India-China 2020 Border conflict

[LondonParisTokyo]

Om Shanti. It took 40 years for a government to take power to realize "Oh ****. We are unprepared!" and then continue to move glacially to increase preparedness

 

[fire starter]

 

[maximus777]

Expect more incursions into Taiwan airspace and territorial waters. This would be ungli-fying Xi and I suspect the response from CCP will be more than just posturing if Taiwan goes through with the threat.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Expect more incursions into Taiwan airspace and territorial waters. This would be ungli-fying Xi and I suspect the response from CCP will be more than just posturing if Taiwan goes through with the threat.

 

[shade]

in a nutshell i am saying that there is more than the no of guns and boats you have in a war,it also matters what culture,mentality each side has and it can be observed in many cases that fanaticism of any kind,tribalism,etc for nation,tribe,religion,etc can really help a side and make it last and take much more punishment than on paper would seem possible as it can motivate the fighters to fight harder and the non military civilians not to poke their state to surrender and withdraw.

the west in general in the current age depend upon their no of advanced systems and tech to keep you at bay,but if you somehow get over this mental and material barrier with a sufficient if not equal amt of equipment of your own of good enough quality and/or hardy fighting mentality,suddenly they get unsure and sweat and get cold feet.

in other words degenerate coomer types dont make good warfighters,especially in wars that last very long and/or against a pop that is motivated by a transindental value other than material conditions that promotes fanaticsm.the only soln is to use ultra violent force like that of america 1945 against japan or britain against dresden.but this is not that america,this is 2021 america,this is coomer america.

Basically no Americunt will die for FrEeDuMb oF NaViGaTiOn you mean to say.

It's truly a pity we are incapable of giving the Chungs a fight that they deserve materiel/equipment-wise.

China is completely different from the Soviet Union.
It is difficult to deal with China like the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union invested heavily in military affairs and heavy industry. China's military expenditure accounts for only 1.3% of GDP. It is difficult to bring China down by military competition. The tax revenue of China's tobacco industry is higher than that of military expenditure.

China is the largest producer of consumer goods, while the Soviet Union is short of consumer goods and daily necessities.


The main exports of the Soviet Union are natural resources and weapons, which are easily targeted. Low oil prices could cripple the Soviet economy. China is the largest trading partner of more than 140 countries in the world. It is already the largest single market for goods in the world. The level of American executives has not stopped China's exports. In the first three months of this year, China's imports and exports reached a record totaled $1.3 trillion, with a trade surplus of more than $100 billion.

Daily reminder friends, "Soviet Union" is a trigger word for wu mao's and their CCP masters, it causes more PTSD in them than it caused to Russians.

Since USSR collapsed, the CCP always lives under the fear that the PRC is next on the menu.
Which is why they have been gaming the west like this with their "large market" and "factory of the world" memes, it's their insurance policy.

 

[notaname]

 

[notaname]

 

[indiatester]

No way our top brass will make such statements.
They are usually very measured. If CDS indeed made such statement, it means a big game is afoot.
The journos are prescreened and usually have to go through a lot of hoops to publish and must have blessing.

 

[shade]

Hope they back up these big talks sometime.

 

[mokoman]

his others comments are also interesting

China's 'shove and push' tactic did not work with India, we got international support: CDS Gen Bipin Rawat

Chief of Defence Staff General Bipin Rawat said on Thursday that China felt that doing a little bit of "shove and push" will help them compel nations to give in to their demands. He added that India stood firm on the northern borders, proving that "we will not get pushed".

www.indiatoday.in

China's "shove and push" tactics to compel nations to give in to their demands did not deter India in Ladakh, Chief of Defence Staff General Bipin Rawat said on Thursday.

"China attempted to say that it is my way or no other way. Such nature of undeclared war will place dilemma in minds of decision-makers, whether to resort to kinetic force and thus be labelled as aggressor," Gen Rawat added.

Gen Rawat said China tried to change the status quo by use of "disruptive technology without using force".
"As of now, they have not used force and they thought India as a nation will succumb to the pressures. They are putting pressure on us because of the technological advantage they have," he added.

Gen Rawat said, "I think unconventional means of conflict employed by clever use of disruptive technologies could actually paralyse networks causing breakdowns of systems, banking, power grids, transportation, communication."

is he saying china was behind/tried cyber attack ?

