India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Chandragupt Maurya]

USA cannot defeat Chinese military totally. Well they can cripple Chinese navy and some of the frontal ports. But that will come at huge cost for USN. US will use all of its allies Japanese and other ports but Chinese will target them with rocket force and will cause huge damge for the Americans there air superiority will be challenged by Sam system grid around the Chinese costal area.
For Americans logistics will remain a huge challenge and for Chinese mass manufacturing of missiles in today's era tanks and bs doesn't make sense if Chinese want to suppress American aggression from Japanese and American bases they will need to bomb them with thousands of missiles daily.
Eventually Americans will gain air superiority but but they will get totally slaughtered if they try to step inside Chinese land with military boots.
And let's don't talk about nuclear missiles and all. Technically saying both Chinese and USA have enough nuclear arsenal to wipe each other.

US cannot defeat China its true but India Can defeat China with made in USA weapons
Even Taiwan and Vietnam can defeat the Chinese if they’re supplied with American weapons and weapon platforms

 

[Assassin 2.0]

US cannot defeat China its true but India Can defeat China with made in USA weapons

Well it depends what do you mean by "defeat" if you mean that india can capture askai chin then it's pretty possible with our current weaponry too.
But if we are talking about Americans defeating china that also is possible if Americans use there all of the might and humiliate Chinese by bombing shit near Beijing then it will be will be kinda century of humiliation 2.0 ( Chinese emperor killed some white guy's in china and Britain and French forces reacted by bombing near the fort of the emperor and forcing him to escape and humiliating him and creating fear in the heart of emperor that he is not safe anywhere. This stunt started the century of humiliation thing for Chinese.)

Anyways keeping fanboyism aside Chinese have tons of electric subs which are build to cause area denial they are big headache for American navy Chinese also today have more surface ships than Americans so in true sense defeating Chinese is not piece of cake for Americans and it will take tons of American life.

Chinese also have credible nuclear arsenal.

Today Americans can defeat that too with allies PLAN but I'm not sure about situation after 10-15 year's.

But non of the country have capability to physically hold any land in mainland china.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

USA cannot defeat Chinese military totally. Well they can cripple Chinese navy and some of the frontal ports. But that will come at huge cost for USN. US will use all of its allies Japanese and other ports but Chinese will target them with rocket force and will cause huge damge for the Americans there air superiority will be challenged by Sam system grid around the Chinese costal area.
For Americans logistics will remain a huge challenge and for Chinese mass manufacturing of missiles in today's era tanks and bs doesn't make sense if Chinese want to suppress American aggression from Japanese and American bases they will need to bomb them with thousands of missiles daily.
Eventually Americans will gain air superiority but but they will get totally slaughtered if they try to step inside Chinese land with military boots.
And let's don't talk about nuclear missiles and all. Technically saying both Chinese and USA have enough nuclear arsenal to wipe each other.

US strategy against China will rely on what they call Far seas defence.. US wont operate in the south china sea much.. and will pick PLA Navy ships slowly one after another.. What the US will do is not allow a single Chinese military vessel.. and almost no trade out of the first island chain..They will irreparably devastate the chinese economy, and remove them from all supply chains in case there is a war.. Thats the cost effective plan.. as compared to any plans related to setting boots on chinese mainland..

 

[Suhaldev]

China’s arms smuggling racket along Bangladesh-Myanmar border unearthed - The Economic Times

Active insurgent group United Wa State Army (UWSA) has also been found to receive arms from China, persons familiar with the development told ET. There are reports that seven insurgent groups in Myanmar are being allegedly funded by China.

m.economictimes.com

Bangladesh Worried by Myanmar Border Deployments

Myanmar’s military says its deployments along the Bangladeshi border are to tackle rebel groups, not threaten its western neighbor.

www.irrawaddy.com

Aap chronology samajiye

 

[Assassin 2.0]

strategy against China will rely on what they call Far seas defence.. US wont operate in the south china sea much.. and will pick PLA Navy ships slowly

Well if Americans stay away from the conflict zone then PLAN will be successfully able to reck the whole Taiwanese navy or they will be able to successfully able to capture desired island.
The more American stay away from conflict and just take PLAN slowly the more they will move forward and faster by capturing and controlling islands and making bases. And this action of Chinese will force Americans to come under the range of Chinese costal defence systems and under the radius of PLA.

chain..They will irreparably devastate the chinese economy, and remove them from all supply chains in case there is a war.. Thats the cost effective plan.. as compared to any plans related to setting boots on chinese mainland..

