India-China 2020 Border conflict

[FalconZero]

 

[DownWithCCP]

Surprise meeting.

 

[cereal killer]

Man these can be effective against Chinese HQ-9 system & S300 even

 

[tarunraju]

Hello Noodles...


The BrahMos missile featuring indigenous booster (and airframe section along with many other ‘Made in India’ sub-systems) was successfully flight tested today; this Land-Attack Cruise Missile (LACM) was cruising at a top speed of Mach 2.8.

 

[FalconZero]

Hello Noodles...

OT but what's the actual range of the missile, I mean public one, some are saying 400km some are saying 500km...lots of confusion. It is Bramhos ER right?

 

[JBH22]

Man these can be effective against Chinese HQ-9 system & S300 even

Nothing surprising S300 meant to take down mostly planes. Handheld UAV can slip through the net. Hence Russian emphasis on IADS S300 has to be deployed with complementary systems such as planes, guns like Tunguska or Pantsir

 

[cereal killer]

Nothing surprising S300 meant to take down mostly planes. Handheld UAV can slip through the net. Hence Russian emphasis on IADS S300 has to be deployed with complementary systems such as planes, guns like Tunguska or Pantsir

Yes but we need to be careful from these same tactics by our enemies as well . I hope our military planners are watching this conflict closely.

 

[garg_bharat]

Do you see Xi making any statements? That's what leaders do. Modi has given good enough statements still.
Indian defence posture is designed for defensive approach. The only time we went aggressive was in 1965.. When entire J&K was in threat.

At the moment it is clear that we will not fire the first shot but we will prepare for everything. However If Chinese don't go back expect this to be the new LoC. With China gaining F4-F8 & we gaining heights over Spanggur gap.
Depsang will turn into a grey zone of sorts.

Our situation is not same as China. China is a one party State. All voices are aligned in China.

I am fine with Modi keeping silent. Of course some people are getting impatient (and not only in opposition). Staying put in Ladakh is costly, though the experience will help in future.

I think India should assume war is imminent and prepare accordingly. India has never mobilized like many other countries do in previous wars. It is time to think in that direction; when not only military but civilian resources are used for war.

Large cities and defence installations should prepare for air raids.

 

[Bhadra]

There is no denying that Pakistan's stance on Kashmir will be weakened by this move of adding GB as its fifth province. Indian claim on J&K will be more strengthened. But I think Pakis now definately know that Kashmir can only be taken by force now with obvious help from China.. UN plebiscite is basically a pipe dream for them & will never happen.
Those 3-4 countries that are backing Pakistan will continue to back them so no change there.

One interesting thing about all this is present Modi Govt. Has presented this PoK & GB retaking thing in front of only domestic audience.. They have not raised this issue anywhere internationally. So I still have doubts whether they have moved on from Vajpai govt. stance or not.
Also no big statements have come to condemn this act of Pakistan either. So in all likelihood GOI want Pakistan to do this.
Either way it is clear that military solution is the only thing that is left on the table.
Chinese are desperate to save their investment & have forced Paki slaves to do this despite it weakens their stand internationally.

The approach to the J&K issue by previous govt was inexorably interlinked and they spun a cobweb around themselves where they got trapped themselves. .
The basic issue and stumbling block were always the Muslim Card and Vote Bank. Connected to that was Article 370 and 35A, the hegemony of Abdullah and Mufti families and their deep stakes in fuelling the successionist terrorism in the valley. Because of Their Muslim Fundamentalist politics, not only Kashmir valley but the entire J&K was being held at ransom by them. That put entire J&K at dispute and at threat.

Having fought four wars over the LOC, Delhi elites explored the possibilities of converting the LOC into IB for a long time in spite of the Shimla Agreement conspiracy by MEA. While that could sort out Pakistan's involvement but the internal successionist elements would still hold the sway. There was a dire need to free Jammu and Ladakh from the cluthes of valley fundamentalist Jihadi hegemons.

Modi govt with a single masterstroke has eliminated all problems minus Islamic Jihadi Fundamentalism of the valley. The scope of any future conflict even if it is an uprising has been reduced to a very limited geography of the valley. Jammu and Ladakh will develop and prosper. Multiple alternate axis has been developed to Ladakh which will reduce the strategic significance of valley to nothingness. Ladakh and not the Kasmir valley has become the strategic fulcrum. Valley is quite well protected by Samsabari and Pir Panjal ranges and it is now bypassable in all aspects - economically, militarily, administratively and strategically. That is no mean a feat.