 

[notaname]

his others comments are also interesting

China's 'shove and push' tactic did not work with India, we got international support: CDS Gen Bipin Rawat

Chief of Defence Staff General Bipin Rawat said on Thursday that China felt that doing a little bit of "shove and push" will help them compel nations to give in to their demands. He added that India stood firm on the northern borders, proving that "we will not get pushed".

www.indiatoday.in

China's "shove and push" tactics to compel nations to give in to their demands did not deter India in Ladakh, Chief of Defence Staff General Bipin Rawat said on Thursday.

"China attempted to say that it is my way or no other way. Such nature of undeclared war will place dilemma in minds of decision-makers, whether to resort to kinetic force and thus be labelled as aggressor," Gen Rawat added.

Gen Rawat said China tried to change the status quo by use of "disruptive technology without using force".
"As of now, they have not used force and they thought India as a nation will succumb to the pressures. They are putting pressure on us because of the technological advantage they have," he added.

Gen Rawat said, "I think unconventional means of conflict employed by clever use of disruptive technologies could actually paralyse networks causing breakdowns of systems, banking, power grids, transportation, communication."

is he saying china was behind/tried cyber attack ?

This is second time he has talked about or hinted about cyber security so we can safely assume china launched many cyber attacks on India mainly on electricity grid and banking infra.

 

[DownWithCCP]

This is second time he has talked about or hinted about cyber security so we can safely assume china launched many cyber attacks on India mainly on electricity grid and banking infra.

This is the best news I have heard, you know why? Cause out of all the attacks that happened only one of them(Mumbai grid) had some impact, either the PLA is incompetent or India's critical assets have been secured and are being audited properly and regularly.

 

[notaname]

This is the best news I have heard, you know why? Cause out of all the attacks that happened only one of them(Mumbai grid) had some impact, either the PLA is incompetent or India's critical assets have been secured and are being audited properly and regularly.

No there is difference between what we heard and what was the impact if you see in recent time there has been quite downtime for banks system specially (BHIM) so it may be getting affected or the military infra may have been affected overall we don't know the total impact yet.

 

[DownWithCCP]

No there is difference between what we heard and what was the impact if you see in recent time there has been quite downtime for banks system specially (BHIM) so it may be getting affected or the military intra may have been affected overall we don't know the total impact yet.

Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence or mismanagement. In any case there are no reports by CERT-IN or any other Incident Response orgs.

 

[notaname]

Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence or mismanagement. In any case there are no reports by CERT-IN or any other Incident Response orgs.

No they will never release if even it happened that's why I am using "maybe" we can't be certain about these types of attacks so the best way to deal is always go with worst scenario.

 

[sorcerer]

Why is China more and more nervous? - Northlines

The Tibetan nation still lives under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, and Beijing today has a guilty conscience; this creates a great uneasiness for Xi Jinping and his colleagues observes Claude Arpi.

Why is China more and more nervous? - Northlines

Claude Arpi The Tibetan nation still lives under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, and Beijing today has a guilty conscience; this creates a great uneasiness for Xi Jinping and his colleagues observes Claude Arpi. Despite the fact that the Chinese propaganda machinery is relentlessly...

www.thenorthlines.com

 

[Lost user]

yes,practically it is not a defeat but technically it is a defeat.no one in their right minds thinks that the afghan taliban can beat any decent army in a proper war.look what happened to them at our borders in the 90s.they went extinct.

British empire withdrew from Afghanistan, after defeating the afghans in the second Anglo afghan war, and humiliating them with the treaty of Gandamak, which gave away KPK, and some other parts to the British.. and handed over all foreign policy decision making power to the British..
The current rule is simple.. Without taking care of Pakistan first , you cannot completely defeat the Taliban. Yes, you might defeat the Taliban in all battles.. but after some R&R (Rest and Recuperation) in Pakistan for some time, they will be back to harass your forces..

 

[Foxbat]

It's ok to exaggerate at times for a bit of propaganda, but telling blatant lies is not a good idea.

Can any Chinaman prove this is not a lie?

The Xian H-6 (Chinese: 轰-6; pinyin: Hōng-6) is a licence-built[1] version of the Soviet Tupolev Tu-16 twin-engine jet bomber, built for China's People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_H-6

The Tupolev Tu-16 first flew in 1954! Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-16

 

[Maitreya Shyam]

 

[DownWithCCP]

Inshallah I am afghan taliban supporter if this happens.