India-China 2020 Border conflict

[ezsasa]

A more nuanced way of looking at things.
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For all those qtning "why India" in Quad (or any other Western alliance) - India puts soldiers, ships, aircraft in harms way agnst the Chinese. It has tied up 200k PLA troops (+ n # of fighters/S400 batteries) on the Himalayas. No cntry is doing anythng remotely close..

 

[ezsasa]

Looks like India is happy doing what it can to help others.
many examples like this cowin, our influence is not predatory or economic, it's more focussed on soft power.
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Over 50 countries show interest in CoWIN, India ready to share open source software free: R S Sharma

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Looks like India is happy doing what it can to help others.
many examples like this cowin, our influence is not predatory or economic, it's more focussed on soft power.
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Over 50 countries show interest in CoWIN, India ready to share open source software free: R S Sharma

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

But how helpful is this soft power? And in which way

 

[ezsasa]

But how helpful is this soft power? And in which way

its more to do with kind of budget we have for influence operations, can’t have China/US type influence ops with India MEA budget.

 

[Crazywithmath]

When every Tom, Dick and Harry become foreign policy experts.
Also, what's up with this strange fetishistic comparison with Coronaland? This perception was first floated by a bunch of western media houses who propagated back in the early 2000s that India for some strange reasons would overnight become the next China just because India was a democracy!!
India will not become the next China. It is not possible in our current system. And yet we will counter them while simultaneously growing by making an example out of ourselves. Deal with it! Live with it!
The world does not need Basudeva Kutumbakam nonsense.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

When every Tom, Dick and Harry become foreign policy experts.
Also, what's up with this strange fetishistic comparison with Coronaland? This perception was first floated by a bunch of western media houses who propagated back in the early 2000s that India for some strange reasons would overnight become the next China just because India was a democracy!!
India will not become the next China. It is not possible in our current system. And yet we will counter them while simultaneously growing by making an example out of ourselves. Deal with it! Live with it!
The world does not need Basudeva Kutumbakam nonsense.

How are you planning to counter them economicaly?

 

[Crazywithmath]

How are you planning to counter them economicaly?

Not possible. They are the early starters. For examples they started implementing reforms on the lines of our newly enacted farm bills from the late 70s. By 1980 they were mostly done with reforms. However, they dragged on with the proposal of joining WTO (which seriously restricts nations from subsidising domestic manufacturing against exports) and only joined towards the early 2000s (don't remember the exact year). The decades in between the 80s and 2010 were the era of globalisation. The much touted Asian tiger economies all flourished in that time frame. We were the late entrants. The world is turning more protectionist now. Even if we copy all their systems (not possible for a liberal democracy like India) we won't get that growth. We don't have that luxury.
It won't stop us from attaining high growth though. Nascent signs are visible. If we play our cards right we have another two decades of high growth left. I know it is not a good comparison but Soviet even with their limited budget actively countered US back in the cold war days.
Anyways, growth will slow down in China from now on and it is inevitable. No one grows for the eternity. The gap will start decreasing too.

 

[Jimih]

Both India and China Move Tens of Thousands of Troops to the Border As Tensions Rise

China and India move tens of thousands of troops to the border as tensions rise

A year ago in the Galwan Valley, the two countries saw their bloodiest confrontation in decades, in which 20 Indian soldiers and four Chinese troops died.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Raaakisazih]

Both India and China Move Tens of Thousands of Troops to the Border As Tensions Rise

China and India move tens of thousands of troops to the border as tensions rise

A year ago in the Galwan Valley, the two countries saw their bloodiest confrontation in decades, in which 20 Indian soldiers and four Chinese troops died.

www.newsweek.com

Which is the best front and time for india to open fire

 

[mist_consecutive]

Which is the best front and time for india to open fire

Location:- Galwan
Time:- Last year June 15

 

[omaebakabaka]

Not possible. They are the early starters. For examples they started implementing reforms on the lines of our newly enacted farm bills from the late 70s. By 1980 they were mostly done with reforms. However, they dragged on with the proposal of joining WTO (which seriously restricts nations from subsidising domestic manufacturing against exports) and only joined towards the early 2000s (don't remember the exact year). The decades in between the 80s and 2010 were the era of globalisation. The much touted Asian tiger economies all flourished in that time frame. We were the late entrants. The world is turning more protectionist now. Even if we copy all their systems (not possible for a liberal democracy like India) we won't get that growth. We don't have that luxury.
It won't stop us from attaining high growth though. Nascent signs are visible. If we play our cards right we have another two decades of high growth left. I know it is not a good comparison but Soviet even with their limited budget actively countered US back in the cold war days.
Anyways, growth will slow down in China from now on and it is inevitable. No one grows for the eternity. The gap will start decreasing too.

