IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[Assassin 2.0]

You must have been in hybernation in the last several years. Anyway, here are some materials to educate you:


And then


You see all these international media companies from Western to Middle Eastern, Asia, or Russoan are just looking for big news to investigate. But until now there's been no concrete evidence so far uncovered. No verified witnesses examined. The only ones insisting about this F16 saga are IAF officials (they're not without motive, they lost face) or ultranationalistic fanboys.

Just look at the laughable sometimes shocking news reports from Indian tvs passing off mig21 debris as F16 debris.

Don't worry.
India and Pakistan will see lots and lots of action in future and amazing thing is first target will be always junk - 16. S-400 mr - sam will love to take them down. It's just matter of time.
We know how capable our forces are they don't need to do anything for face saving.

In war time it showed. Even in 1999 when Pakistani army had a huge strategic advantage still we defeated them.

Western media and western world never accepted when india shot
The PNS/M Ghazi (S–130)[14] (previously USS Diablo (SS-479); reporting name: Ghazi), SJ, was a Tench-class diesel-electric and the first fast-attack submarine of the Pakistan Navy
But the fact is she is lying dead in indian ocean.
Western media to east work for there interest.
India for it's own.
In 1965 to same bullshit by foreign newspapers
Be my guest and do any human worshipping but don't speak shit about news and all.
It's a war so what Pakistan is able to take down one mig-21 after sending 20 jets failed to take down su-30mki. In conventional war india can overrun Pakistan anytime.

 

[Nicky G]

It lost a jet to poor Porkistan. Your air force leaders perhaps were punch drunk about the invinvibility of the IAF and MKI that it sleep walked its defenses against Porkistan. The lose of the Mig21 is a result of gungho and jingoistis and un professional airmanship. How can u attack an enemy without your wingman or without plan?

It would appear that the Pakistanis set up a trap.

Your standards of losing face are akin to that of teenager wishing to show who has bigger balls that have just dropped.

The overall objective of destroying terror training camps by penetrating deep into enemy territory, calling off the nuke bluff is much more significant than loss of an end of life jet. Our pilot is back and flying already.

Moreover, the poor afraid Porkies had to return our pilot within hours, they were so scared of our retaliation. They know their place.

Porkistans is not a serious force save on social media. Let them dance around and fool their inbred jehadi population. No one here cares a bit.

 

[Frontrunner]

It lost a jet to poor Porkistan. Your air force leaders perhaps were punch drunk about the invinvibility of the IAF and MKI that it sleep walked its defenses against Porkistan. The lose of the Mig21 is a result of gungho and jingoistis and un professional airmanship. How can u attack an enemy without your wingman or without plan?

It would appear that the Pakistanis set up a trap.

Lolx aren't u resorting to verbal diarrhea about IAF plans.. cooking things out of thin air of delusions to render urself look like a Muppet of highest order..

See the difference between the claims of PAF nd IAF... Iaf from the starting claimed one mig21 shot down with pilot missing in action nd one F-16 shot down further substantiated by radar imagery... See no propagandas.. no shambolic lies.. no continuous shifting of goalposts....

On the other hand u have propaganda air force PAF nd dgispr... Lied about use of f-16... Claimed jf17 shot down mig21.. lied about two pilots... lied about balakot (took 40 days to buiky on their spurious rhetorics)... Lied when awarded lower tamgha to pilot who supposedly shot down mighty SU30 mki... Lied to their awam about their incompetence... These are the shambolic lies coming from a professional force ... See for urself what credibility do pak have.. nada zilch.. a nation which is built on lies nd conspiracy theories... Wht else asinine one can expect...pakis whole armed forces are a propaganda tools.. they can only tweet nd do propaganda on tweeter.. instead of real fighting..