Now that Farooq Abdullah is an opened ended traitor inviting Chinese .. how will the Chinese come. They can only come from Muzaffarabad. Let us all see how the Chinese will appoint Farooq as the Vice Roy of Kashmir.

But what now? The larger aim is the integration of GB and POK with J&K that will further reduce Vally terrorists to Naughts and provide a strategic extension to India into CAR. That is our Maximalist position. What could be a minimalist position now? Converting LoC into IB still could be a minimalist position.

All said and done the present overall situation is not conducive to raise up the ante of BG and that is why the govt may be waiting for an appropriate time and situation.

 

[shade]

The approach to the J&K issue by previous govt was inexorably interlinked and they spun a cobweb around themselves where they got trapped themselves. .
The basic issue and stumbling block were always the Muslim Card and Vote Bank. Connected to that was Article 370 and 35A, the hegemony of Abdullah and Mufti families and their deep stakes in fuelling the successionist terrorism in the valley. Because of Their Muslim Fundamentalist politics, not only Kashmir valley but the entire J&K was being held at ransom by them. That put entire J&K at dispute and at threat.

Having fought four wars over the LOC, Delhi elites explored the possibilities of converting the LOC into IB for a long time in spite of the Shimla Agreement conspiracy by MEA. While that could sort out Pakistan's involvement but the internal successionist elements would still hold the sway. There was a dire need to free Jammu and Ladakh from the cluthes of valley fundamentalist Jihadi hegemons.

Modi govt with a single masterstroke has eliminated all problems minus Islamic Jihadi Fundamentalism of the valley. The scope of any future conflict even if it is an uprising has been reduced to a very limited geography of the valley. Jammu and Ladakh will develop and prosper. Multiple alternate axis has been developed to Ladakh which will reduce the strategic significance of valley to nothingness. Ladakh and not the Kasmir valley has become the strategic fulcrum. Valley is quite well protected by Samsabari and Pir Panjal ranges and it is now bypassable in all aspects - economically, militarily, administratively and strategically. That is no mean a feat.

Now that Farooq Abdullah is an opened ended traitor inviting Chinese .. how will the Chinese come. They can only come from Muzaffarabad. Let us all see how the Chinese will appoint Farooq as the Vice Roy of Kashmir.

But what now? The larger aim is the integration of GB and POK with J&K that will further reduce Vally terrorists to Naughts and provide a strategic extension to India into CAR. That is our Maximalist position. What could be a minimalist position now? Converting LoC into IB still could be a minimalist position.

All said and done the present overall situation is not conducive to raise up the ante of BG and that is why the govt may be waiting for an appropriate time and situation.

Nahi hoga lol.
DeVeLoPMeNT will never take place there till the demand of AZADI/Sharia/Khilafat/Death to all Kuffars by the Dars, Wanis, Mattoos of the Valley cease.
The meme that momins turn into jihadis because no "opportunities" and "no education" is a precisely that, a meme.

If you mean Infrastructure development then yes tho.
Human development nahi.
The biggest master stroke of 370 gaya is J&K is in total and proper central control now, no Mufti/Abdullah being double agent viceroy in Kashmir now.
This is a good step towards a purge of jihad from Kashmir some 10-15 years from now, God willing.

It also brings joy to my heart seeing Imrand Gand going to every international organization and bawling with his keywords of "mudi faschis", "mudi raciss", "mudi hitler" et al
Literally begging everyone now to hand them Kashmir.
Before 370 gaya they used to think of themselves as Ghori and Ghaznavi
Now unlimited randi rona

 

[doreamon]

Nothing surprising S300 meant to take down mostly planes. Handheld UAV can slip through the net. Hence Russian emphasis on IADS S300 has to be deployed with complementary systems such as planes, guns like Tunguska or Pantsir

Pantsir also getting knocked down by isreali uav

 

[cereal killer]

Our situation is not same as China. China is a one party State. All voices are aligned in China.

I am fine with Modi keeping silent. Of course some people are getting impatient (and not only in opposition). Staying put in Ladakh is costly, though the experience will help in future.

