India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars Khairat me mila hua.

 

[FGFAPilot1]

Big Blow to China, Indian Smart Phone brand MicroMax brought 2 new smartphones enough to destroy chinese phone market!

only downfall is that it comes with a chinese MediaTek processor, I mean ₹500 extra for a qualcomm processor would‘ve been appreciated.

but still it’ll destroy the chinese market here but then there are brands like Xiaomi which are ready to reduce the profit margin a bot further, I guess Indian Government should impose higher import duties on smartphone components that are mostly used by chinese phone makers, but then these brands have invested more than 14 billion dollars in India, if they will go then it will be a huge blow to us.

Doesn't look that bad, 5000 mah battery for 11K, pretty good!

 

[Deadtrap]

Except for the 43,000 sq Kms in Aksai Chin that Nehru gifted on a silver platter to China, no defined Indian territory is in Chinese occupation at present. The only area physically occupied by the PLA is between Finger 4 and Finger 8 that is approx 32 sq km. They had built a road to Finger 4 from Sirijap when Indian troops/ITBP were withdrawn from the area in 1999 for the Kargil ops.

Now, the area between these fingers 4 and 8 is 'no man's' land as there is no defined international border marked there nor an accepted LAC. The Chinese 'Claim Line' is up to Finger 4 while our 'Claim Line' is up to Finger 8. These can be referred to as 'perceptions' of the LAC by both countries.

But then, looking at the larger picture, China is in illegal occupation of the entire Akksai Chin area up to the Johnson line. This is part of Ladakh but the Chinese claim it to be part of Tibet.

Seriously I am done of giving this same reason to everyone I try to counter. Fact is the area of what we consider as our own on Military map has been reduced. Frankly we cannot just blame "Area of differing perception" everytime because AoDP exist only for us. It's advantageous to the Chinese because their claim is always to the west of AoDP. We lose ground everytime, All hail to AoDP.
God forbid but if tomorrow we lose Chumur area where dispute is of 30-40sq km we will again blame AoDP.

IA / ITBP buildup in depsang since last year , the passing road is DBO

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i think this is near y junction

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Media says there is large PLA presence near Y junction but i cant see to find anything.

Meanwhile everyone in the PLA , their aunty neighour and familiy is moving into south bank of spangur lake

Second GIF is from Burtse OP, Its a ITBP camp. Y Junction is further East to Burtse. Even i have not seen any changes on ground near Y Junction. Its mostly Chinese Surveillance equipment on some mountain top looking for our troops when they cross Y Junction.
If i recall an article in Indian Express some "sources" said that there is no PLA presence near Y Junction. If our troops want they can go for patrolling to the respective PP but currently it is being avoided by Indian Troops due not increase in tension.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Fuck even if China is making copied stuff, wtf are we making?
China has unveiled its latest WingLoong-10 UCAV!!!

Looks like American Avenger drone, who tf are giving them access to such American Military data and hardware that they make such copies?

Avenger drone

And we planned to buy 100 Avenger drones but our Babus did nothing to bring the deal to negotiation at least.

India eyes $8 bn deal for 100 Avenger Predator drones with US for IAF

The estimated requirement of IAF is for 100 drones, sources said, adding that if a deal — most likely with San Diego-headquartered General Atomics — goes through, its size could be around $8 billion.

www.financialexpress.com

 

[shade]

Fuck even if China is making copied stuff, wtf are we making?

Kickbacks, bribes, commissions, monthly paycheck, bonuses, etc.
Some warships and subs are already being built, if that's any consolation.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Our UAV program was and is limited to only Rustom-II and Ghatak and Wingman, it won’t help we need to make our long range and a variety of drones, I hope Government considers buying various drones by L&T and other private players ASAP.

 

[shade]

Our UAV program was and is limited to only Rustom-II and Ghatak and Wingman, it won’t help we need to make our long range and a variety of drones, I hope Government considers buying various drones by L&T and other private players ASAP.