See we sliced off pakis jugular vein by revoking article 370.. the dream of Kashmir banega pottistan is now all but shattered dreams... Instead all pak armed forces could do is to cry nd squeal in Twitter .. rather than challenging India on battle field... Pakistan hv lost their marbles.. if they consider Kashmir as their territory.. than India has done an act of war by revoking article 370.. where is much touted PAF nd PAKISTAN ARMY?? afraid much about or busy selling cornflakes under fouji foundation???

It is India which has humiliated pakistan by launching offensive both militaraly nd diplomatically.. we have executed a reverse kargil on pakistan sans without any offensive.. CHANIKYA NITI... Nd all paki could do is to squeal nd whine Infront of world that india slapped them hard.. now what chooran martial race pakistan cornflakes army will sell to their dilusional awam?? Will they tell truth that they lost kashmir?? Or will resort to frivolous propaganda on twitter?? Umm later is the case.. nd it will be the same in future.. no power on earth can change status quo in Kashmir.. now Pakis are even shitting bricks in anticipation of loosing POK to the hand of Indian army.. less talk only walk.

 

[shankyz]

Gafoora caught with his pants down again

Now, I know where Paki internet trolls are hiding

 

[cyclops]

So much for Abhi shooting the F-16. The fourth missile...



View attachment 38532

Same fake wreckage different day.
No serial number. Nothing.

People beyond your peedeeeff are not as gullible.

Don't expect to think that people will simply forget the #DoosraBanda.

We know all the stupid inconsistencies in your story to ever fall for it.

Pakistani #FlipFlops #OpSwiftRetort -

1. 2 pilots with us (ISPR)
2. One Pilot
3. No F-16s used
4. Pilot died
5. Su30 kill (PAF)
6. F16 used (ISPR)
7 F-6B used (@ksrtfl)
8. F16A used
9. Su30 to 'claim' (PAF)
10. Only 1 kill by PAF (IK)

IAF - 1 F-16 shot down !

 

[Neptune]

Question for my Pakistani friends. @Dazzler and others.

So what has this Bollywood style awards fiasco yielded? Did Pakistan provide some groundbreaking evidence for the supposed SU-30MKI shootdown? Did they release satellite images of the crash? Radar recordings perhaps? Did they reveal HUD footage along with intercepted Indian radio chatter claiming they were missing a Sukhoi? Did Pakistan reveal the names of the pilots? Instead of some ambitious call sign that is probably fake and impossible for India to deny.


Exactly on what premise did Pakistan ever think they legitimately shot down an SU-30? The AMRAAM wreckage? This is a conspiracy many Pakistanis talk about especially on PDF. Natural a Mach 3 missile with a heavy warhead will be become shrapnel after it crashes and its warhead detonates. By this logic India can fire missiles across the LOC and then claim they shot down F-16s or JF-17s then build monuments and hold Bollywood style award shows idolizing pilots that did nothing.


I’m having a hard time understanding something. No Pakistani on PDF or on IDF or the Pakistani military could explain what happened to the SU-30 debris/pilots. Help me understand..... It’s a clear morning, many people heard aircraft overhead and consequently at least 3 different people from inside Pakistan captured the Mig-21 on film crashing down to earth. Many people, both civilians and soldiers also witnessed the event on both sides of the border. Yet zero people captured the SU-30mki crashing, no one witnessed any large fireball or smoke after the supposed crash, no one witnessed the pilots either; this is strange considering there is 1.3 billion people in India and 650 million cellular users. Furthermore, no one on the ground video taped the wreckage or pilots, no one reported even seeing anything, no one reported any debris being hauled away, no Indian soldiers came forward with pictures or eye witnesses accounts of any debris or pilots, no pilots were ever admitted to any hospitals.

Strange, it’s as if no SU-30 ever crashed or if it did it vanished into a black hole. Moreover, help me understand why India did not confiscate the pictures and video of the MI-17 wreckage from civilians. Why did they not block off hostile civilians from viewing the wreckage, after all it was outside an Indian military base. With all this in mind how does Pakistan and Pakistani people with a straight face keep claiming India is hiding an SU-30 crash?


Still no Pakistani has been able to answer any of these questions.

