India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Rudra7678]

You need to read up on second world war and how USSR fought. You need to learn about how USA helped USSR though lend and lease.

Lend Lease only accounted for 14% of total war time production for USSR. The real lend lease came in the latter half of 1943, when major battles (Kursk/Stalingrad) had be won and the Wehrmacht was on retreat. Lend lease though helpful, was not critical at all.

EDIT: Not all lend lease reached USSR (which was not the original intended recipient for it), a lot of shipment was lost at sea.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

No, landing a warplane without there being any occasion (eg: a formal bilateral military exercise), is unusual. The P8 landing was possibly the first "casual" landing of a US military asset on Indian soil since 1947. It was the first major use of LEMOA for an air asset.

So far the chicom/paki calculation has been "LEMOA is a bluff, India will never allow US warplanes on its soil, the Indian political opposition would burn the ruling party at the stake for it."

That calculation has been busted.

As I said in my earlier post, it is a good signal as regards to the direction of Indo-US military ties, but in no way indicates that the US will shed blood for India in a conflict with China. Yes, the US will provide intelligence and help with ammo. But, it would be India that would pay the price for getting its expectations wrong. And setting the right expectations is what IAF chief has done..

 

[AZTEC]

IL-76 गजराज
Ladakh, 2020
Marvellous

Credit: Deb Rana

 

[JBH22]

IL-76 गजराज
Ladakh, 2020
Marvellous
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Credit: Deb Rana

Any indication on their replacement timeline?
C17 production line is closed

 

[Rohan Naik]

Humare RaGa ke liye do pyaare sabd plz...

RaGaNdMaRa

 

[Deadtrap]

They are continuing building up . on south bank Spanggur Tso . from sept 11 - oct 1

Preparations for coming winter/war

Any idea what those white structures coming up are ? living spaces ? , they are about 35m sqr

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What's the exact coordinates?

 

[mist_consecutive]

Any indication on their replacement timeline?
C17 production line is closed

If only we could revive the C-17 production line, maybe something like an order of ~20 or more Globemasters, and replace our aging IL-76 fleet.

The incoming of C17s has completely changed our airlifting game.

 

[tarunraju]

If only we could revive the C-17 production line, maybe something like an order of ~20 or more Globemasters, and replace our aging IL-76 fleet.

The incoming of C17s has completely changed our airlifting game.

I think it's cheaper to negotiate with Pentagon for sale of a handful second-hand USAF C-17s than to lobby with Boeing for a new production run. The Americans have 220 in their inventory.

 

[Poseidon]

Friends and brothers, please comment on this development:

Pakistan's naval buildup is quite concerning.

I know that I will get some flak for saying this but this buildup of sorts of Pakistan Navy is quite concerning. This is what Pak Navy chief said today->> > 4 x Type-054AP frigates under construction (delivery 2021-23) > 4 x MILGEM ships under construction (del 2023-25) > 1 x Jinnah-class...

defenceforumindia.com

 

[mist_consecutive]

I think it's cheaper to negotiate with Pentagon for sale of a handful second-hand USAF C-17s than to lobby with Boeing for a new production run. The Americans have 220 in their inventory.

I think we tried, they only agreed to sell one more to us. Also if I remember, both C17 and C130s come with some pre-installed hardware & software for Indian needs, like IFFs and datalink.

 

[AZTEC]

Any indication on their replacement timeline?
C17 production line is closed

Not sure as of now AFAIK. The fleet is actually being upgraded.

But IL-76 is currently performing a crucial role in logistically supporting our forward deployed forces.

 

[mokoman]

What's the exact coordinates?

lat=33.50536
lng=78.95838

Rutog, China Oct 06, 2020 on EOSDA LandViewer

Sentinel-2B satellite imagery. Natural Color(B04, B03, B02)

eos.com

 

[tarunraju]

I think we tried, they only agreed to sell one more to us. Also if I remember, both C17 and C130s come with some pre-installed hardware & software for Indian needs, like IFFs and datalink.

Circumstances have changed, also, scrubbing the aircraft of classified hardware and installing India-specific hardware probably takes a week in a hangar (if the India-specific hardware is ready to install).

 

[Godhimself]

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[garg_bharat]

IAF chief was right.. He was setting the right expectations in a public that faces a possible war against China, in the near future, and was responding to a question whether the US B-2s in Diego Garcia are to deter China in Ladakh. It is better to squash unrealistic expectations before they take hold.
The fact remains that in a India China border war, given that we are not an alliance partner of the US, there is no way that those B-2s will do anything more than decorate the tarmac in Deigo Garcia.

The reasons for B2 deployment in Diego Garcia may not be for India; but a diplomatic answer is better. Keep your enemy guessing.

I see China's threats to India increasing in the near future as our Pundits shoot themselves in the foot. While Pompeo talks in favour of India; our own Chief denies any collaboration.

 

[Knowitall]

If only we could revive the C-17 production line, maybe something like an order of ~20 or more Globemasters, and replace our aging IL-76 fleet.

The incoming of C17s has completely changed our airlifting game.

From what i have read the factory has been closed and that area in long Beach has been sold.

Recently under the new airforce requirements the US airforce stated that it would need more transport jets in the coming years.

But two years have already passed and nothing more has been said about it.

Getting more c-17 from US is impossible as they themselves are planning to reintroduce some of the c-17 that they retired back in 2012 to shore up the numbers.

Maybe we could ask qatar?

 

[BlackViking]

What are the views of forum members on this?

 

[fire starter]

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What are the views of forum members on this?

It's the latest carbine being offered by OFB.

 

[shade]

From what i have read the factory has been closed and that area in long Beach has been sold.

Recently under the new airforce requirements the US airforce stated that it would need more transport jets in the coming years.

But two years have already passed and nothing more has been said about it.

Getting more c-17 from US is impossible as they themselves are planning to reintroduce some of the c-17 that they retired back in 2012 to shore up the numbers.

Maybe we could ask qatar?

Anti India country, they are against the other Gulf Arabs and support Turkey and Pakistan over a host of issues, and also take the Paki position on Kashmir.
Qatari owned Al-Jizzeera regularly puts out anti Indian hitpieces.

 

[FalconZero]

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What are the views of forum members on this?

I hope we also, look into SSS defense and PLR systems maybe.