India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Knowitall]

What Chinese produce is mostly commodity and low margin stuff. The US and Europe got out of manufacturing precisely because the margins are low and the capex is high. After the 2008 crisis, American consumers pulled back on spending. To offset the fall in demand, the Chinese created ghost towns and projects like CPEC where countries like Pakistan were used to create artificial demand for Chinese surplus infrastructure.

Chinese debt to GDP ratio is 300+ %, very large and unsustainable. With Europe and US aging, where is demand going to come from ? Young countries like India. But at some point after India gets its act together, Indian companies will produce the same stuff as Chinese at lower cost (because labour cost is lower). Which means India can do to China what China did to the USA and Europe.

It's worth pointing out that those 350% estimates are for *all* public and private debt in China. In 2019, the total debt to GDP ratio in Japan was over 450% and at around 330% in the US. Since GDP is contracting in Japan and the US while government spending has gone up significantly, they are almost certainly significantly worse now

China has already started off shoring their low end manufacturing to African countries while they themselves move upwards in the supply chain.

 

[UZI™️]

 

[bajiraopeshwa]

PLA's 5th gen "warfare" over the past 5 months has been one miscalculation of the Indian public after another. They can add IRBMs to the list.

IRBM launch == Indian second strike.

This means the Chinese are seriously rattled by IA's actions and are not confident of winning a conventional war despite their having a higher number of weapons. Previously they were boasting of finishing the war in 2 hours etc but now they are frightened. Perhaps the realization is setting in that their weapons are qualitatively inferior.

Wonder whether there is a realistic chance of IA cutting off highway 219 at both ends (from Tibet and Xinjiang). This will bottle up the Chinese in Ladakh and make them very vulnerable.

 

[UZI™️]

 

[Cheran]

 

[mandestiny]

This is a big problem we have ?

 

[mandestiny]

Beauty & Power

 

[Akula]

These IRBM's would probably be stationed in Qizil Jilga, Aksai Chin.

 

[Cheran]

 

[Knowitall]

Ok this article talks about placement of heavy weaponry in the whole area by china.

It seems chelleny was not wrong.

 

[shade]

It's worth pointing out that those 350% estimates are for *all* public and private debt in China. In 2019, the total debt to GDP ratio in Japan was over 450% and at around 330% in the US. Since GDP is contracting in Japan and the US while government spending has gone up significantly, they are almost certainly significantly worse now

China has already started off shoring their low end manufacturing to African countries while they themselves move upwards in the supply chain.

It's mostly clothes and shoes, and even then it's mainly Ethiopia only.
The west seems to bloc their moves to higher ends of the supply chain, and currently they are still the go to for electronics assembly, casing manufacture, PCB manufacture and literally any manufacturing related to plastic items.
Jab tak globalist ka haat rahega unpe, they will do everything with impunity.

 

[Prakshepak]

Ok this article talks about placement of heavy weaponry in the whole area by china.

It seems chelleny was not wrong.

They are trying to use Dhoti shivering attributes in general population mostly metro dwelling one. What will our response be if few say only 2 IRBMs with conventional warheads land in place like CP in delhi? Our english speaking urbanites will go bonkers shivering everything they have if not dhoti. Do we have capability or more so will to land few BMs with conventional warheads in Shanghai or Beijing? This is next phase in intimidation and people like Challeny are knowingly or unknowingly acting as their foot soldier in CCPs attempt at trying to win without firing a single shot.

 

[mandestiny]

Superpower china hai ki India hai.

Yeh daar acha hai

 

[Knowitall]

They are trying to use Dhoti shivering attributes in general population mostly metro dwelling one. What will our response be if few say only 2 IRBMs with conventional warheads land in place like CP in delhi? Our english speaking urbanites will go bonkers shivering everything they have if not dhoti. Do we have capability or more so will to land few BMs with conventional warheads in Shanghai or Beijing? This is next phase in intimidation and people like Challeny are knowingly or unknowingly acting as their foot soldier in CCPs attempt at trying to win without firing a single shot.

I feel like the result will be the opposite an attack on the civilian population will actually result in more anger directed towards the Chinese .

People will end up supporting the govt even more in such a scenario.

 

[Prakshepak]

I feel like the result will be the opposite an attack on the civilian population will actually result in more anger directed towards the Chinese .

People will end up supporting the govt even more in such a scenario.

Yes I feel that will be the response or I hope it will be the response. But this whole saga is due to Xitler's miscalculations. I think they don't know how to handle current dispensation in India, if they could read Modi correctly, they would be worried lot, especially since he is growing a long beard . Ancient sages often did such things until they fulfill some goals.. if i am noth mistaken his beard only started growing after Chinese incursions .

 

[etantra]

the next journalist who is going to jail is brahma chellaney

he is trying to make India treat IRBM attacks as acceptable since it can be non-nuclear.

nope, India has to assume IRBMs are nuclear and trigger Agni-5 to be flying to Xi's ass.

 

[Indrajit]

Tagdey Rho

Some 30 odd years later, it's the Bofors that is India's formidable weapon....

 

[shade]

I feel like the result will be the opposite an attack on the civilian population will actually result in more anger directed towards the Chinese .

People will end up supporting the govt even more in such a scenario.

They drop missiles on our cities and Uncle Sam gets an invitation to do similar things to them.

Remember, ching chongs don't want their precious economy, precious ports, precious exports being attacked either militarily or economically with sanctions by their top importers.
This is why shri Sun Tchu's WiN wiThOUt FiGhTiNG meme is their military doctrine it seems

Some 30 odd years later, it's the Bofors that is India's formidable weapon....

Guess taking kickbacks on a product purchase doesn't always mean the product is bad or inferior.

 

[tarunraju]

Yes, every procurement scam results in a self-inflicted denial in access to that weapon system.

Agusta-Westland scam deprived our otherwise formidable Kamorta-class ships of the ASW helos they need.

 

[Cheran]

Read & Weep

Chucha, Panikkar & Krishna Menon.........

India, China, Tibet - The Statesman

Nehru saw China as a partner to create a new post-colonial world, and his aspirations for a global role linked to a big power neglected India’s national and security priorities at great cost. This should be an enduring lesson for our present and future governments.

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Nehru saw China as a partner to create a new post-colonial world, and his aspirations for a global role linked to a big power neglected India’s national and security priorities at great cost. This should be an enduring lesson for our present and future governments.

Sardar Patel, Morarji Desai and Radhakrishnan were sceptical of China’s intentions, but were brushed aside by Nehru’s circle of Panikkar and Defence Minister Krishna Menon.