India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Cheran]

China attacked Indian satellite communications: US Report | India News - Times of India

India News: "Computer network attack against Indian satellite communications in 2017” is one among a slew of counter-space activities carried out by China since 2

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[cereal killer]

Such stories are interesting but mostly false.
Puranic stories are fiction.

You should read Kalhana's records on Kashmir.. King Lalitaditya united all hill tribes of J&K & created a unstoppable force, that even Arabs feared him. Chinese Tang Dynasty records call him a powerful king & an ally. He is probably last Greatest Hindu King North India produced & never lost a battle. I have also come to know about him recently. He is the one who built famous Martand temple in Kashmir.

 

[bajiraopeshwa]

Also, if Chinese were "in for the long haul," they give the Indian government justification to spend billions on upgrading/building border infrastructure unopposed by the Indian domestic political opposition; and more than this, China ends up incentivizing India to build and grow a domestic military industrial complex to keep costs low (vs. foreign hardware procurements). China wouldn't want this.

Therefore I think they're not in this for the long haul, but to cook instant ramen. They've thrown the world into chaos with WuFlu, and now want to take advantage of the chaos to move up in the world order by doing "superpower-ish" things, so that Xi gets to make his pee stain on Beijing indelible.

Long haul puts water on the "China is superpower" theory. Superpowers dont go to borders and wait and wait.
US did not put troops on Iraq border, they went in.

It is okay for India to wait and wait, we are not claiming to be a super power. We never claimed we could finish a war in 2 hours the way the Chinese did.

 

[Bhadra]

You should read Kalhana's records on Kashmir.. King Lalitaditya united all hill tribes of J&K & created a unstoppable force, that even Arabs feared him. Chinese Tang Dynasty records call him a powerful king & an ally. He is probably last Greatest Hindu King North India produced & never lost a battle. I have also come to know about him recently. He is the one who built famous Martand temple in Kashmir.

Garg is a die-hard Arya Samaji with blinkers on.. For him, anything after Vedas is all Mythya. Though I bet he does not know what Vedas are all about.

 

[Indopacific Arya]

@Hellfire @Bhadra Please elaborate us about effectiveness of Tube Artillery in high attitude and also whether we deployed such thing on same number as they deployed...

 

[garg_bharat]

It is ganga for those that beleive in it for others its just water flowing. Whatever rocks your boat

What we believe is important. Rishi always said that even dharm should pass the test of common sense. Human don't fly - so Hanuman cannot fly. But Hanuman can fly in an airplane.

When we start believing falsehoods the social harmony goes for a toss. As anybody can believe anything and result is chaos.

 

[Bhadra]

Lot of discussion here on treaties/agreements and how China backstabbed.

Firstly, treaties are generally workable between equals. Treaties between unequal is always at the disadvantage of the weaker side or why should there be treaty/agreement at all.

Treaties are good in so afar as those are enforceable. Lack of enforceability renders any agreement useless not even worth the papers.

Treaty is only a temporary state to manage equilibrium and will be broken the moment the weaker side gains strength to break it.

Please let me know those treaties which India has signed after 1947 that is standing and working well. Hardly any - including Simal Agreement. Only the Indus Water Treaty continues because of our establishment's love for Muslim votes.

The five border treaties China signed with India were always at China's advantage, and China has now thrown those away to convey that China will enforce far worse treaties on India by the might of PLA.

The international system is not governed by the Indian laws of Trots and Easements. Nor do they follow :

रघुकुल रीत सदा चल आई, प्राण जाई पर वचन न जाई |

 

[Knowitall]

Guys how big is the current deployment w.r.t op chequerboard.

 

[asingha94]

Bruhhh

 

[cereal killer]

@Hellfire @Bhadra Please elaborate us about effectiveness of Tube Artillery in high attitude and also whether we deployed such thing on same number as they deployed...

Chinese Rocket Artillery definately have the numbers advantage & we can't match them here.
We are heavily reliant on M777 ULH & Bofors which are battle tested. We do have some Pinaka MBRLs though but not in great numbers.

 

[cereal killer]

LMFAO
At home, however, some believe the nation’s over-protected young boys are becoming physically and emotionally weak — leaving China facing what is being called a "crisis of masculinity."

