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http://indiatoday.intoday.in/index....=view&id=34071&sectionid=83&issueid=99&latn=2

Weapons of choice
Sandeep Unnithan
March 27, 2009




Delhi: Russia’s near-monopoly over the Indian arms market seems to be coming to an end, thanks to the armed forces policy of placing a premium on performance and not cost.


Soon after Boeing’s $1.8-billion contract for eight P-8I Poseidon long-range naval maritime patrol aircraft—costlier than rival Airbus—the IAF is set to acquire six Airbus tankers.

Senior Defence Ministry officials confirmed that a 1-billion euro contract for six Airbus A-330 multi-role tanker-transports is close to being finalised. This despite the makers of the Russian IL-78 tanker, six of which the IAF has in service, offering a lower bid.

The IAF chose Airbus for its larger fuel load and its dual transport capability. This decision has a bearing on the world’s largest defence contract—the IAF’s acquisition of 126 medium-range fighter aircraft worth over $10 billion where Russia’s MiG-35 is a low-cost option.
 

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This decision has a bearing on the world’s largest defence contract—the IAF’s acquisition of 126 medium-range fighter aircraft worth over $10 billion where Russia’s MiG-35 is a low-cost option.
I can't imagine what bearing!!! Can anybody elaborate the possibilities please???
 
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the Europeans hope same decision will be made in MRCA ,going with a European plane even though the cost is higher.
 

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Not everyday is Sunday... they ought to realise that!!! I just feel its a bit of over-enthusiastic journalism (about the highlighted part)...
 

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I have a query maybe not relevant to this thread, do we have refueler Su 30MKI? I remember reading some article about it.
 

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Good choice. IL-78 are good planes, but it's delivery has already been delayed once. There's a lot of problems between Uzbekistan and Russia.


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/il-76.htm
However, the mass production of IL-76 family at TAPO in early 2000s fell into serious problems. This is mainly due to reductions in the factory: If at the end of the 1980's in the TAPO employed 50 thousand people, by 2005 it was less than 10 thousand This has affected the performance of a number of contracts. In particular, for a year and a half was delayed assembly of three Il-76MD-90 for the manufacture on the basis of their long-range radar detection aircraft A-50EI for India. Only in January 2008 (instead of summer 2006), the first of three cars went to Israel to install its Phalcon radar and onward transmission to the Indian Air Force. According to a September 2005 contract between Rosoboronexport and China's Defense Ministry, worth $1.5 billion, Russia was supposed to deliver 34 Il-76 Candid medium-range military transport aircraft and four Il-78 Midas aerial refueling tankers. Delivery was planned for 2008-2012. The first deliveries under the contract were due to begin in 2007, but in March 2006, Uzbekistan's Tashkent Chkalov Aircraft Association, the manufacturer of the aircraft, refused to sign a production contract with Rosoboronexport at the contract price. The Tashkent plant had no large orders in the late 1990's and was without significant subsidies, and thus was unable to fulfill an agreement. According to TAPO, the real cost of assembling 38 aircraft was more than $ 400 million more than the contract price agreed with Beijing. As a result, the agreement was delayed, and Beijing suspended negotiations on this and several other military contracts with Russia.
I have a query maybe not relevant to this thread, do we have refueler Su 30MKI? I remember reading some article about it.


http://www.flight-refuelling.com/news/feb06/21stfeb_su30.htm
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The Su-30MKI has a range of 5,000 km with internal fuel which ensures a 4.5 hour combat mission. Also, it has an in-flight refueling (IFR) probe that retracts beside the cockpit during normal operation. The air refueling system increases the flight duration up to 10 hours with a range of 8,000 km at a cruise height of 11 to 13 km. Su-30 MKIs can also use the Cobham 754 buddy refueling pods.
 

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The article is something like this.
Su-30 MKIs can also use the Cobham 754 buddy refueling pods
I want to know is thier any refueler su 30mki in IAF service.
 

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The SH in the MRCA also has this "buddy-refuelling" option available. Dont know about the Rafale or the EF. Good thing to have in strike missions.

