IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

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so It's as I expected, Wing Co did get shot at by Amraam which found it's mark probably because he was still head-on getting his load off. If 4-5 were shot at various aircraft, one is bound to get lucky. Wing Co. was well within it's NEZ. Wingman however, dodged one, this is truly impressive. Wingman was probably a few hundred meters behind, got shot at and ran defensive, in this case , the quickest way to escape is either a fast dive while heavy chaffing and get your ass into ground clutter, a climb would bleed too much energy.
 

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As per your media, this is what your Bison took out..

http://ipanewsagency.in/read_main_news.php?id=MjkzNQ==

It has been confirmed on the basis of anonymity; an IAF person revealed that fateful Helicopter Mi-17 on 27th Feb was shot down by MiG-21 Bison from IAF station Srinagar killing all six on board and one civilian on ground. A unique case of Fratricide (shooting down own aircraft). The Chief of Western Air Command reportedly was sacked on IAF losses on 27th Feb and incompetence shown by IAF aircrew.
Which news agency is this , never heard of this one before, seems fake...
 

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As per your media, this is what your Bison took out..

http://ipanewsagency.in/read_main_news.php?id=MjkzNQ==

It has been confirmed on the basis of anonymity; an IAF person revealed that fateful Helicopter Mi-17 on 27th Feb was shot down by MiG-21 Bison from IAF station Srinagar killing all six on board and one civilian on ground. A unique case of Fratricide (shooting down own aircraft). The Chief of Western Air Command reportedly was sacked on IAF losses on 27th Feb and incompetence shown by IAF aircrew.
Well what else can one expect from Inbred madrassa swine like you. That Mi-17 was over 100 km away, not that you would know but a R-77 or R-73 don't have that kind of range. Last I check the Mig was straight up sticking the f-16 from behind just way you Pukis like it, sadly this time it wasn't a beloved Goat doing the sticking.
 

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As per your media, this is what your Bison took out..

http://ipanewsagency.in/read_main_news.php?id=MjkzNQ==

It has been confirmed on the basis of anonymity; an IAF person revealed that fateful Helicopter Mi-17 on 27th Feb was shot down by MiG-21 Bison from IAF station Srinagar killing all six on board and one civilian on ground. A unique case of Fratricide (shooting down own aircraft). The Chief of Western Air Command reportedly was sacked on IAF losses on 27th Feb and incompetence shown by IAF aircrew.
It's a democracy and unknown media agencies can claim whatever they want. Few days back some news magazine was counting Indian martyred soldiers on the basis of caste.
I don't expect you to understand it because free media is something new for madarasah educated people who grew up on ISPR propaganda.
PS : Still waiting for those high resolution pics of Su-30 mki being shot down.
 

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As per govt. How can we defend against f16 without rafale .
It seems mig story is crazy and even mirage and su 30 are rubbish.
Or pilots and defence doctrine is worthless.

Let's pick n choose since govt doesn't want to reveal even in democracy.
 

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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...-pakistan-f-16-fighter-jet-1471540-2019-03-06

IAF confirms Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman shot down Pakistan F-16 fighter jet
IAF fighter pilot Abhinandan Varthaman had fired an R-73 missile to take out the Pakistan aircraft before his Mig 21 Bison was hit by an AMRAAM missile. The development now seals the fact that Pakistan had used an F-16 in an offensive role.

Shiv Aroor
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March 6, 2019
UPDATED: March 6, 2019 17:28 IST


Indian Air Force Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman. (Photo: ANI)
HIGHLIGHTS
  • Abhinandan had fired an R-73 missile to take out the Pakistan F-16 aircraft
  • Top IAF sources have confirmed the development officially
  • The development confirms that Pakistan used an F-16 in an offensive role

Top Indian Air Force (IAF) sources have confirmed officially that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman shot down a Pakistan F-16 jet on February 27.

Abhinandan had fired an R-73 missile to take out the Pakistan F-16 aircraft before his Mig 21 Bison was hit by an AMRAAM missile. The development now seals the fact that Pakistan had used an F-16 in an offensive role.


Top sources also revealed to India Today TV that Abhinandan was the only IAF pilot who fired a missile during the dogfight. In his last radio transmission before Pakistani Air Force struck his aircraft, Abhinandan confirmed that he had locked on to a Pakistani aircraft.

The IAF Wing Commander was captured by Pakistan but had to be released in just three days due to mounting diplomatic pressue on Pakistan.

Since his return, the braveheart has received accolades for showing such valour after he was captured.

After returning to the country, Abhinandan went through a series of medical tests and is currently recouperating from the injuries caused due to ejecting out of his damaged Mig 21 Bison.

Meanwhile, the situation between India and Pakistan continue to remain tense in the aftermath of the escalation.

The heightened conflict between the two nations started after Pakistan-based terror group Jaish-e-Mohammed carried out a bombing attack, killing at least 40 Central Reserve Police Force paramilitary troopers in south Kashmir's Pulwama.

Many countries including the United States supported India's stand in the clash and warned Pakistan to eliminate exiting terror havens on its soil.
Many were baffled at the question Why GOI did not responded to clear aggression by PAF on 27th?Those should now understand that war is more than sheer Rage. Smartness more than anything wins a war.