UAV is the least of our issues rn, Tejas, LCH, various missiles, Arjun MBT, the progam they run for IFV/APC to replace BMP2, and Kestrel/WhAP was the candidate, all are stuck because of both the import dalal deep state and the incompetence of DPSUs

They even want cold weather gear to be imported.

No wonder Modiji, Ninda Turtle etc doing koi nahi ghussa.
With no MIC you can't expect to fight LARGEST ECONOMY SUPA POWA NUMBA WAN.


I really wonder what black magic tona totka has been done on the Navy/Ships side, submarine, corvette, frigate, destroyer, carrier all have make in India alternatives.

Only Army, AF have this thirst for imported maal at any cost.

 

[Vishalreddy3]

 

[shade]

>Asia Times.

Meme source.

 

[Vishalreddy3]

>Asia Times.

Meme source.

I hope its not a meme though!! I really want F/A 18 deal to go through!

 

[FalconZero]

F18 deal is a real possibility tbh. India will proly go for F18 for navy and IF they have anymore more money 36 more rafales. Other than that would be stupid. TEDBF is still just a daydream, navy is looking for IAC-2 for that TEDBF can be great option later maybe ORCA for IAF...
By F18 deal we can keep USA/IN both happy, though hvt said that current naval mig29 fleet is enough for INS Vikrant but let's see.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Russia Ties Intact But China Challenge Boosting India-U.S. Partnership

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  Surya Gangadharan
  

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo (centre) and U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper (left) called on Prime Minister Narendra Modi in New Delhi on October 27. (Photo: pmindia.gov.in)
NEW DELHI: The annual Modi-Putin summit looks increasingly unlikely, given the pandemic. It is Putin’s turn to visit but the Russian leader is rarely known to step outside his Kremlin residence and it seems most of his meetings are virtual affairs. Given that, there could be a bit of a risk for Putin to fly out to India for a summit when the virus continues to surge.
A virtual summit, while convenient and safe, may not enable the kind of frank exchange of ideas. As an Indian diplomat pointed out: “There’s only so much possible during a virtual summit and much may remain unsaid.”
Putin may have sought a briefing from Modi on the India-U.S. 2+2 dialogue. That summit is seen as having pushed forward the bilateral relationship, with the agreement on geospatial cooperation, BECA, opening the doors to a major qualitative expansion of the India-U.S. strategic military relationship.
This could imply a dilution of the India-Russia relationship at a time when Moscow leans on China to take on the United States. Indian diplomats may say that is not the case: Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, a nuclear weapons power and a major source of energy and strategic technologies, so India does not see any lessening of Russia’s importance.
India continues to remain dependent to the extent of about 50-60 per cent on Russian military equipment. “There is a kind of appropriateness of Russian weaponry when you consider terrain and warfare conditions,” says P S Raghavan, former ambassador to Moscow. “If we delink from Russia, what happens to all that legacy equipment?”
Defence Minister Rajnath Singh met Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov in Moscow in June and discussed ways to expand defence cooperation. (Photo: @rajnathsingh)
Deals continue to be made for military equipment. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has already made two visits to Moscow (in June and September), wish lists in hand. The precise content of those lists is not known but sources told StratNews Global it would have been about making up shortfalls in certain types of ammunition and replenishing other stocks.
There’s speculation about India’s interest in the Russian Sprut light tank for use in the Himalayas. Currently, the T-90 and T-72 tanks are deployed there but these are deemed too heavy for that terrain. Only limited numbers may be acquired since the DRDO has apparently been given the green light to come up with a light tank design based on the BMP chassis.
There’s no clarity on two projects: differences over making the AK-203 rifle in a joint venture in Uttar Pradesh are still to be resolved. Clarity is also required on the plan to build the Kamov-226T helicopter in India. Both projects appear mired over the indigenous content and the cost. In the case of the former project, local lobbies also appear to have got into the act, questioning the need for it when ‘atmanirbhar’ (self-reliance) is all about investing in local strengths.
“The energy relationship is doing well as we are buying more oil from Russia,” says Raghavan. “We have contracted to buy up to two million tonnes this year alone.” A long-term agreement on oil is expected to be signed this year.
Nevertheless, Russia is a declining power, defeated in the Cold War by the U.S. and now playing second fiddle to China’s $13 trillion economy. It cannot provide the kind of strategic leverage to take on Beijing that a partnership with the U.S. gives India.

why does India have to keep mentioning Russia??? Russia does not mention India when
they choose to be on the Chinese side??

