India-China 2020 Border conflict

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Many Indians in the comment section is thinking that Pakistan is finally waking up... :facepalm:

They couldn't be more wrong. It's surely a publicity stunt by Bajwa & co to show the opposition that Imrand has got a spine & he is not selling the country at the price of stray donkeys..:megusta:

will have to wait and see if the Chinese funds will be re-routed thru turkey or Qatar or may be even UK.
 

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Many of India's problems seem to be that we believe in playing finite games while our opponents play infinite games. Islamic fundamentalism is an infinite game, it cannot be solved with any kinds of appeasements in any country. Also appeasement fails the value filter the above TED video mentions and hence is not solving any of the issues we faced.

Revocation of article 370 can be seen as renewing the infinite game with Pakistan and China. It signals to the opponent (both internal and external) that our will to fight is alive and kicking. Dovals recent comments are a similar signal. The recent announcement that any Indian can buy land in J&K is a similar signal. These signals need to be sent continuously and are being sent continuously.
 

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Many of India's problems seem to be that we believe in playing finite games while our opponents play infinite games. Islamic fundamentalism is an infinite game, it cannot be solved with any kinds of appeasements in any country. Also appeasement fails the value filter the above TED video mentions and hence is not solving any of the issues we faced.

Revocation of article 370 can be seen as renewing the infinite game with Pakistan and China. It signals to the opponent (both internal and external) that our will to fight is alive and kicking. Dovals recent comments are a similar signal. The recent announcement that any Indian can buy land in J&K is a similar signal. These signals need to be sent continuously and are being sent continuously.
Tell me few requisite to play the infinite game and let us tell if Hindus have been playing the same or not.
 

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Tell me few requisite to play the infinite game and let us tell if Hindus have been playing the same or not.
The main requisite is the willingness to play the infinite game. Of course resources are needed but resources are of no use if the ideology and will to play the game are not there.

Hindus have been playing it over 1000 years. Islamic rule had been pushed back by the Maratha and Sikh empires and the job would have been completed if not for the British. The fact that Hindu civilization still exists when all others disappeared means we have played the game well.

Post independence there have been many stumbles have been agreeing to a half-baked partition, taking no action against China in Tibet and near misses such as the stupid move to give up Siachen (which thankfully did not materialize).

We are now back to playing the game and are playing it well. At Doklam, Balakot etc we batted on the front foot. There are still some gaps here and there but hopefully those will be plugged soon.
 

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Pompeo effect.
Ironic they cry when US pokes its nose into this "bilateral" issue, but has no problems when the Chinese themselves interfere in Indo-Pakistan issues on Paki's side.
 

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I showhow have a feeling that even after US warns GOI about china buildup, Modi let them amass there to..
boost defense procurement
Give CO more powers
manage DRDO, OFB etc...with IRON hand
corporatization of OFB
LAC round the clock active management
streamline MOD and MEA
etc.
etc.

just a feeling.... GOI can not be that stupid, may be it is by design to fulfill certain objective which otherwise difficult to achieve with haramkhor oppsition and librands and sarkari babu giri
 

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Check out recent sat images .

:hmm: they are building a road network from existing ?asphalt road on south banks of spangur lake , all the way to base of black top.

The old road they are connecting it to , is labelled as S301 on maps

looks like they are working fast like BRO , trying to get it completed before winter sets in .
 

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Very generic answer.

Hindus have been playing infinite games but our strategy has been defense, which is not very effective.

Why we are playing defensive games has its roots in our inability to transfer power from one custodian to the next.

With this constitutional democracy experiment we have so far done slightly better but the way this system has been compromised as recumbent political parties have turned hostile to our civilizational and Hindu foundations. The same vulnerability of transferring the power to an institute which should only tweak itself to dispense social well-being but remains steadfast and uncompromising on sustaining and proliferating civilizational continuity.

Fighting infinite war is intrinsic to our DNA but we need to sit down and work on this vulnerability. I won't mind it can be done out of the current constitutional arrangement or by creating a quasi constitutional institution to organizing Hindus as one unit. One of the step for example will be to take control of all our temples.

So far political Hindu consolidation has been our savior but it has failed to work at regional power holding. And again it is quite unpredictable and Hindu can be dissuaded with ’n’ numbers of distractions.
This strategy of defense is quite recent and a consequence of M.K. Gandhi's non-violence approach. Both the Marathas and Sikhs had a active forward policy. In fact it was the Dogra Gulab Singh's annexation of Kashmir that secured it for India.

