India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Bhadra]

Do you guys think that most chinese soldiers would simply surrender because they are single child of their parents and chinese just like Indian expect expect their children to look after them in old age ??

No, do not take it that way.
Single child mostly means pampered child who will become a demanding soldier.

Pampered child means a protected child and less amenable to endure hardships.

Single child means - lot of anxiety amongst the population back home resulting in anti-war sentiments and political fall out.

Single Child means large losses of the male population in war will create gender imbalance in society effecting basic social institutions like marriage, family, procreation and population sustainment, lack of young labor and pressure on females to discharge social and economic functions. As it is China is imbalanced in terms of population matrix where the older population is a way more than young folks. It is not for nothing that PLA has gone in for large scale mechanization. PLA can no longer afford to manpower intensive.

One can study post-war USSR and East European societies and lots of Summers of 42 happenings there.

 

[cereal killer]

I think the Chinese Rocket Artillery threat is over hyped.
The usual norm is that rockets are unguided and missiles are guided.
But we have rockets also getting micro guidance systems to increase accuracy
mimicking guided missiles. Like our Guided Pinaka having Trajectory Correction System.

The Chinese put a lot of faith in MBRL systems and have numerous versions with range even approaching 200 km. They do have more MBRL systems compared to us. But the extra long range rocket artillery need not disturb us too much.

Usually these extra long range MBRL systems come with 8 or 12 tubes meaning that maximum number of rockets launched is 12 units. One casualty of increasing range of rockets is reduced accuracy. The longer the range the more the deviation from the target coordinates. Now after travelling 200km if the rockets land many hundreds of meters apart from each other the objective of raining concentrated firepower on a target is lost. So we don't know how accurate these extra long range rockets are and whether the Chinese have managed to have a low CEP for each rocket.

We have our own Prahaar Ballistic Missile system of 150 km range having 6 tube capability. I believe the range can be increased by reducing the warhead weight. By simply positioning two Prahaar missile batteries side by side we can salvo launch 12 missiles at the same target equalling one Chinese MBRL firing 12 rockets. And all the Prahaar missiles are fully guided with on board guidance systems including GPS and the target coordinates can be fed before launch.

Our old Prithvi missiles go up to 350km with a 500kg warhead. I am sure the long-range Chinese rocket artillery does not have 500kg warheads.

So we do have answers to the extra long range rocket artillery of the PLA.
Also if the Chinese start using hundreds of MBRL we can start using our Air force to target the launchers with stand off munitions.

I am sure this situation has been wargamed and answers kept ready by our Army.

Missile warfare.. Now that's an area we definitely need to improve. Both Prithvi & Prahaar are great options.. But I do hope we have the numbers here.. Coz Chinese have big big Armada of SRBMs. It can go either way here. But yes Air force is the deciding factor in all this.

 

[shade]

No, do not take it that way.
Single child mostly means pampered child who will become a demanding soldier.

Pampered child means a protected child and less amenable to endure hardships.

Single child means - lot of anxiety amongst the population back home resulting in anti-war sentiments and political fall out.

Single Child means large losses of the male population in war will create gender imbalance in society effecting basic social institutions like marriage, family, procreation and population sustainment, lack of young labor and pressure on females to discharge social and economic functions. As it is China is imbalanced in terms of population matrix where the older population is a way more than young folks. It is not for nothing that PLA has gone in for large scale mechanization. PLA can no longer afford to manpower intensive.

One can study post-war USSR and East European societies and lots of Summers of 42 happenings there.

Ching chongs have a large population of unmarried men though( gender imbalance brought on by one child policy, if you're allowed to only have one, you have a boy ), who cannot acquire a wife because they are too poor i guess

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars Nawaz Sharif in Live address says Last time Civillian and Political Rights were Trampled in Pakistan , it resulted in fall of Dhaka and Now it's happening again.

 

[shade]

Ya'll Nibbiars Nawaz Sharif in Live address says Last time Civillian and Political Rights were Trampled in Pakistan , it resulted in fall of Dhaka and Now it's happening again.

"Jernails chose Immy, not me "

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars : 6th Corps Commander level talks to be held tomorrow morning on Chinese side of Chushul-Moldo in presence of joint secretary of MEA.

 

[shade]

Ya'll Nibbiars : 6th Corps Commander level talks to be held tomorrow morning on Chinese side of Chushul-Moldo in presence of joint secretary of MEA.

Lag gaya panauti bc.

 

[Cheran]

Biscuits plz..

Braking: New faces in Corps Commander level talks likely to be held tomorrow between Indian and Chinese armies. -JS MEA Navin Srivastava, East Asia to be part of talks - An officer from Army HQ to be part of talks -Another Maj Gen part of formation added in Ladakh
@IndiaToday

 

[Hellfire]

yes pls..

I still don't understand why pics are not leaked..

surely IA is not playing by the honor code

What pics?

 

[Bhadra]

Nepal's claims are claims only however recruitment of Nepalis in Indian army is a problem for me,IA needs to be nudged by govt to abandon recruitment in Nepal as well as free visa regime & open borders need to be restricted,Nepal's GDP is less than Uttarakhand which oli & his minions are claiming,these are clowns ignore them but after some costs to pay

Why is Gorkha recruitment a problem to You ? What is the issue. Your Indian elite class is a shameless unpatriotic and very selfish lot. Tell me how many children of elite class join the Armed Forces?

Indian elites had abandoned the business of "Arms and The Man" long time back and that is one of the reasons of thousands years of slavery. Has that mentality and attitude to the profession of arms even today changed. The Moguls/ Muslims and then the British systematically destroyed the dignity and power of military leadership in the country. Our political and bureaucratic class in India has no affinity or proximity or association with the profession of bearing arms. Resultantly, the profession has been cast to the lowest status in our status-conscious hierarchy.