It is quite possible, increase tax base and force the system into formal employment. This itself will add 20 to 50% to GDP at the minimum. Focus on value added manufacturing and also labor intensive ones to employ females in factories. Females are lot better at some jobs than men. They can look at district level development from a manufacturing side but with strict regulations not to ruin our women that still keep to roots....other is focus on high tech ones, ship building and few other heavy metal ones that build labor skills over time. All focus needs to be on export driven and not textile or agri or raw material businesses.

 

[Raaakisazih]

Location:- Galwan
Time:- Last year June 15

We missed it alas

 

[omaebakabaka]

We missed it alas

Plenty to come in near future, both are building up now that slicing is being challenged ever more kinetically. Our leadership seems relaxed and confident vs Chinese actions....a projected super power building on that scale shows its insecurity

 

[Jimih]

Which is the best front and time for india to open fire

Our MEA and Govt are Cucked Ones of First Order.

They are still contemplating and wild guessing that whether Pakistan was behind Jammu drone attacks or not.

What else can you expect from the top leadership?

PLA told IA in the last WMCC meeting that, "be happy with what you got/kept"

Thats why so much Troops movement from both sides in last few days.

 

[Raaakisazih]

Our MEA and Govt are Cucked Ones of First Order.

They are still contemplating and wild guessing that whether Pakistan was behind Jammu drone attacks or not.

What else can you expect from the top leadership?

PLA told IA in the last WMCC meeting that, "be happy with what you got/kept"

Thats why so much Troop movement from both sides in last few days.

Man MEA is cucked leadership us cucked how can you think of being a superpower if PLA refused to move from that area then there should have been a bloodbath but looks like i am expecting too much
Can war be the reason behind troop movement

 

[omaebakabaka]

Our MEA and Govt are Cucked Ones of First Order.

Lol, on a macro scale its true in India context but more important is they need to formulate a mitigation and put measures in place and then device a retaliation strategy. These type of attacks should have been anticipated, I am more worried if this were to be attempted on important bases like Rafale. Someone's negligence here on not anticipating these threats before hand and have a retaliation plan....unbelievable after pulwama and other attacks

What else can you expect from the top leadership?

I think this is intelligence and mid level failure or under performance and possibly negligence

 

[Jimih]

Man MEA is cucked leadership us cucked how can you think of being a superpower if PLA refused to move from that area then there should have been a bloodbath but looks like i am expecting too much
Can war be the reason behind troop movement

Many reasons for sudden surge in Troops movement from Indian side:

*Centenary celebrations of CPC.
*Recent massive PLA exercises in Tibet.
*accumulation of PLA troops and construction of hard shelters along LAC near Eastern Ladakh
*or our ISR picked something ominous and disturbing.

 

[Raaakisazih]

Many reasons for sudden surge in Troops movement from Indian side

*Centenary celebrations of CPC.
*Recent massive PLA exercises in Tibet.
*accumulation of PLA troops and construction of hard shelters along LAC near Eastern Ladakh
*or our ISR picked something ominous and disturbing.

Then war is inevitable reason why pakistan is so active right now after US gets out of Afghanistan war will happen and we will have to face Pakistan and china and taliban too

 

[omaebakabaka]

Then war is inevitable reason why pakistan is so active right now after US gets out of Afghanistan war will happen and we will have to face Pakistan and china and taliban too

Americans being there has no impact on India Pak war....Taliban wont do shit other than some random kidnappings....its actually gameover for Pakistan if they go to war....China also will not come out of it without getting big injuries. Everyone will see their vulnerabilities

 

[Jimih]

Then war is inevitable reason why pakistan is so active right now after US gets out of Afghanistan war will happen and we will have to face Pakistan and china and taliban too

Iam anticipating major skirmishes in the months of April/May 2024.

Before that only buildup and preparations.

Right now their are many active Friction Points for major conflict/war in the World.