You are right in that the vulnerability of Hindus has been the inability to transcend differences and keep a Hindu friendly party in power all the time, especially at state level. What we see in Maharashtra today is a great example of this. A corollary is that any dynastic party will always compromise Hindu interests in the interests of staying in power - so rooting out dynastic parties is a must.

You are also right that control of temples by Hindus is fundamental, there is too much control with state governments right now. Principal economic advisor Sanjeev Sanyal has often spoken about how temples played a huge part in not only sustaining Indian civilization at a cultural level but also financed trade and kept the economy going. This is one of the gaps that needs to be plugged quickly.
 

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Check out recent sat images .

:hmm: they are building a road network from existing ?asphalt road on south banks of spangur lake , all the way to base of black top.

The old road they are connecting it to , is labelled as S301 on maps



looks like they are working fast like BRO , trying to get it completed before winter sets in .
This seems like a way to circumvent another path away from our LoS. The moment Rezang La/Magar hills were compromised, the whole Moldo Garrison and the south bank road of Spanggur Tso lake were under our direct LoS all the time.

So China is counting the possibility of India choking upon the south bank road to Moldo.
 

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Survival cannot be the sole objective of this infinite game when facing internal and external adversity, playing the survival game is one step closer to extinction. in our case we are already seeing the signs of extinction.

Themes for revival needs to be explored, i don't think hinduism as an umbrella is gonna cut it. i say Dharma should be the flag under which attempts to unify should be made, just like it was done many millennia ago. the term Hindu itself is of foreign origin. if vedas themselves never contained the word "Hindu", and it didn't exist when various cultures with in this land mass were brought under the Dharmic fold, why would such a artificial foriegn construct work now.

I say Dharma is the key, the dichotomy we see today is precisely because people are focussing on the wrong fundamental. Rules to protect and propagate dharma exist, where none exist for Hindusm.
Yes survival cannot be the sole objective, it can only be the first objective. Yes Sanatana Dharma is the key.

As Nassim Taleb points out in his book "Anti-fragile", the longer something has been around, the more robust it is. In a way Hinduism is quite robust. But the systems that sustained it have to be renewed and refreshed. Temple control is one of them, state governments have quite freely used temple money to bankroll their secular schemes.

But the Internet and mobile phones have opened up lots of other donation avenues. For eg. Rs 25 lakhs was collected in no time for the family of the pujari who was killed in Rajasthan. These kind of efforts will go a long way in sustaining Hinduism because these are decentralized and remove the government from meddling and mediating.
 

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Survival cannot be the sole objective of this infinite game when facing internal and external adversity, playing the survival game is one step closer to extinction. in our case we are already seeing the signs of extinction.

Themes for revival needs to be explored, i don't think hinduism as an umbrella is gonna cut it. i say Dharma should be the flag under which attempts to unify should be made, just like it was done many millennia ago. the term Hindu itself is of foreign origin. if vedas themselves never contained the word "Hindu", and it didn't exist when various cultures with in this land mass were brought under the Dharmic fold, why would such a artificial foriegn construct work now.

I say Dharma is the key, the dichotomy we see today is precisely because people are focussing on the wrong fundamental. Rules to protect and propagate dharma exist, where none exist for Hindusm.
Dharma is a very heavy concept. We need an illustrative idea which does not fall or implodes due to it's own weight. Origins of the word doesn't matter anymore. This stiffness has to go on organizational level.
 

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Check out recent sat images .

:hmm: they are building a road network from existing ?asphalt road on south banks of spangur lake , all the way to base of black top.

The old road they are connecting it to , is labelled as S301 on maps



looks like they are working fast like BRO , trying to get it completed before winter sets in .
Makes no sense. The whole area is a like a funnel with several choke points. Target rich environment for the Air power.
 

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The US is upping the game

Let me play the devil's advocate here.

Recently I read about US and Maldives military cooperation talks and US planning to set up a base in sri lanka.

Now all this might seem very good right now but we need to thing long term. This might end up being counter-productive in the future.

2-3 saal se aage bhi dekhna chahiye.

US is a superpower and they are not interested in a multi-polar world. When the time comes they will throw us under the bus too.

We must not get too comfy with them.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars please someone inform the The Ghotala Times that Gen Dong has killed the Xi Jin Ping Nibba and renamed PRC as Dongrila. :troll:
Soam Soam Soam Soam Soam Soam. :hehe:
Aur Dong kabhi wrong nahi hota. :cowboy:
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