Now when IAF has made it official, repeatedly that Mig-21 shot down F-16 thereby confirming that F-16 were used by PAF on 27th Feb. It is not hard to imagine how USA will fu*k PAF and Bajwa.

Also how hard is it to picture PAF without F-16s and 500 odd Aim-120C coming face to face with IAF responding to aggression by PAF on 27th?

Without firing single missile IAF just killed entire fleet minus 1 pre 27th Feb 2019 of Paki F-16s. Thanks to cleverness of NSA and Modi
 

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It's a democracy and unknown media agencies can claim whatever they want. Few days back some news magazine was counting Indian martyred soldiers on the basis of caste.
I don't expect you to understand it because free media is something new for madarasah educated people who grew up on ISPR propaganda.
PS : Still waiting for those high resolution pics of Su-30 mki being shot down.
Ironically we should debate about democracy in our house. Just because some people ask questions on strikes. They are labbled Desh drohi.

So when u.s revealed about Osama or Iraq they were stupid or isreal or pakPakis. If we are so brave to tell number let's reveal a little bit.

To hell with Pakistani asking for proof we need detail for our soldiers and country men to keep up the morale.
 

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Well what else can one expect from Inbred madrassa swine like you. That Mi-17 was over 100 km away, not that you would know but a R-77 or R-73 don't have that kind of range. Last I check the Mig was straight up sticking the f-16 from behind just way you Pukis like it, sadly this time it wasn't a beloved Goat doing the sticking.
You are free to send queries to each of the media groups and stay in denial mode.

https://www.thequint.com/news/india...ry-probing-all-angles-including-friendly-fire

An investigation into the cause of the IAF Mi17V5 chopper crash that took place in Budgam on 27 February – which is looking into all possible angles – is also considering friendly fire, The Economic Times reported, quoting sources.

The IAF Mi17V5 helicopter had crashed near Jammu and Kashmir’s Srinagar on the same day as the aerial dogfight between the IAF and the Pakistan Air Force.

The chopper had gone down in a ten minute span when IAF jets were scrambling to ward off PAF fighters who were approaching Indian airspace, reported The Economic Times.
Also Read : Fellow Officer & Wife Pays Tribute to IAF Pilot Killed in Budgam


A defence source told The Economic Times that all possible angles would be probed with regard to the crash, including that of friendly fire, keeping in mind the fact that air defence systems near Srinagar were in operation at the time.

At the time of the crash, senior officials had said that the crash had taken place after the chopper developed a technical snag. The Mi17V5 is one of the sturdiest choppers in service across the world and does not usually develop technical snags, the report said.

Moreover, a source told The Economic Times that ground operators had not received any radio call or message from the crew of the chopper regarding a technical fault.
Pakistan has also denied playing a role in the chopper’s crash, despite accepting that an aerial battle had taken place over Nowshera and acknowledging that they had downed an Indian fighter jet at the time.

Also Read : Who Were the IAF Officers Killed in Mi-17 Chopper Crash in Budgam

Eyewitnesses had reportedly heard a loud explosion in the air just before the chopper went down, indicating the possibility of some external event causing the crash, reported The Economic Times.

According to the report, both command and control systems were functioning under extreme pressure at the time as a ‘fog of war’ prevailed.

Also Read : 6 IAF Officers, One Civilian Killed in Helicopter Crash in Budgam

IAF has said that it is too early to comment on the crash, but had ordered a court of inquiry into the incident. “A court of inquiry has been ordered and we cannot speculate on the reason behind the crash before it submits its report,” an IAF officer said.

Six IAF officers onboard the Mi17V5 chopper were killed, as well as one civilian on the ground. According to ET’s source, the families of those killed in the crash have been promised answers within ten to 15 days.

The Indian air defence systems, mostly controlled by the IAF, have inbuilt safeguards to identify and distinguish between friend and foe. If indeed the cause of the crash is found to be friendly fire, this would mean breach in multiple layers of safeguards, according to the report.

(With inputs from The Economic Times.)
 

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An interesting article from Asiatimes...

No proof India shot down Pakistan F-16
Rumors that the son of a Pakistani Air Marshal was shot down in his F-16 were untrue

BySAIKAT DATTA | KUNWAR KHULDUNE SHAHID

The clash between India and Pakistaninvolving their respective air forces last week has led to claims and counter-claims from the two South Asian rivals. While India claimed its air force entered Pakistan air space in the early hours of February 26, Pakistan claimed a similar air attack on Indian positions a day later.

However, one claim from India has taken a bizarre turn. In response to the Pakistan air raid in the morning on February 27, Indian fighter jets gave chase as part of the air defense measures. While the Pakistan jets turned back in a matter of seconds, an Indian MiG-21 gave chase and crossed into Pakistan’s air space. It was brought down by Pakistan’s air defense surface-to-air missiles and the pilot was captured.

However, Indian Air Force (IAF) officials were quick to claim that before being shot down, Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman managed to shoot down a Pakistani F-16. The IAF also put out a series of tweets claiming that an F-16 had been shot down.