It's a long term process Chinese will keep up the gas by using Russians gas lines. And i think all of this process will surely have effects but it will be too late till the time PLAN would be successfully be able to have military gains.

Chinese President Xi Jinping and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin on Monday remotely inaugurated the “Power of Siberia” gas pipeline — a massive cross-border undertaking not only central to China’s energy security but also for bolstering special ties between Beijing and Moscow. The 30-year project is anchored by a $400 billion gas deal.

'Power of Siberia' gas pipeline cements China-Russia bond

First cross-border gas pipeline between Russia and China inaugurated.

www.thehindu.com

 

[Suhaldev]

The Global Times' attention-seeking editor Hu Xijin's message a bit more 'Red' on Weibo: "If we have no choice but war, we should first avoid direct conflict with the US. We can (instead) severely beat up a US running dog that always crosses our bottom line... to send a warning.'



Dekho Fatu log propoganda Kar rahey hai

 

[Knowitall]

bhai winter deployment ke liye kuch bachega hi nahi jis gati me ye meeting me sab khaye jare hai.

 

[Knowitall]

in all seriousness im actually worried never have our corps meeting lasted so long.

when 2 army men talk they know the lay of the land they know what to discuss they know whats at stake.

The chinese MEA will be subservient to the PLA and its generals this means both of them will be parroting the same lines. I hope our MEA guy takes a rational approach and let the general deal with things rather than ranting about de-escalation.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Well if Americans stay away from the conflict zone then PLAN will be successfully able to reck the whole Taiwanese navy or they will be able to successfully able to capture desired island.
The more American stay away from conflict and just take PLAN slowly the more they will move forward and faster by capturing and controlling islands and making bases. And this action of Chinese will force Americans to come under the range of Chinese costal defence systems and under the radius of PLA.

It's a long term process Chinese will keep up the gas by using Russians gas lines. And i think all of this process will surely have effects but it will be too late till the time PLAN would be successfully be able to have military gains.

Chinese President Xi Jinping and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin on Monday remotely inaugurated the “Power of Siberia” gas pipeline — a massive cross-border undertaking not only central to China’s energy security but also for bolstering special ties between Beijing and Moscow. The 30-year project is anchored by a $400 billion gas deal.

'Power of Siberia' gas pipeline cements China-Russia bond

First cross-border gas pipeline between Russia and China inaugurated.

www.thehindu.com

US has 500 refuelling aircraft aginst China's 3. There are some H-6 bombers which function as limited refullers.. With such overwhelming superiority the USAF can maintain an air corridor to supply Taiwan.. and disrupt chinese support vessels from supporting the invasion. Taiwan has an active force of 160000 and reserve personeel being 1.6 million. It would be a momentous undertaking for China, even to continually maintain supplies.. even if China manages to get a toehold in taiwan.

Also, all Russia can ensure is that China survives.. nothing more than that. All seaborne trade ( thats almost all trade ) will be gone.. and with it China's prosperity..

 

[Knowitall]

 

[Knowitall]

things dont seem to be going the right way general bakshi is worried.

 

[nick_indian]

ho gaya kya de-escalation ?

 

[TheSaffron]

things dont seem to be going the right way general bakshi is worried.

Trust the government. Its not Bakshi Sahab but his Johnnie Walker that is speaking.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

has 500 refuelling aircraft aginst China's 3. There are some H-6 bombers which function as limited refullers.. With such overwhelming superiority the USAF can maintain an air corridor to supply Taiwan.. and disrupt chinese support vessels from supporting the invasion. Taiwan has an active force of 160000 and reserve personeel being 1.6 million. It would be a momentous undertaking for China, even to continually maintain supplies.. even if China manages to get a toehold in taiwan.

