India-China 2020 Border conflict

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Boss we need to look at long term; and yes that means digging in.
Digging in has advantages 1) We can continue the infra work without bothering about another surprise Chinese deployment 2) Show the world we are standing upto the Chinese 3) Continue our salami slicing or readjustment 4) Get time for preparations and revving up our production lines 5) Buy time till the economy recovers

Whatever the scenario, Chinese can at best get a marginal victory and at worst will be defeated. There are also risks for the Chinese like the US entering the fray. So the risk-reward ratio is in our favour.
 

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The gap between china and India is going to increase in lonh term not decrease.

We are also looking at an unarmed pakistani military funded with chinese money too with chinese themselves gaining more experience over time.
The Chinese growth has spluttered and met the same fate as the Japanese. It is one of the pains of being an export led economy - you build huge capacity but after some time the returns diminish. On the demographics side also the Chinese are in the same boat as the Japanese - an aging population with less working people. Their wages are 6 times that of the Indian worker.

If Yogi Adityanath can get another term, we will see UP emerge as a strong engine of growth for India and have effects on all its neighbouring states.

In short, the gap between India and China increasing is not a given and not inevitable.
 

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Any news about the deployment of a fourth division in Ladakh..After yesterday's talks will IA/GOI move ahead with the deployment of another division ?
 

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in all seriousness im actually worried never have our corps meeting lasted so long.

when 2 army men talk they know the lay of the land they know what to discuss they know whats at stake.

The chinese MEA will be subservient to the PLA and its generals this means both of them will be parroting the same lines. I hope our MEA guy takes a rational approach and let the general deal with things rather than ranting about de-escalation.
Arre Yaar ye dekh.
Agar dekha hai to Phir se dekho.
Nahin toh pura dekhna.
The biggest thing about which I am laughing these days is, these Chinese were same assholes then too and are now today too, although I know they have grown but they really think us stupid.

Inki mentality Mein ghanta development hua hai.
 

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The Chinese growth has spluttered and met the same fate as the Japanese. It is one of the pains of being an export led economy - you build huge capacity but after some time the returns diminish. On the demographics side also the Chinese are in the same boat as the Japanese - an aging population with less working people. Their wages are 6 times that of the Indian worker.

If Yogi Adityanath can get another term, we will see UP emerge as a strong engine of growth for India and have effects on all its neighbouring states.

In short, the gap between India and China increasing is not a given and not inevitable.
Not even close I don't know where you seem to get your news from.



China is now the largest trading partner of EU racing ahead of even the US.


Then we need to look out for rcep.

Chinese economy remains at a pretty good position and despite all the media hype only a companies have are willing to move out of china.
 

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In 3 Years, China Doubled Its Air Bases, Air Defences And Heliports Along India Frontier: Report

According to the report, China has ''started constructing at least 13 entirely new military positions near its borders with India".


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New Delhi:
The 2017 Doklam crisis which played out between China and India in a part of Bhutan located east of Sikkim ''appears to have shifted China's strategic objectives, with China more than doubling its total number of air bases, air defence positions and heliports near the Indian border over the past three years".

Details of the Chinese expansion, accessed by NDTV, have been spelt out in a yet-to-be-released report by Stratfor, a leading global geopolitical intelligence platform. The report outlines China's military-infrastructure build-up through a detailed analysis of satellite images of military facilities that have a direct bearing on India's security.

"The timing of the Chinese build-up of military facilities along the border with India just prior to the ongoing Ladakh standoff suggests these border tensions are part of a much larger effort by China to assert control over its border regions," says Sim Tack, a Senior Global Analyst with Stratfor and the author of the report.

Significantly, China's upgrade of its military infrastructure is far from complete. "The expansion and construction of military infrastructure is in most cases still underway, so the Chinese military activity that we are seeing along the border with India today is only the beginning of a longer-term intent," the report says.

The consequences of this for India, which has been involved in a violent face-off with China in eastern Ladakh since early May, seem clear. ''Once finished, this infrastructure will provide support for an even greater intensity of Chinese operations."

According to the report, China has ''started constructing at least 13 entirely new military positions near its borders with India". This includes three air bases, five permanent air defence positions and five heliports. ''Construction on four of those new heliports started only after the onset of the current Ladakh crisis in May," it says.

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China's military build-up along the India frontier, the report says, is part of a bigger strategy similar to its goals in the South China Sea where Beijing has dredged land around tiny coral atolls to develop full-fledged air bases and Naval facilities.

Several countries in the Asia-Pacific belt have categorically rejected Beijing's claim that the area lies within its jurisdiction. In May this year, India, which champions the freedom of navigation in international waterways along with the United States said, ''the South China Sea is a part of the global commons and India has an abiding interest in peace and stability in the region,'' remarks likely to irk Beijing which is wary of India's close strategic partnership with Washington.

By applying the same strategy along its land frontier with India, ''China aims to discourage Indian resistance or military action during future border disputes by ostentatiously demonstrating its ability and intent to engage in military confrontations.''

Key in attempting to expand its military dominance in the area is China's emphasis on building up its air power. ''The Chinese military is currently building four similar air defence positions within existing air bases and other facilities. This includes additional runways, as well as aircraft shelters that will help obscure the true presence of combat aircraft at these bases from observation.''

