India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Cheran]

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars First take away. 1. Shies away from emphatically putting across Indian Viewpoint of McMahon Line being the border by saying that border has not been delineated. That is precisely what every successive GoI has done including present.

@Hellfire.

 

[Sanglamorre]

The Chinese intention is to settle the border. They thought they could take the last strategic positions that IA could overtake to threaten G219 or Chinese infra in that region. Their intention was to scare India by bringing their troops and a possible skirmish coupled with pressure at home via proxies to settle the border according to them so they can concentrate on SCS next year onwards or atleast keep India quiet till they can come back.

They still harbour this thought. Their main weapon is the possibility of war in a torn economy, like the sword of Damocles hanging overhead, if a true war starts that band aid will rip off.

However, they're stuck now.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Ya'll Nibbiars First take away. 1. Shies away from emphatically putting across Indian Viewpoint of McMahon Line being the border by saying that border has not been delineated. That is precisely what every successive GoI has done including present.

@Hellfire.

Yeah, we weren't expecting any bombastic, aggressive, or very committed statement from kOi nAHi GhUSsA admin.

We will defend at all costs, we will not fall back is... boilerplate statements. Even traitors Congress would have said the same and did. BJP means it however, that's true.

But yeah, nothing groundbreaking. Increasingly seems the Moscow deal might have been brokered after all. That's why we're seeing some re-investments of Chinese in Indian companies again, like Flipkart. Businessmen have got the memo probably.

It'll be a permanent winter deployment from now on in LAC though

 

[Lancer]

Biowarfare: China & Pakistan Secretly Joined Hands For Testing Deadly Pathogens! - odishabytes

New Delhi/Beijing: Under the garb of China’s ambitious Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology and Pakistan Army’s Defence Science and Technology Organisation are allegedly conducting experiments on deadly pathogens to expand potential bio-warfare capabilities. An...

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Biowarfare: China & Pakistan Secretly Joined Hands For Testing Deadly Pathogens!

I'm saying it even now, once this China situation is sorted out (even if temporarily due to too much snow in passes) - we should use that lab as a basis for a false flag bio attack and respond by taking over PoJK w/ all the men and material accumulated in North..

 

[shade]

Yeah, we weren't expecting any bombastic, aggressive, or very committed statement from kOi nAHi GhUSsA admin.

We will defend at all costs, we will not fall back is... boilerplate statements. Even traitors Congress would have said the same and did. BJP means it however, that's true.

But yeah, nothing groundbreaking. Increasingly seems the Moscow deal might have been brokered after all. That's why we're seeing some re-investments of Chinese in Indian companies again, like Flipkart. Businessmen have got the memo probably.

It'll be a permanent winter deployment from now on in LAC though

Flipkart is as Indian rn as Amazon is lol.
FK incorporated in Singapore, Walmart has majority stake, most shares owned by foreign cos.
Tencent paisa also put in the Singapore incorporated "parent" company.
Their original Indian founder CEOs are all gone by now

 

[asingha94]

In English pls, i no understand Xue Xue Hua Piao language

nvm, googre transrate berow

 

[garg_bharat]

The Chinese intention is to settle the border. They thought they could take the last strategic positions that IA could overtake to threaten G219 or Chinese infra in that region. Their intention was to scare India by bringing their troops and a possible skirmish coupled with pressure at home via proxies to settle the border according to them so they can concentrate on SCS next year onwards or atleast keep India quiet till they can come back.

They still harbour this thought. Their main weapon is the possibility of war in a torn economy, like the sword of Damocles hanging overhead, if a true war starts that band aid will rip off.

However, they're stuck now.

Settle the border? Chinese will never settle the border!

India should prepare itself for a nasty war.

 

[Synergy]

In order to justify that to be an intention we need to establish that that was any indication of offensive by India in terms of statement, action, deployment, new raising or some significant military activity that made china react to thwart any offensive plan. But from India's side, there was so such thing.


Well this plausible intention. If China has spread Corona virus with this intention then backing it up with a military threat is a highly probable cause. But that does not explain the choice of Ladak and areas opposite Aksai Chin to be specific. Why not Sikkim or Uttarakhand?


That so far is is the most reasonable of intentions you have stated because most of the factors you can relate to DSDBO road. But justify that DSDBO road is worth this much of a threat and a risk of deterioration of relation can be taken rationally by China on that count.


Nothing is required to be justified if that is taken as the intention of China.


That can be shown in many other ways , much cheaper and much less riskier.


etc.
all have failed miserably. now they are trying to discourage us from launching offensive.

still now, it's proved that all of their wargames are based on, we won't retaliate and no firing will take place. as at the moment we retaliated, they didn't know what to do.
just think, haphazardly calling some fight club instructors and members, providing some martial art weapons, changing some generals, what do these mean?

I may be wrong, but it looks like, it's nothing but a try to intimidate.

they are $hit scared and praying and hoping we will not retaliate militarily.

(may be I'm missing something).

No you gave good "possible intentions" . all PLA actions such as Choice of sectors and points of Intrusions, force levels, timing, sequence of events, implicit intentions like statements of laedership and propganda by Global Times , all should fit well into achiving one goal.. then one can say that was the most probable intentions.

Say for example, thre are three divisions there - so what spectacular PLA can achieve with that? How and in what manner they employed that force... etc will lead us somewhere..

But well tried..

Thank you Sir.

1. prelude
-> it's our official stand that gb and Aksai area belong to us.
-> Balakot incident showed that our mentality is transforming from defensive to offensive (be it defensive offence).
-> Pak is in very bad shape and unable to counterweight us anymore.
-> removal of Art 370.
-> US dependence on Pak will end as soon as they will leave Afg. then US may side with us. so no more US pressure to leave gb as it is.

