IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[ganesh177]

Indian Radar Data That Supposedly Proves They Downed An F-16 Is Far From "Irrefutable"
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...s-they-downed-an-f-16-is-far-from-irrefutable

 

[Aaj ka hero]

It's just a matter of recognizing and aligning your interests with the US and making the best out of your alliance with it. Sadly, our country has been so corrupt and the leaders so inept since Marcos that we were not able to capitalize on our alliance with the US for our economic benefit. But Japan, SOKOR, Singapore milked their alliance with the Americans well.

ARIGATO(thankyou) you are a phillipino you might know that.
I was waiting for your above comment, just because we need US market does not mean we will say their f-16 is marvelous "just to say you a fact.... mig-29 is more maneuverable than f-16, I wanted this mig to be on the action, thing would had turned mouthwatering".
The difference between South Korea, Japan, Philippines and India is population and that also young.
WE need US to grow not USA, you seemed to have not read completely what I wrote.
The Americans are coming here just because they want the slice of this market.
And everybody is concerned with this country future potential.
Regarding f-16 and pakistan nothing here is out of the question, IAF said it hit the target.
If we will not believe them, then Phillipines capital Manila people will believe IAF.
And you want us to believe ASSHOLE WESTERN BIASED MEDIA. That "Lara" has also written USA salespitch article on foreign policy by mocking us,she is saying IAF is junk. She is not correct, soooooo WHY YOU NOW WANT US TO BELIEVE Her now.
You have to read that article on foreign policy of hers.
Many counter articles too have been written by former Indian air force guys.
Man seriously you are behaving like
I don't want to believe sun rises from east because my money giver is saying sun rises from west.
YOU YOURSELF HAS BECAME PART OF THEIR PROPAGANDA in the lieu of wanting more information from us.
Though we don't have problem giving you more information but first completely remove that notion of
IAF IS DESIGNED TO GIVE ONLY THAT INFORMATION THAT IS DESIRABLE TO INDIAN PEOPLE.
It is not such "unprofessional" force nor it has track record of lying.

 

[asianobserve]

ARIGATO(thankyou) you are a phillipino you might know that.
I was waiting for your above comment, just because we need US market does not mean we will say their f-16 is marvelous "just to say you a fact.... mig-29 is more maneuverable than f-16, I wanted this mig to be on the action, thing would had turned mouthwatering".
The difference between South Korea, Japan, Philippines and India is population and that also young.
WE need US to grow not USA, you seemed to have not read completely what I wrote.
The Americans are coming here just because they want the slice of this market.
And everybody is concerned with this country future potential.
Regarding f-16 and pakistan nothing here is out of the question, IAF said it hit the target.
If we will not believe them, then Phillipines capital Manila people will believe.
And you want us to believe ASSHOLE WESTERN BIASED MEDIA. That "Lara" has also written USA salespitch article on foreign policy by mocking us,she is saying IAF is junk. She is not correct, soooooo WHY YOU NOW WANT US TO BELIEVE Her now.
You have to read that article on foreign policy of hers.
Many counter articles too have been written by former Indian air force guys.
Man seriously you are behaving like
I don't want to say SUN RISES FROM EAST BECAUSE MY MONEY MAKER IS SAYING SUN RISES FROM WEST.
YOU YOURSELF HAS BECAME PART OF THEIR PROPAGANDA in the lieu of wantingmore information from us.
Though we don't have problem giving you more information but first completely remove that notion of
IAF IS DESIGNED TO GIVE ONLY THAT INFORMATION THAT IS DESIRABLE TO INDIAN PEOPLE.
It is not such "unprofessional" force nor it has track record of lying.

You do not understand Americans. They are straight talkers. Besides, Lara also wrote articles that do not show in a good light the US government, LM and Boeing. It's her job as a journalist to report things as they are. You can backread my post on her.

The article you might have read is on opportunity of American defense forms to supply weapons to India since the latter needs to upgrade its military, as shown by its underwhelming performance against Pakistan, a smaller opponent for India.

 

[Games Goblin]

its underwhelming performance against Pakistan, a smaller opponent for India.

IAF denied the PAF from hitting our military installations and took out one of their F-16s with a MiG-21 - this was a good response from IAF in my opinion.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

You do not understand Americans. They are straight talkers. Besides, Lara also wrote articles that do not show in a good light the US government, LM and Boeing. It's her job as a journalist to report things as they are. You can backread my post on her.