 

[shade]

why does India have to keep mentioning Russia??? Russia does not mention India when
they choose to be on the Chinese side??

Russia has also brown shill authors here lol.
Along with lobbies for defence purchases.
It has been since the Indira G era KGB infiltration, not at those day's levels though, but it still exists.

 

[Deadtrap]

Let's see. What will be the outcome. Little hope.

 

[FGFAPilot1]

Let's see. What will be the outcome. Little hope.

Are we buying time or wasting it?

 

[shade]

Are we buying time or wasting it?

Wasting.
A century worth of pages ago some guy said that winter has set in in that region, so hopefully no fire works till Feb-March next year.

 

[NAMICA]

Are we buying time or wasting it?

Both

 

[DefenceHub.live]

China Deploys New Armored Assault Vehicles in Border with India

Armored Assault Vehicles_Dongfeng Mengshi

A new-generation of assault vehicles have been commissioned into the People's Liberation Army (PLA) border defense troops under the PLA Tibet Military Command which is assigned to guard the country’s border with India.
The vehicles will give PLA troops operating in high altitude regions high mobility, winning them advantages in stamina and time, Global Times reported on Tuesday.
The vehicles are the third-generation Dongfeng Mengshi off-road tactical armored vehicles, it said quoting a China Central Television (CCTV) report.
The vehicles are said to be third-generation Dongfeng Mengshi vehicle seen operating by the PLA border defense troops stationed in the northern slope of the Himalayas, where the oxygen level is less than 40 percent of that in lower altitudes.
The third-generation Dongfeng Mengshi is larger, more heavily armored and equipped with a more powerful engine, compared to earlier generations of the same vehicle, that gives it higher mobility even when operation in plateau regions, the reports said.
The Dongfeng Mengshi vehicles can be equipped with heavy machine guns and rockets launchers, giving the troops strong firepower together with high mobility, the expert said.

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From India Perspective

India - China Border Conflict Archive

More than 70 days have passed since the deadliest clash in half a century along China’s Himalayan border with India, and Beijing has yet to reveal the number of its casualties. China’s defence ministry admitted there had been Chinese casualties during violent brawls on June 15 in Galwan Valley...

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[FalconZero]

China Deploys New Armored Assault Vehicles in Border with India

Armored Assault Vehicles_Dongfeng Mengshi

A new-generation of assault vehicles have been commissioned into the People's Liberation Army (PLA) border defense troops under the PLA Tibet Military Command which is assigned to guard the country’s border with India.
The vehicles will give PLA troops operating in high altitude regions high mobility, winning them advantages in stamina and time, Global Times reported on Tuesday.
The vehicles are the third-generation Dongfeng Mengshi off-road tactical armored vehicles, it said quoting a China Central Television (CCTV) report.
The vehicles are said to be third-generation Dongfeng Mengshi vehicle seen operating by the PLA border defense troops stationed in the northern slope of the Himalayas, where the oxygen level is less than 40 percent of that in lower altitudes.
The third-generation Dongfeng Mengshi is larger, more heavily armored and equipped with a more powerful engine, compared to earlier generations of the same vehicle, that gives it higher mobility even when operation in plateau regions, the reports said.
The Dongfeng Mengshi vehicles can be equipped with heavy machine guns and rockets launchers, giving the troops strong firepower together with high mobility, the expert said.

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Only chinkis will talk about stamina and time of vehicle since their sissies soldiers fall like deck of cards at such altitudes.