2. why Ladakh
-> G219 runs through Aksai and Karakoram highway through GB.
-> cutting Karakoram highway will mean they will be cutoff (if blockade at Malacca).
-> dsdbo road
-> again removal of Art 370.
-> we've broke backbone of terrorists in J&K.
-> UN reso on J&K

 

[Sanglamorre]

Settle the border? Chinese will never settle the border!

India should prepare itself for a nasty war.

What good does it do to them to not settle the border? I'm sure they want to settle, after they've taken the points that want to.

However, not like they'll be able to.

 

[garg_bharat]

What good does it do to them to not settle the border? I'm sure they want to settle, after they've taken the points that want to.

However, not like they'll be able to.

Border will never be settled by war. Border will be settled only once communist are defeated in Beijing.

 

[mandestiny]

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Hindi .. kuch smagh main nahin aya

 

[LDev]

Indians are good at making alliances to achieve political goals. Just look at India's domestic coalition politics or the alliances between Indian kingdoms to reshape the sub-continent. We were never timid about political/military alliances.

NAM itself was a Nehruvian half-assed attempt at creating a political bloc that's amorphous and democratized. Kinda like the "third front" that Indian chotu-motu parties keep propping up. It blew up on his face when NAM didn't support him in 1962.

If the Americans offered to simply coordinate action against China with the goal of realizing a free and open Indo-Pacific (their fvcking slogan), then India would have jumped in way back in May. Something changed. American sweet-talking in India's favor stopped. It's because we told America "bhaiyya, dene ka bhav bolo."

Overt US signs of support such as the B-2s in Diego Garcia and the PASSEX exercises with the IN were done IMO at a time when the Indian defence in Ladakh was not complete and was a bulwark and warning to China not to push in further. Now that the Indian defence preparations are complete the decisions on how to confront China can be more deliberate. Clearly there is coordination between the US and India e.g. the US-Maldives defence cooperation agreement which has been welcomed by India. The conversation that the US defense secretary Esper had with the Bangladesh PM, the 2+ 2 dialogue between the FMs and DMs of both countries scheduled in the next few weeks, the expected signing of BECA, the expected leasing of US drones, because leasing them as opposed to negotiations to buy them is the fastest way to induct them, are all indications of coordination on how to confront China now that the fear of a deeper Chinese intrusion into Indian territory has been mitigated.

 

[shade]

What good does it do to them to not settle the border? I'm sure they want to settle, after they've taken the points that want to.

However, not like they'll be able to.

Border will be settled according to them when they manage to take AP, Sikkim, Ladakh and maybe UK/HP also, with J&K being gifted to their vassal state, and accordingly that is also when India will be fully defanged and not threatening at all to their interests.

We are only a thorn in their side right now because further plans of land grab in Pangong region have been nipped in the bud, which was NOT ACCORDING TO PLAN, plan was no Indian reaction, because corona, because economy gone, because "big dick 2nd superpower grabs your land, whachu gon do?".

Short of any offensive action by us to retake the fingers, or yet another surprise attack by them with small arms, artillery and bombings, they can sit on their meager holdings and come back next year, or the year after that for more landgrabs on some other part of the Eastern border.

The spate of Chinese landgrabs has been continuous over the years, it will not stop anytime soon, no matter how much Alibaba and Tencent money is poured into randu startups, or no matter how many Xiaomeme type phones sell, and no matter how many Jhula Jhuli Coconut water sessions take place.

The stick is the only cure for the Han virus.

kOi GhUsSA NaHi only works if you're Cong and you can suppress news of Chongese land grabs of Indian territory.

 

[omaebakabaka]

No ground lost in Depsang but India hasn’t accessed large parts for 15 years
Top officer says Indian patrolling points in area blocked since April; Army steps up presence, on alert to foil any ingress attempt elsewhere along LAC.

No ground lost in Depsang but India hasn’t accessed large parts for 15 years

Top officer says Indian patrolling points in area blocked since April; Army steps up presence, on alert to foil any ingress attempt elsewhere along LAC.

indianexpress.com

Wtf, ye pichli govt ne kitney fuck up maary hai? Most of the territory lost was decade back, us time kya masti kar rahi thi UPA and this again shows how pathetic Indian defences journalists are, most of the don't even have basic knowledge what is lost and when but will keep on blabbering real issue is Depsang.

kahawat hai na "Ghar ka chor ko tho eeshwar bhi pakad nahi paayege" -- hope S.Swamy can

 

[omaebakabaka]

Mostly a preemptive defensive deployment to secure Akshai Chin with a twist of salami slicing without a fight....

Why is it that some of these locals in India so toothless whether it is Kashmiri pandits or Ladakhis or North Easterners, is it due to GOI under congress didn't give a crap? Why can't the locals step up like muzzies, it is after all their ancestors land? Somewhere there has to be red line for any person, maa, behan, dharti, gaon, desh and so on....must mean something? Isn't it normal reaction for locals to get revenge? If so why can't Indian GOI turn a blind eye and pump them with small arms to harass these bastards?

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars Chinese side should sincerely work with the Indian side for complete disengagement at the earliest from all friction areas including Pangong as well as de-escalation in border areas & not make further attempts to unilaterally change status quo: MEA.

 

[mokoman]

they know Hindi too. better if we don't speak.

Best to delete this entire website.

 

[Dessert Storm]

Settle the border? Chinese will never settle the border!

India should prepare itself for a nasty war.

Prepared.... Leopard is on the prowl

 

[Shashank Nayak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajya_Sabha wikipedia has a nice little chart showing RS seats

NDA 117( BJP 87 )

UPA 60( Cong 40 )

Opposition total 127

So in essence it's 117 vs 127

TRS and YSR CONG are all available for a deal..