Well Chinese will not require tons of refueler aircrafts as they can position there PLAF fleet on frontal bases and and Americans will have to fly all the way from pacific to support there aircrafts and
And initial advantage of the deployment will go in the hands of Chinese with their bases being closer and have easier logistics.
Chinese will not invade Taiwan but they can surely cripple the cities and destroy much of its costal SAM systems with super sonic missiles.


It will be very difficult and challenging task to engage whole PLAF near Chinese costal lines Americans will face difficulties. But overall Americans will win the war.

The carrier-borne F-35C has an unrefuelled combat radius of about 1100km. This can be boosted up to 1800km if in-flight refuelling is available.

"But there are logistic challenges sustaining an airborne refueller on station, not to mention the risk of the refueller being shot down,"

But even this is not enough.

"That 1800km combat radius still requires the carrier to penetrate deeply into China's A2AD (area defence) envelope, which now extends out to about 4000km from the mainland," he says.

The more closer the aircraft carrier is to the coast the more chances of it getting shot down.

 

[nick_indian]

ho gaya kya de-escalation ?

@utubekhiladi Sorry I stole your line but i wrote it a bit differently

 

[utubekhiladi]

@utubekhiladi Sorry I stole your line but i wrote it a bit differently

<-- @nick_indian you missed this emoji at the end.

 

[mist_consecutive]

USA cannot defeat Chinese military totally. Well they can cripple Chinese navy and some of the frontal ports. But that will come at huge cost for USN. US will use all of its allies Japanese and other ports but Chinese will target them with rocket force and will cause huge damge for the Americans there air superiority will be challenged by Sam system grid around the Chinese costal area.
For Americans logistics will remain a huge challenge and for Chinese mass manufacturing of missiles in today's era tanks and bs doesn't make sense if Chinese want to suppress American aggression from Japanese and American bases they will need to bomb them with thousands of missiles daily.
Eventually Americans will gain air superiority but but they will get totally slaughtered if they try to step inside Chinese land with military boots.
And let's don't talk about nuclear missiles and all. Technically saying both Chinese and USA have enough nuclear arsenal to wipe each other.

Well, no. The USA can wipe China's yellow face on the floor.

Sometimes between the lines of shiny-looking Chinese toys and HD propaganda videos, we misjudge China's might.

Let me explain.
If you control the lands around a landlocked country (Nepal), you can defeat it by choking its supplies.
If you control the seas, you can tumble even mighty economies.
If you control the airspace, you have the supreme power to defeat any country.

What is the strongest-side of the USA? It is its NATO allies and supreme veto powers.
What is the strongest-side of the USA militarily? It is its air force.

China has a mighty navy, no doubt. But you don't fight ship vs. ship exactly, if that happens, the USA may take massive losses. You send in jets to deal with the same.
In WW2, Japan had one of the most formidable Navies, as well as massive shipbuilding and industrial capacity, which made massive Yamato-class destroyers nearly double in size and tonnage of any ship the USA had. In event of any attack, it can fend-off multiple ships with its massive 46-cm main guns.
Result? All of them were sunk by attacking US navy planes.

So yeah, USA will not go marching with boots on the ground on the Chinese mainland.
An Chinese defeat will take place in these consecutive steps -

Step 1) Naval blockade, airspace denial - Chinese ships will be picked up using standoff-weapons and CMs. Blockage of the Malacca-strait, as well as the Pacific, starving China of crucial supplies like hydrocarbons and raw materials. Industrial productivity will go down.

Step 2) Massive air campaign to take out the Chinese air force and SEAD operations - Chinese air force is the weakest of all three. 3 US CBG in the South China sea, 2 off-shore Japan, and 1 in Bay of Bengal. Air operations will be supported by friendly countries like India, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, the Philippines, and Saudi Arabia.

Step 3) Air raids on the industrial sector, runaways and harbours - Essentially crippling the country from producing more weaponry. At this stage, any country is pretty-much defeated.

Step 4) Gradual chipping away of territory, balkanization - China, now economically as well as militarily weak will be vulnerable to militancy and rebellion. Occupied areas like Tibet, Xinjiang will be first to be separated. Furthur degradation will happen as China with its massive population falls into a massive economic crisis and inflation.