The article you might have read is on opportunity of American defense forms to supply weapons to India since the latter needs to upgrade its military, as shown by its underwhelming performance against Pakistan, a smaller opponent for India.

Yes, and how ours was underwhelming performance. We defended us from their attack. They were 24 we were not even in double digits.
Look at that too.
And here also print, scroll, HT, Indian Express have always written critical articles about current IAF condition under modi(yes, you heard it right because of him, otherwise they never even cared for IAF).
Although I don't want to compare our media with their media.
But "PROBLEM IN HOME IS ONE THING AND SELLING HOME PRODUCTS SO MONEY CAN BE BROUGHT IN IS DIFFERENT THING" .So, tell me how it is not a sales pitch article.
That stupid lady has straight questioned IAF Professionalism but no body is questioning her "high official sources".
TELL me directly na.
You want to say "I HAVE MORE FAITH IN USA PROPAGANDA articles than IAF information".
That will settle this and we will stop going round and round conversation.
If that is the case, then we will move to the main question that is troubling you.
You want to say USA INFORMATION FROM NON-OFFICIAL SOURCES ARE CORRECT THAN INDIA OFFICIAL SOURCES.
No, that's not the case here.

 

[garg_bharat]

Lara Seligman is not the actual writer. The article is written by somebody else. She could not respond to pointed questions for full 24 hours which is too long on twitter. She is writing what she is told to write.

We do believe that Foreign Policy articles give a window to a section of US government. Unfortunately there are divisions within US government at this time so such an article cannot be taken as a definitive voice.

We are very clear that no count of F-16 has happened. IAF shot down an F-16 on Feb 27 is a reality. IAF may have shot down more PAF planes too which is hidden in secrecy. India has BVR missiles just like Pakistan and India can take shots without crossing the border.

 

[armyofhind]

You do not understand Americans. They are straight talkers

The Americans are as much of straight talkers as you are an observer.

Abey dumbfuck commie, go to the hole you came out from. You do nothing but vomit on every thread.

 

[Craigs]

I was actually more interested in satellite photos or smart phone photos of the F-16 crash site than radar screen grabs that can easily be doctored likw what Russia did in the MH-17 shot down. Remember the theatrical Russian MOD presentation after the MasB777 shoot down complete with giant screens?

Yeah like you wouldn't complain. We know your gameplan. If one proof is given you will ask for another. In today's day and age of deep faking any photo can be faked. Look up deep fakes and how good such fakes are. Why did Pak implement a NOTAM over their airspace after the air attacks and why did they impose a ban on internet services? In India there was no such restriction and also we don't hide our military sacrifices. If we had lost a pilot either killed or MIA the family of the pilot would have announced it by now.

 

[asianobserve]

Lara Seligman is not the actual writer. The article is written by somebody else. She could not respond to pointed questions for full 24 hours which is too long on twitter. She is writing what she is told to write.

We do believe that Foreign Policy articles give a window to a section of US government. Unfortunately there are divisions within US government at this time so such an article cannot be taken as a definitive voice.

We are very clear that no count of F-16 has happened. IAF shot down an F-16 on Feb 27 is a reality. IAF may have shot down more PAF planes too which is hidden in secrecy. India has BVR missiles just like Pakistan and India can take shots without crossing the border.

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[asianobserve]

And here are some FP articles critical of American defense companies:

The Jet That Ate the Pentagon

The F-35 is a boondoggle. It's time to throw it in the trash bin.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreignpolicy.com/2012/04/26/the-jet-that-ate-the-pentagon/amp/

The Pentagon’s $399 Billion Plane to Nowhere
https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreig...e-pentagons-399-billion-plane-to-nowhere/amp/


Boeing Insists Its Planes Are Safe. So Why Is the FAA Ordering Fixes?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreig...re-safe-so-why-is-the-faa-ordering-fixes/amp/

Boeing’s Pentagon Takeover
https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreig...eover-defense-department-mattis-shanahan/amp/

 

[vampyrbladez]

And here are some FP articles critical of American defense companies:

The Jet That Ate the Pentagon

https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreignpolicy.com/2012/04/26/the-jet-that-ate-the-pentagon/amp/

The Pentagon’s $399 Billion Plane to Nowhere
https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreig...e-pentagons-399-billion-plane-to-nowhere/amp/


Boeing Insists Its Planes Are Safe. So Why Is the FAA Ordering Fixes?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreig...re-safe-so-why-is-the-faa-ordering-fixes/amp/

Boeing’s Pentagon Takeover
https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreig...eover-defense-department-mattis-shanahan/amp/

Patrick Shannon is ex Boeing. Boeing is safe for the foreseeable future!

