.. For our own ad system like Akash or qrsam, we can upgrade them to say deal with slow moving, small radar cross section targets .. or some other new threat in the future.. And smaller slow moving drones are difficult to distinguish from birds, especially near air bases in populated areas.. Fortunately in ladakh.. its barren, and we can shoot anything that flies, which is not our own.

 

[Deadtrap]

 

[johnq]

but it can’t be denied that Russian AD systems need to be replaced. Top to bottom, everything is Russian as of now.

DRDO’s next focus area seems to be presenting itself to them.

It's all happening pretty fast, on a wartime footing. Plus all new systems including quick reaction missiles are moving to active radars and becoming part of a massive network that includes air and space assets. There are other next generation capabilities being worked on as well, which are capable of completely neutralizing threats from drones and missiles.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars dont forget this specially The Mlecchas.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Many have doubts ...what will happen if India china war happens
Will the larger drone force of china will destroy indian tanks and ads.....
Azerbaijan was able to destroy many Russian tanks and ads with drones

As he said, the game changers were Azeri Harop Kamikaze drones and the rest were exposed to Bayraktar drones. We do have Harop and Harpy in huge numbers but nothing like Bayraktar...

Look what destruction a few Bayraktar TB-2s did to Armenia after their main air defences were taken out by Harops. This shows how effective drones are...
click on watch on youtube as it is age restricted.

 

[SavageKing456]

As he said, the game changers were Azeri Harop Kamikaze drones and the rest were exposed to Bayraktar drones. We do have Harop and Harpy in huge numbers but nothing like Bayraktar...

Look what destruction a few Bayraktar TB-2s did to Armenia after their main air defences were taken out by Harops. This shows how effective drones are...
click on watch on youtube as it is age restricted.

We will upgrade heron drone and that will be enough,along with harpy(just produce them in large numbers) while Tapas is being developed along with Ghatak UCAVs and that changes the game.

 

[FalconSlayers]

We will upgrade heron drone and that will be enough,along with harpy(just produce them in large numbers) while Tapas is being developed along with Ghatak UCAVs and that changes the game.

UCAVs are deadly once you achieve complete/partial air dominance. It becomes a killing machine. Plus we should install active protection systems on our tanks to counter incoming projectiles.

 

[SavageKing456]

UCAVs are deadly once you achieve complete/partial air dominance. It becomes a killing machine. Plus we should install active protection systems on our tanks to counter incoming projectiles.

Any information about HAL loyal wingman?

 

[FalconSlayers]

Any information about HAL loyal wingman?

Pehle Rustom-II toh ban jaaye.
Yaar porkis have Burraq. Why don’t we make a UCAV version of Rustom-I?
both Burraq and Rustom-I have same design.

Rustom-I could have been a good UAV but IAF isn’t using it.

 

[mokoman]

Interesting tool to detect military radars.

5Ghz Interference Tracker

orbtwz.users.earthengine.app

zoom into a location , punch in dates on left side , click update , wait a bit for data to load
area where there is a radar will have spaced red/blue bars (like image i posted below)

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Looked near ladakh and found radar pattern 250km east of chushul, this maybe?/was a location for PLA mobile radar.

lat: 33.59 , long 81.36

pattern was only there for about 2 weeks.

if you punch in recent dates , you can spot several sites , could be PLA radars.

even the radar station @Haldilal talked about can been spotted this way.

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An OSINT dude picked up our swathi radar in kashmir using same technique

Army kept moving and he finally figured out one of the locations.

Really good read.

Tracking Sentinel-1 Interference in Kashmir

A Mostly Unsuccessful Endeavor

actualcontrol.substack.com

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amazing the crap you can find for free online

 

[Haldilal]

Interesting tool to detect military radars.

5Ghz Interference Tracker

orbtwz.users.earthengine.app

zoom into a location , punch in dates on left side , click update , wait a bit for data to load
area where there is a radar will have spaced red/blue bars (like image i posted below)

--------------------

Looked near ladakh and found radar pattern 250km east of chushul, this maybe?/was a location for PLA mobile radar.

lat: 33.59 , long 81.36

pattern was only there for about 2 weeks.



if you punch in recent dates , you can spot several sites , could be PLA radars.

even the radar station @Haldilal talked about can been spotted this way.

---------------------

An OSINT dude picked up our swathi radar in kashmir using same technique

Army kept moving and he finally figured out one of the locations.

Really good read.

Tracking Sentinel-1 Interference in Kashmir

A Mostly Unsuccessful Endeavor

actualcontrol.substack.com

---------------------

amazing the crap you can find for free online

Yeah I found few more.

 

[Suhaldev]

Airbnb defends sharing user data with China after top executive resigns

Airbnb top executive reveals that company shares user details like phone number, email ID, chat messages etc with the Chinese govt

www.opindia.com

 

[johnq]

To be fair he did mention some soft kill options towards the end that will neutralize drone swarms. But the next generation stuff that is coming up (even with DRDO) is going to be a gamechanger for defence against drones and missiles.