Question - Yeah, it all sounds good, but what if it turns nuclear? Will China not use nuclear bombs?
Answer - All countries who possess weapons of mass destruction (including Pakistan) understands that it is more like a mutual suicide button. So its threshold of use is very high (like attacking and occupying a large area of the country).
The trick is to never let the country feel such external crisis and threat to the civilian population. If the country thinks it can live for another day and try again, they will choose to do so rather than forfeiting any chance of survival.
So, boots-on-the-ground on the Chinese mainland is a complete no-no.

 

[scatterStorm]

This guy says we're getting at least 2500 Meteors(presumably by 2021). That is an average of 69 per Rafale. N he's not known to fool around.

I am not buying this, considering meteor is an expensive hardware. 2500 is very a healthy number.

 

[scatterStorm]

US has many options, it can use Japan, S.Korea, Phillipines, Australia, North east India as a staging ground for air operations, no boots going in. Naval blockade with Air dominance in SCS, and later subsequently chipping airspace every few hundred nautical miles until they have airspace extending outward bit of Taiwan.

Once china realises that it's hurting economically, they have to come to terms. This is a long battle, economically it's not helpful for US as well considering if US thinks of controlling the SCS with 4 CBGs.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Well, no. The USA can wipe China's yellow face on the floor.

Sometimes between the lines of shiny-looking Chinese toys and HD propaganda videos, we misjudge China's might.

Let me explain.
If you control the lands around a landlocked country (Nepal), you can defeat it by choking its supplies.
If you control the seas, you can tumble even mighty economies.
If you control the airspace, you have the supreme power to defeat any country.

What is the strongest-side of the USA? It is its NATO allies and supreme veto powers.
What is the strongest-side of the USA militarily? It is its air force.

China has a mighty navy, no doubt. But you don't fight ship vs. ship exactly, if that happens, the USA may take massive losses. You send in jets to deal with the same.
In WW2, Japan had one of the most formidable Navies, as well as massive shipbuilding and industrial capacity, which made massive Yamato-class destroyers nearly double in size and tonnage of any ship the USA had. In event of any attack, it can fend-off multiple ships with its massive 46-cm main guns.
Result? All of them were sunk by attacking US navy planes.

So yeah, USA will not go marching with boots on the ground on the Chinese mainland.
An Chinese defeat will take place in these consecutive steps -

Step 1) Naval blockade, airspace denial - Chinese ships will be picked up using standoff-weapons and CMs. Blockage of the Malacca-strait, as well as the Pacific, starving China of crucial supplies like hydrocarbons and raw materials. Industrial productivity will go down.

Step 2) Massive air campaign to take out the Chinese air force and SEAD operations - Chinese air force is the weakest of all three. 3 US CBG in the South China sea, 2 off-shore Japan, and 1 in Bay of Bengal. Air operations will be supported by friendly countries like India, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, the Philippines, and Saudi Arabia.

Step 3) Air raids on the industrial sector, runaways and harbours - Essentially crippling the country from producing more weaponry. At this stage, any country is pretty-much defeated.

Step 4) Gradual chipping away of territory, balkanization - China, now economically as well as militarily weak will be vulnerable to militancy and rebellion. Occupied areas like Tibet, Xinjiang will be first to be separated. Furthur degradation will happen as China with its massive population falls into a massive economic crisis and inflation.

Question - Yeah, it all sounds good, but what if it turns nuclear? Will China not use nuclear bombs?
Answer - All countries who possess weapons of mass destruction (including Pakistan) understands that it is more like a mutual suicide button. So its threshold of use is very high (like attacking and occupying a large area of the country).
The trick is to never let the country feel such external crisis and threat to the civilian population. If the country thinks it can live for another day and try again, they will choose to do so rather than forfeiting any chance of survival.
So, boots-on-the-ground on the Chinese mainland is a complete no-no.

Only unknown would be whether Ruskies will step in.....unlikely but they might actually rip some parts out of China for themselves. I think it would be relatively easy win for US to destroy China rather than invade but surely they will rip HK, Macau, Hainan and some other southern parts while India needs to go for Tibet in entirity and offer IA as guarantor for independent Tibet. Just typing it feels so good