 

[varun9509]

Same fake wreckage different day.
No serial number. Nothing.

People beyond your peedeeeff are not as gullible.
View attachment 38542


Don't expect to think that people will simply forget the #DoosraBanda.

View attachment 38543

We know all the stupid inconsistencies in your story to ever fall for it.

Pakistani #FlipFlops #OpSwiftRetort -

1. 2 pilots with us (ISPR)
2. One Pilot
3. No F-16s used
4. Pilot died
5. Su30 kill (PAF)
6. F16 used (ISPR)
7 F-6B used (@ksrtfl)
8. F16A used
9. Su30 to 'claim' (PAF)
10. Only 1 kill by PAF (IK)

IAF - 1 F-16 shot down !

Add to that the most f**ked up statement of them all.

An Israeli flew Indian Su-30, was brought down and arrested, and died in their hospital.

I mean, just WOOW!!!

 

[asianobserve]

Same fake wreckage different day.
No serial number. Nothing.

People beyond your peedeeeff are not as gullible.
View attachment 38542


Don't expect to think that people will simply forget the #DoosraBanda.

View attachment 38543

We know all the stupid inconsistencies in your story to ever fall for it.

Pakistani #FlipFlops #OpSwiftRetort -

1. 2 pilots with us (ISPR)
2. One Pilot
3. No F-16s used
4. Pilot died
5. Su30 kill (PAF)
6. F16 used (ISPR)
7 F-6B used (@ksrtfl)
8. F16A used
9. Su30 to 'claim' (PAF)
10. Only 1 kill by PAF (IK)

IAF - 1 F-16 shot down !

Both sides are going nuts with propaganda by misrepresenting images and circu. While Porkistan leads the way in craziness and crude twisting of circumstances, India is not also immune:

 

[varun9509]

It lost a jet to poor Porkistan. Your air force leaders perhaps were punch drunk about the invinvibility of the IAF and MKI that it sleep walked its defenses against Porkistan. The lose of the Mig21 is a result of gungho and jingoistis and un professional airmanship. How can u attack an enemy without your wingman or without plan?

It would appear that the Pakistanis set up a trap.

Believe any bullshit you want to believe in, we don't give a crap.

In a 3:1 advantage, you choose the time and place of attack, you try to bomb establishment of the enemy -- fail at it, try to take on the biggest bird in the sky -- fail at it, get separated, get chased by the most inferior bird, get your best bird destroyed, and then get happy that you destroyed the most inferior bird in the air, and then spew bullshit about it just to save face, and lie about it multiple times just to keep the morale of your people.

Your loss in believing the side that has presented 10-15 different versions of the same incident, instead of believing the side that has been consistent in its statement.

ISME TERA GHATA, MERA KUCH NHI JAATA

 

[Narasimh]

It lost a jet to poor Porkistan. Your air force leaders perhaps were punch drunk about the invinvibility of the IAF and MKI that it sleep walked its defenses against Porkistan. The lose of the Mig21 is a result of gungho and jingoistis and un professional airmanship. How can u attack an enemy without your wingman or without plan?

It would appear that the Pakistanis set up a trap.

I did not know you were in the war room at AHQ that day!! your happy assumptions about our IAF tactics and leadership might make you sleep well but truth is far from it because as far as strategic goals are concerned, India achieved those.

Im little surprised having to explain this on a strategic forum to an "elite" member but anyways... Loss of a jet in any air battle does not imply the force is incapable or leaders were ill prepared. If that was the case, US airforce , Israeli air force and Russians should have closed shops long back as their jets/choppers have been shot down by so many of your poor countries like Syria, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iran etc. So, would you conclude they are ill prepared, incapable etc. by looking at the jets downed, buddy?

Coming to the fact about strategic accomplishments : Pak's nuke bluff called out and new order of response from India established for future operations.
And Pak releasing Abhi within 72 hrs was basically raising a white flag!