I think India should assume war is imminent and prepare accordingly. India has never mobilized like many other countries do in previous wars. It is time to think in that direction; when not only military but civilian resources are used for war.

Large cities and defence installations should prepare for air raids.

I agree here that war is imminent. Lets just hope GOI is playing the long game at least. In 3-4 years time.. We get the plans ready to cut Chinese lifeline G219. Actually it has taken this long for our Goverments to take China threat seriously.. So setbacks were expected initially. Thankfully we did not lose much or any vital areas.
Since our planning has always been to maintain status quo & not launching invasion into Tibet or Aksai Chin so this new reality would take time to settle in. All Modi needs to do is soak up all criticism internally & hope Xi makes a move. Next year I guess is CCP's vital conference Where Xi will showcase his power. So anything can still happen.
Ladakh sector is more or less plugged Where traditionally China used to dominate us... Now the focus is to plug other gaps around Middle & eastern sectors & think about cutting G219 through multiple places coz Chinese must have contingency plans ready as well.
You need proper planning to tame a beast like China & we have to nullify their MIC advantage as well.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Does this US military uniform suggest it is preparing for war with China?

Island assault exercise off Californian coast uses badge depicting China on the uniforms, which Chinese state media says implies action in South China Sea.

www.scmp.com

Does this US military uniform suggest it is preparing for war with China?

 

[tarunraju]

Does this US military uniform suggest it is preparing for war with China?

Island assault exercise off Californian coast uses badge depicting China on the uniforms, which Chinese state media says implies action in South China Sea.

www.scmp.com

Does this US military uniform suggest it is preparing for war with China?


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That one patch would have caused a diarrhea epidemic in the PLA.

Above pic is possibly from a UCAV operation base in Nevada.

Apparently Amreekis are already coaching their troops for amphibious island assaults simulating attacks on Taiwanese islands captured by the PLA.

Expect the Yellow River to turn brown from Gobar Times verbal diarrhea in the coming few hours.

 

[bajiraopeshwa]

Nothing surprising S300 meant to take down mostly planes. Handheld UAV can slip through the net. Hence Russian emphasis on IADS S300 has to be deployed with complementary systems such as planes, guns like Tunguska or Pantsir

The AAD systems are not all they are touted to be

 

[Cheran]

#BREAKING : China deployed its DF-4 missiles at Kashgar Airbase. Range of these missiles r upto 5500 KMs.Counter deployment done with our Agni Series. #Sources Don't disrespect peace but always prepare for war is only mantra for not to regret in the future. #IndiaChinaStandoff via drapr

Well, we can call it "difference in perception" or whatever sweet things but above is the simple fact that we should always remember when taking/planning that one day it will come to the shove.

 

[tarunraju]

#BREAKING : China deployed its DF-4 missiles at Kashgar Airbase. Range of these missiles r upto 5500 KMs.Counter deployment done with our Agni Series. #Sources Don't disrespect peace but always prepare for war is only mantra for not to regret in the future. #IndiaChinaStandoff via drapr



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Well, we can call it "difference in perception" or whatever sweet things but above is the simple fact that we should always remember when taking/planning that one day it will come to the shove.

Thanks to Agni V, we have the ability to launch from anywhere in India, and hit anywhere in China, thanks to its alleged 8,000+ km range.

We could launch from Lakshadweep and nuke China's northeastern tip.

China got so cucked after Agni V tests, that it put out this statement:

China and India are large developing nations. We are not competitors but partners. We believe that both sides should cherish the hard-won good state of affairs at present, and work hard to uphold friendly strategic co-operation to promote joint development and make positive contributions towards maintaining peace and stability in the region.

So the latest Agni series missiles have largely neutralized China's Tibet advantage.

 

[omaebakabaka]

OT but what's the actual range of the missile, I mean public one, some are saying 400km some are saying 500km...lots of confusion. It is Bramhos ER right?

Not higher than Russian Onyx, probably around 500 to 600 km depending on the profile

 

[Cheran]

 

[prasadr14]

Thanks to Agni V, we have the ability to launch from anywhere in India, and hit anywhere in China, thanks to its alleged 8,000+ km range.

We could launch from Lakshadweep and nuke China's northeastern tip.

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China got so cucked after Agni V tests, that it put out this statement:

I thought it had range upto 5800 km only..