A perfect setting for someone from outside to take over once again under sword... it is not for nothing that Abdalis and Ghoris in Pakistan are confident of doing that yet again.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Ya'll Nibbiars : 6th Corps Commander level talks to be held tomorrow morning on Chinese side of Chushul-Moldo in presence of joint secretary of MEA.

MEA?

Ready ho jao bhaiyo, sab gains wapis karke chale aane k liye. Phirse MEA-giri.

Brace for Naya aaman Ka tamasha.

 

[DownWithCCP]

Ya'll Nibbiars : 6th Corps Commander level talks to be held tomorrow morning on Chinese side of Chushul-Moldo in presence of joint secretary of MEA.

Ee ka chutiyap hai? Why bring cuck MEA babus there, hope the Corps commander do the talking,the presence of this babu better not result in Haji-pir 2.0

 

[mokoman]

What pics?

He wants pics of dead chinese at Galwan.

I am not one to judge .

What ever floats your boat brothers.

 

[Suhaldev]

Ladakh's cold war

As the India-China standoff near winter, the armed forces ramp up abilities to sustain themselves through it. Who will win the game of logistics?

www.indiatoday.in

Well detailed article explaining how our logistics are being sustained and supplied to forward areas.

 

[Hellfire]

Interesting news fellas!

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Russia has started a military buildup in the far-East of its province near the Chinese border by citing tensions in the eastern strategic direction, Reuters has reported.

As per Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu the military reinforcements were sent to the far-east due to "tensions in the eastern strategic direction". The exact details of the troop mobilisation were not provided by the Defence Minister.

The eastern strategic direction refers to an area which "encompasses Russia's eastern border with China and the wider Asia-Pacific".

Besides the military buildup the Russian Defence Minister has also announced an upgrade of Russia's Northern Naval Fleet. The far-eastern region will also get 500 units of new modern military equipment.
The report quotes an analyst as saying that Russia is ensuring sufficient military deployment in the region in case a naval conflict between the United States and China spills over.

It should be noted that a few months ago Russia and China were embroiled in a war of words. After Russian officials had posted a video of 160th anniversary celebrations over the founding of Vladivostok on Weibo, Chinese officials quickly picked a bone with them by claiming that Vladivostok used to be Chinese territory in the 19th century.

Russia Starts Military Buildup In The Far East Near The Chinese Border

Russia has started a military buildup in the far-East of its province near the Chinese border by citing tensions in the eastern strategic direction, Reuters has reported

swarajyamag.com

China is coming there.

Hint:

Outer Mongolia - Trans-Siberian Rail Network - Century of Shame

 

[Hellfire]

The Chinese will use these helicopters for airborne assault on the heights occupied by the Indian Army. The SH version can carry 26 fully armed troops as well as provide supporting fire. The article I have linked talks via #rajfortyseven talks about the helicopter base at Lhasa being expanded with shelters for 24 helicopters ready and 24 more under construction. Separately there are reports of all new helipads being constructed all across the LAC from Ladakh to Arunachal. It looks like the Chinese strategy will be to use helicopters to insert troops into difficult terrain held by the IA.

#China #PLA #PLAGF aviation expanding #Lhasa heliport&LH brigade. 24 #Mi17V7,hangars have brown camo. Addl 24 larger hangars coming up, airstrip expanded to 1km, 15 buildings for living Accns provide for 2 addl tpt regts lift capability 2 inf bns. More:

Accelerated Lhasa heliport development poses a new threat to India

Airborne assault on heights will be slightly difficult to achieve. Even if troops were to slither down, a heli, in those areas, is heard approaching 10-15 minutes away

It shall be a "welcome to hell" for the heliborne troops.

The only thing that can be viably done by heliborne ops is to occupy unoccupied features/concentrate forces outside range of the point of interest, establish a firm base and to ultimately launch a physical assault from a firm base.

 

[Hellfire]

Can we use our Howitzers from Siachin as well, I think terrain is very tough, which won't enable us to do that.

The proper glacier is just a block of ice, which opens new crevasse every summers (sometimes winters) and is never constant.

To place an artillery gun or a Zu-23 or make a helipad for ALH, Cheetah, we do something called as pillaring.

It is basically creating a very firm base, usually at a height by accumulating snow and allowing it to harden into an ice pillar by keeping covered under old parachutes (which allows heat from sunlight to remain trapped and melt the loose snow and in night, the loose melting snow and ice hardens into rock hard ice as temperatures fall drastically).

This allows for basing the guns/landing of helis.

We had tried to test a Mi-17 landing in Northern Glacier on Bila Fond La, working over a month to create a helipad (there are specifications for each aircraft and the area we needed was large).

We failed. Every other day, a new crevasse opened, leaving us in doubt over the viability of the aircraft landing there safely.

No idea if it has been tried again

Similarly, 155 mm is slightly difficulty to be placed on glacier proper.

 

[Sehwag213]

@Hellfire

If China restores status quo of 30 Apr and Ind also does the same after vacating the new heights occupied , who do you think will the net winner in this scenario?

 

[Hellfire]

They don't have to put boots on Siachen, they can bomb our base there or use rocket arty strikes. They have a rocket that can fire from a distance of 175+ km.

Quite interesting to see the effects of a rocket, artillery round in glacier, when it is snowing

You literally hear a thud and a spout of snow flashes upwards and outwards .....

now air bursts are a bit nasty, I agree. But then, ice caves are the way to survive them

 

[Hellfire]

@Hellfire

If China restores status quo of 30 Apr and Ind also does the same after vacating the new heights occupied , who do you think will the net winner in this scenario?

Who do you think will be?

The GoI will be the loser - for sure.