In May this year, NDTV had reported how satellite images show massive construction activity at Ngari-Gunsa airport in Tibet, located just 200 kilometres from Pangong Lake where Indian and Chinese soldiers remain in a standoff on both banks of the lake. The construction of this base was meant to support the deployment of Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force fighter jets, including the J-11 and J-16, home-grown variants of the Sukhoi-30 combat aircraft which is the mainstay of the Indian Air Force. It is believed that construction at this base has expanded substantially since the publication of the NDTV report.

India and China continue talks at multiple levels to try and disengage forces along the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh. The latest round of talks between Generals of both sides which began on Mondo near Moldo on the South Bank of the Pangong Lake lasted approximately 13 hours. There are no immediate indicators of any break through. At least 20 Indian soldiers including a Colonel and an unknown number of Chinese troops have been killed in clashes in Ladakh with Chinese forces blocking Indian Army and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) patrol points across the frontier. India, for its part, has pre-empted a similar move in South Pangong where it presently dominates Chinese positions. Both sides continue to jostle for the high-ground on both banks of the Pangong Lake, sometimes at altitudes nearing 20,000 feet.

 

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Either Brahma or the PLA is bluffing. The thing about IRBMs is that when launched, it's interpreted by the other side as a possible nuclear launch, and the other side executes its second strike program immediately (which could be even 100s of ballistic missile launches). This is the main reason why ballistic missiles play zero role in Ind-Pak roz marra ping-pong.

So Brahma is bullshitting, or the PLA just put the missiles there to scare not the Indian Army, but to play with the Indian public. This is all still mindgames to them. A PLA IRBM launch with even a conventional warhead could see an Indian Agni on its way to cook Peking Duck.
 

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Not even close I don't know where you seem to get your news from.



China is now the largest trading partner of EU racing ahead of even the US.


Then we need to look out for rcep.

Chinese economy remains at a pretty good position and despite all the media hype only a companies have are willing to move out of china.
What Chinese produce is mostly commodity and low margin stuff. The US and Europe got out of manufacturing precisely because the margins are low and the capex is high. After the 2008 crisis, American consumers pulled back on spending. To offset the fall in demand, the Chinese created ghost towns and projects like CPEC where countries like Pakistan were used to create artificial demand for Chinese surplus infrastructure.

Chinese debt to GDP ratio is 300+ %, very large and unsustainable. With Europe and US aging, where is demand going to come from ? Young countries like India. But at some point after India gets its act together, Indian companies will produce the same stuff as Chinese at lower cost (because labour cost is lower). Which means India can do to China what China did to the USA and Europe.
 

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Either Brahma or the PLA is bluffing. The thing about IRBMs is that when launched, it's interpreted by the other side as a possible nuclear launch, and the other side executes its second strike program immediately (which could be even 100s of ballistic missile launches). This is the main reason why ballistic missiles play zero role in Ind-Pak roz marra ping-pong.

So Brahma is bullshitting, or the PLA just put the missiles there to scare not the Indian Army, but to play with the Indian public. This is all still mindgames to them. A PLA IRBM launch with even a conventional warhead could see an Indian Agni on its way to cook Peking Duck.
I'm so confused. Do the Chinese think they'll try to scare the Indian public already desensitizes by Paki nukes?

Indian public will just egg Modi to hit China with his MoAB he was talking about. Xd

P.S.: chicken urbanites not counted amongst Indian people. They're just shaking at everything.
 

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This is something we desperately need.
If we want to control this.
Or we could build permanent airbases at A&N, maybe Maldives, with several squadrons of Brahmos Su-30s.... Even the MIG 29k will be able to takeoff at full load from land.
 

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I'm so confused. Do the Chinese think they'll try to scare the Indian public already desensitizes by Paki nukes?

Indian public will just egg Modi to hit China with his MoAB he was talking about. Xd

P.S.: chicken urbanites not counted amongst Indian people. They're just shaking at everything.
PLA's 5th gen "warfare" over the past 5 months has been one miscalculation of the Indian public after another. They can add IRBMs to the list.

IRBM launch == Indian second strike.
 

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Either Brahma or the PLA is bluffing. The thing about IRBMs is that when launched, it's interpreted by the other side as a possible nuclear launch, and the other side executes its second strike program immediately (which could be even 100s of ballistic missile launches). This is the main reason why ballistic missiles play zero role in Ind-Pak roz marra ping-pong.

So Brahma is bullshitting, or the PLA just put the missiles there to scare not the Indian Army, but to play with the Indian public. This is all still mindgames to them. A PLA IRBM launch with even a conventional warhead could see an Indian Agni on its way to cook Peking Duck.
That applies to indo pak . As pak keeps threatening nuclear . Anything lunched frm that side ll be seen as a threat .India china have no 1st use policy . So india might wait to see if its conventional before jumping in to the nuclear game . And chinese policy document says that they ll use conventional missiles . Probably india ll also reply with its own conventional missiles . But if comventionl missile falls in civilian areas .. It does nt matter whether it was a nuclear or conventional . Reply ll be immidiate .. missile ll fly frm ourside frm indian ocean or frm ny location in the country . We have even ability to hit them lunching missile frm the south india .
 

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PLA's 5th gen "warfare" over the past 5 months has been one miscalculation of the Indian public after another. They can add IRBMs to the list.

IRBM launch == Indian second strike.
For sure. It is my ardent wish that I see India hit an enemy with this MoAB in my lifetime. And China seems to have a deathwish so...
 

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