China fears the rise overly 'effeminate' boys and is taking action

Some fear China's young boys are becoming physically and emotionally weak, causing a 'crisis of masculinity' — but not everyone agrees.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Suryavanshi]

LMFAO
At home, however, some believe the nation’s over-protected young boys are becoming physically and emotionally weak — leaving China facing what is being called a "crisis of masculinity."

China fears the rise overly 'effeminate' boys and is taking action

Some fear China's young boys are becoming physically and emotionally weak, causing a 'crisis of masculinity' — but not everyone agrees.

www.nbcnews.com

Can unnecessary pampering really lead to this?
China is restructuring their armed forces to field permanent commissioned officers, this might be one of the reasons.

 

[12arya]

LMFAO
At home, however, some believe the nation’s over-protected young boys are becoming physically and emotionally weak — leaving China facing what is being called a "crisis of masculinity."

China fears the rise overly 'effeminate' boys and is taking action

Some fear China's young boys are becoming physically and emotionally weak, causing a 'crisis of masculinity' — but not everyone agrees.

www.nbcnews.com

I guess "toxic masculinity" is not useless after all!

 

[mandestiny]

Seems China trying to block IA advancement through talk and agreements.

 

[utubekhiladi]

China Has No Intention To Fight Either "Cold War" Or "Hot War": Xi Jinping

President Xi Jinping also said that China will continue to narrow the differences and resolve disputes with others through negotations, in comments that came in the backdrop of the tense military standoff between Chinese and Indian armies in eastern Ladakh for over four months.

bullet points and summarization of his speech

• China will never seek hegemony, expansion, or sphere of influence
• Beijing has no intention to fight either a "Cold War" or a "hot war" with any country.
• China will continue to narrow the differences and resolve disputes with others through negotiations.
• Communist Party of China and the Commander-in-Chief of the Chinese military, said his country will not pursue development behind closed doors.
• Rather, we aim to foster, over time, a new development paradigm with domestic circulation as the mainstay and domestic and international circulations reinforcing each other.
• Facing the virus, we should enhance solidarity and get this through together.
• follow the guidance of science, give full play to the leading role of the World Health Organization, and launch a joint international response to beat this pandemic.
• "To pursue a beggar-thy-neighbor policy or just watch from a safe distance when others are in danger will eventually land one in the same trouble faced by others," he said.
• We should reject attempts to build blocs to keep others out and oppose a zero-sum approach.
• We should see each other as members of the same big family, pursue win-win cooperation, and rise above ideological disputes and do not fall into the trap of "clash of civilizations," he said.
• More importantly, he said one should respect a country's "independent choice of development path and model.
• The world is diverse in nature, and we should turn this diversity into a constant source of inspiration driving human advancement. ensure that human civilizations remain colorful and diversified, Xi said
• finally - "As we pursue this bright future, we must hold accountable the nation which unleashed this plague onto the world: China," he said.

BC he is now speaking like Gautama Buddha

I will follow up in another post and explain how the world interprets his speech

 

[12arya]

President Xi Jinping also said that China will continue to narrow the differences and resolve disputes with others through negotations

He is basically saying, they ll keep on grabbing land an inch at a time, whenever possible!

 

[mandestiny]

Seems China trying to block IA advancement through talk and agreements.

Will IA continue with adjustments or not ?

 

[IndiaRising]

India nearing the completion of deal for 30 MQ-9A Reaper Drones for 3 billion dollars

Source: Livefist

 

[Suryavanshi]

India nearing the completion of deal for 30 MQ-9A Reaper Drones for 3 billion dollars

Source: Livefist

This one seems a little unnecessary. 3 billion investment in Indian program could have gotten us a long way into the future.
More Refulers should have been bought instead.

 

[bajiraopeshwa]

While we debate India vs China, it is useful to look at the contours of alliances and how it is shaping the world.

US-India-Israel alliance is reshaping the middle east. The UAE is establishing relations with Israel. Other middle east countries will all in line sooner than later. In the Pacific, US-India-Japan-Taiwan-Australia alliance will dominate the oceans.

The China-Pakistan-North Korea alliance is not strong enough technologically. US is shooing away Chinese students from graduate positions as these students double up as spies. In 10-15 years, Chinese tech advancement will slow down and Indian advancement will speed up.

Russia is a wild card but is well counter balanced by Europe