Payeng, there isn't any special tanker/refueller version. The MKI carrying the buddy (cobham) pods can act as refuellers for other MKIs.
 

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This decision to go for Airbus over Il 78 despite it's lower cost will be music to the ears of the Europeans and Americans. They now stand a good chance in the MMRCA deal. The SH will be the lead contender for it. Besides this Russia gas to be fought a few lessons for blackmailing/ arm twisting India over defense deals
 

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Payeng, there isn't any special tanker/refueller version. The MKI carrying the buddy (cobham) pods can act as refuellers for other MKIs.
That. And ofcourse the Su30 MKI can also be refuelled by IL-78 MKI ‘Midas’ tankers of the 78 Mid-Air Refuelling Squadron (MARS), capable of continuous all-weather standalone operations.
 

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This decision to go for Airbus over Il 78 despite it's lower cost will be music to the ears of the Europeans and Americans. They now stand a good chance in the MMRCA deal. The SH will be the lead contender for it. Besides this Russia gas to be fought a few lessons for blackmailing/ arm twisting India over defense deals
Yup, I second that...... days of Russian monopoly ae over.
 

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IAF is not going to solve the logistics problem anytime soon.

That is almost a big plane from every major agency known to make them, all they need now is a Tu XX :)
 

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The SH in the MRCA also has this "buddy-refuelling" option available. Dont know about the Rafale or the EF. Good thing to have in strike missions.
SH is not a desirable fighter.

Payeng, there isn't any special tanker/refueller version. The MKI carrying the buddy (cobham) pods can act as refuellers for other MKIs.
Yeah maybe but I haven't seen one in IAF case.
 

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On the contrary I'm vouching for the SH
 

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Well know about that thread. Just a mention in this one. It ends here
 

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That is almost a big plane from every major agency known to make them, all they need now is a Tu XX :)
Now that you mention it, the Tu-160 is the most beautiful bomber ever. :) Really sleek looking, and great performance.
Also probably the 2nd best bomber around, next to the B-2 Spirit.
 

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IAF drops Russia goes for EADS

Russia is set to lose a billion dollar (Rs 4,800 crore) defence deal for midair refuellers, signalling a break in its over 50-year-old monopoly as India’s preferred military supplier.

The former communist giant has clearly lost favour with the Indian military, as the air force has decided not to field any more Russian Ilyushin-78 refuellers to keep fighter jets airborne for considerably longer periods by tanking them up during flight.

After operating Il-78 tankers for almost six years, the Indian Air Force has said the Russian platform does not meet its requirements and it wants to deploy the Airbus A330 multi-role tanker transport (MRTT) offered by European aerospace corporation EADS.

The Il-78 and Airbus 330 MRTT were competing for the $1 billion global tender floated three years ago by the defence ministry for six midair refuellers to extend the operating radiuses of Indian fighter jets.

In an exclusive interview to HT, IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major said, “We have finished all evaluations and selected the A330 MRTT. The deal will come up for final approval by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) very soon. The Russian platform did not meet certain requirements.” The A330 MRTT is a military derivative of the Airbus A330 airliner.

Cracks in the India-Russia defence relationship have existed for some time now. Some of the irritants include Russia seeking mid-course price revisions in contracts for Sukhoi-30 fighters and aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov, a problem of steady supply of spares, poor vendor support after the disintegration of the Soviet Union and transfer of technology issues.

The air chief, who retires on May 31 on turning 62, said, “After the disintegration of the Soviet Union, Russia has changed the whole pattern of doing defence business. Now we are faced with issues concerning spares, vendor support and built-in delays in the structure of their centralised military corporations.”

Two years ago, Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta had publicly said that India needed to take a relook at its military relationship with Russia, much to the government’s discomfort. The armed forces maintain that Russian equipment comes cheap but entails huge maintenance costs.

The A330 MRTT has won several tanker competitions with contracts signed by the governments of United Kingdom, Australia, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. The first A330 MRTT would be delivered to the IAF within three years of signing of the deal while the remaining five would be inducted 15 months after that.



link :- hindustan times by rahul singh
 

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