 

[asianobserve]

Patrick Shannon is ex Boeing. Boeing is safe for the foreseeable future!

It's scandalous what his Shannon is doing in Pentagon specially forcing USAF to buy Boeing's F-15X when USAF does not want it... in fact USAF is now planning on using 2-seat F-15X with the back seat empty!

 

[vampyrbladez]

It's scandalous what his Shannon is doing in Pentagon specially forcing USAF to buy Boeing's F-15X when USAF does not want it... in fact USAF is now planning on using 2-seat F-15X with the back seat empty!

This is what happens when you give monopoly to LM regarding the future of fighter jet production.

That stupid moron Robert Gates under the blessings of his commie leader Obama cancelled F 22 production and then cut out Boeing to fend for itself.

Even Russia buys useless MiG 35s just to keep alternative options for fighter production open. F 18 SH is undoubtedly better than F 35C at dogfighting in WVR and escort capability. F 15X will replace the F 15C/D for air superiority missions till 6th gen F XX platform comes along!

 

[asianobserve]

This is what happens when you give monopoly to LM regarding the future of fighter jet production.

That stupid moron Robert Gates under the blessings of his commie leader Obama cancelled F 22 production and then cut out Boeing to fend for itself.

Even Russia buys useless MiG 35s just to keep alternative options for fighter production open. F 18 SH is undoubtedly better than F 35C at dogfighting in WVR and escort capability. F 15X will replace the F 15C/D for air superiority missions till 6th gen F XX platform comes along!

It was not the fault of LM that Boeing submitted the worst JSF contender in X-32.

 

[Prashant12]

Pakistan has already exposed its loss in a far more direct way than the IAF perhaps ever can.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

It's just a matter of recognizing and aligning your interests with the US and making the best out ofyour alliance with it. Sadly, our country has been so corrupt and the leaders so inept since Marcos that we were not able to capitalize on our alliance with the US for our economic benefit. But Japan, SOKOR, Singapore milked their alliance with the Americans well.

Your alliance with US has little to do with well being of your country. If Philippines is really as corrupt as you are saying (I believe its not), tilting to any country will be far more disastrous.

As for Lara Seligman, we don't have to go through her past.

1. She wrote an unsubstantiated article where she quoted "unnamed" sources.
2. Her claim was refuted by Pentagon.
3. She has no knowledge of military stuff.
4. She isn't even arguing technically. She is quoting other journos who actually are quoting here and telling us that "how could you know more than him?"

Enough!!
Even if we don't have "solid proof" of shooting a Falcon down, the evidences and instances have made it to be more likely than not likely. And I don't need to get tagged as a "nationalist" anymore for claiming it.

 

[garg_bharat]

India wants to see peace in Kashmir and in South Asia. There will be times when India will have to act against terror sources but this is

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American establishment is split into two parts. So you get two voices. There are voices that want Pakistan in a specific role; and we understand that.

Lara has just six year experience as a journalist; a commentator on foreign policy requires far more experience than that. Lara is a front, for a team or group of writers working for a specific agenda and specific owner.

Don't get confused by type of reports. Let me tell you that each report of this nature can take months to research, if not to write. Magically Lara has been coming out with one report every third day. Either she is second reincarnation of Jesus Christ or she is fraud; likely later.

 

[garg_bharat]

Indian government has never made a statement about "war" with Pakistan. Even on Feb 27 when PAF came knocking at the door of brigade HQ; and dropped bombs; Indian govt. did not declare a war. If election was the reason for Balakot, then this was the ideal opportunity to declare war. But India did not.

India has kept a remarkable calm and composure through these events while Pakistan has been jumping all around.

The faces of Bajwa and Qureishi tell a story which is more interesting than the written word.

 

[garg_bharat]

Let me make the case that even if IAF lost Mig-21 with no loss for PAF; still it is no victory for PAF. Couple of Mig-21 stopped a major bombing attempt. And this bombing attempt required 24 PAF aircafts in the air. The events clearly prove ineffectiveness of PAF as an airforce.

 

[Armand2REP]

Let me make the case that even if IAF lost Mig-21 with no loss for PAF; still it is no victory for PAF. Couple of Mig-21 stopped a major bombing attempt. And this bombing attempt required 24 PAF aircafts in the air. The events clearly prove ineffectiveness of PAF as an airforce.

I am still wondering what it was that shot the MiG-21 down. The F-16 he shot was running away if it was over PoK.