 

[Foxbat]

Pakistan has about 71 F-16s of which about 20 are the two seater versions. The two seater versions are more expensive and valuable as they can be used for training as well as combat. There is would have been a good reason to risk one of these more valuable assets in the conflict (i.e. need for a second pilot to act as a leader/co-ordinator of the Combat Air Patrol (CAP). Therefore I'm pretty sure there were two pilots in the plane.

Its strange the PAF is saying a two seater was used to shoot down an IAF plane but is only rewarding one pilot.
Why would they risk a two seater with only one pilot? (or probably hiding the name of one who was killed).

Also from the very beginning it was thought a two seater F-16 was shot down and Pakistan claimed having 3 pilots in custody or on the ground (Abhinandan + 2 more from a two seater aircraft), a statement which was later retracted. Many witnesses on the ground also mentioned two pilots ejecting from a single aircraft. All these cannot be coincidences, I strongly believe a two seater F-16 was shot down.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Guys, what do you think is actual number of airworthy F-16s available to Pak?

 

[Jameson Emoni]

It lost a jet to poor Porkistan. Your air force leaders perhaps were punch drunk about the invinvibility of the IAF and MKI that it sleep walked its defenses against Porkistan. The lose of the Mig21 is a result of gungho and jingoistis and un professional airmanship. How can u attack an enemy without your wingman or without plan?

It would appear that the Pakistanis set up a trap.

Cartel #KMKB .....................................................................

 

[angeldude13]

Both sides are going nuts with propaganda by misrepresenting images and circu. While Porkistan leads the way in craziness and crude twisting of circumstances, India is not also immune:

Have you seen the photos of parts of balochistan been carpet bombed by PAF?
They are good with hiding stuff. Only if you came out of your amreeki f-16 bias you will realise that these cunts hid osama binladen for almost a decade.
We have to bury their dead soldiers because they won't accept them. These are garbage people with sick mind.
You have no idea to which length they will go to hide the truth from the public.

 

[ataru09]

Hassan Siddiq Wearing a SU-30 Kill Patch

Comic Sans font. How appropriate for these jokers.

Also should be "it's" with an apostrophe.

 

[itsme]

Lo

That other aircraft video has been discussed ad infinitum. It's the Mig21 taken from another angle.

Lol, no. You haven't seen the latest analysis where that a/c was located falling in an entirely different location and it was before the mig 21. If you have the tim I can share that article with you.

 

[Longewala]

You must have been in hybernation in the last several years. Anyway, here are some materials to educate you:


And then


You see all these international media companies from Western to Middle Eastern, Asia, or Russoan are just looking for big news to investigate. But until now there's been no concrete evidence so far uncovered. No verified witnesses examined. The only ones insisting about this F16 saga are IAF officials (they're not without motive, they lost face) or ultranationalistic fanboys.

Just look at the laughable sometimes shocking news reports from Indian tvs passing off mig21 debris as F16 debris.

And guess what Napaki?
None of these meets your own bar for "evidence"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden_death_conspiracy_theories

Although the Abbottabad raid has been described in great detail by U.S. officials, no physical evidence constituting actual proof of his death has been offered to the public, neither to journalists nor to independent third parties who have requested this information through the Freedom of Information Act
..... And if course the body was "buried at sea"

So, pappu bhaijaan, do you agree Osama bin Laden is alive?

 

[Armand2REP]

Guys, what do you think is actual number of airworthy F-16s available to Pak?

I have heard their availability is extremely low, you can assume everything is in active squadrons all with a reduced combat readiness.

 

[Sanglamorre]

I have heard their availability is extremely low, you can assume everything is in active squadrons all with a reduced combat readiness.

So in all fairness, if a large scale battle does break out; F-16s might not be that much of a problem beyond the initial phases?

 

[Armand2REP]

So in all fairness, if a large scale battle does break out; F-16s might not be that much of a problem beyond the initial phases?

JF-17 is the new backbone of the PAF. The day of F-16s doing that job has been over for a few years now.