Did India shot down an F-16?

However, by March 1, rumors started flying that Abhinandan had shot down a Pakistan Air Force (PAF) pilot named Shahaz-ud-Din, who was from 19 Squadron, also known as the sher-dils, or lion-hearted. On March 2, FirstPost, a well-known Indian news website, published a story written by consulting editor Praveen Swami, claiming: “The news that Shahaz-ud-Din’s plane was shot down was first reported by London-based lawyer Khalid Umar, who says he received it privately, from individuals related to the F-16 pilot’s family.”

Quoting Umar’s Facebook post, Swami also reported that the pilot had ejected “possibly in the Laam Valley” and had been mistaken for an Indian pilot by locals on the ground. They allegedly lynched him, and Swami wrote that “Shahaz-ud-Din, Umar has claimed, was hospitalized, but succumbed to his injuries.”

Swami also claimed that both the downed pilots, Varthaman and Shahaz-d-Din, were sons of Air Marshals in the IAF and PAF. “Shahaz-ud-Din’s father, Waseem-ud-Din, is also an Air Marshal of the Pakistan Air Force, who has flown F-16 and Mirages,” he wrote.

However, an investigation by Asia Times revealed that while Air Marshal Wasimuddin did serve in the PAF before retiring, he did not have a son named Shahaz-ud-Din.

Non-existent pilot

Air Marshal Wasimuddin has two sons, Aleem Uddin and Waqar Uddin. Waqar is studying in Warwickshire in the United Kingdom, while Aleem, who has studied at Royal Holloway, the University of London, works in the telecom sector.

“I have only two sons and neither of them has been a part of the PAF, nor has either ever flown a plane,” he said. “I have not considered any legal action [against the Indian media reports]. I actually laughed them off. My sons have been abroad for years. Unfortunately, they have been needlessly dragged into all this,” Wasimuddin said.


Air Marshal Wasimuddin (center) with his son Waqar (left) and Aseem. Photo: Courtesy Kunwar Khuldune Shahid/Asia Times
PAF officials confirmed that the retired air marshal had been asked to record a video as a rebuttal to claims in the India media. However, Wasimuddin said he wanted to avoid it because he did not want any undue attention on him or his family given the current crisis.

This raises a set of bigger questions.

If there is no “Wing Commander Shahaz-ud-Din” in the PAF, then who was piloting the F-16 that was allegedly shot down by the IAF? Or did the IAf really shoot down an F-16?

Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail is a former F-16 fighter pilot in the PAF and the author of Great Air Battles of Pakistan Air Force, a seminal book on its wartime history. He believes the Indian claim has no merit.

“It is relatively easy to provide incontrovertible evidence for such a kill by the IAF,” Tufail told Asia Times in several text messages in response to queries. “The MiG-21 pilot should have been in touch with his fighter controller on the ground. Also, the other Indian fighter aircraft engaging the PAF fighter jets would have been monitoring the situation. They would have the data that can prove if an F-16 was shot down. Why isn’t India releasing that data?”

“The trace of the ground and airborne radar scope is always recorded, and usually, all radars preserve this for up to 72 hours, before being overwritten,” he said. “These traces can easily provide the incoming aircraft. And the sudden disappearance of the blip from the (radar) scope of this incoming aircraft will imply a ‘kill.’ There couldn’t be better evidence than this.”

“The IAF can (also) provide audio recording(s) of the interception in which the (MiG-21) pilot must have transmitted to his flight controller. There would be ‘radar contact,’ ‘visual contact,’ target shot down.’ These recordings should be available with the ground radar as well as the airborne radar that was flying that day,” he added.

Indians lost face?

Asia Times spoke to multiple IAF fighter pilots both serving and retired to ascertain their version of events. Most agreed with Air Commodore Tufail’s analysis of the sequence of events.

“It is true that the MiG-21 pilot would have had made some recordings of the air engagement, both audio and video,” a former IAF fighter pilot said on condition of anonymity. “Right from the 1970s, MiG-21s had cameras in the gun and missile pods. Any launch is recorded and if there are any ‘kills’ it should have been recorded. This should also be available in the on-board avionics. But the Pakistanis have it now,” he said.

“However, even a radio transmission, as well as data from the Airborne Early Warning (AEW) that had taken off when the first PAF fighters were detected, should have some data, including the loss of a radar blip, if the MiG-21 had shot it down. Even Wing Commander Abhinandan’s radio transmissions should be available and we can check them to see if he did report a ‘kill’ before going down,” the Indian fighter pilot said.

Some IAF officials privately feel the loss of the MiG-21 was a major “loss of face.” Even though Wing Commander Abhinandan “displayed high professional acumen and took on an F-16 in his MiG-21, the fact that we lost it was very embarrassing a day after we took out a Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) terror camp deep inside Pakistan,” another senior IAF official told Asia Times.

A former IAF fighter pilot told Asia Times that unlike past analogous radars, the present Synthetic Display Radars (SDR) were incapable of distinguishing between aircraft. “The SDR would not be in a position to tell whether it was an F-16 or not. But the other data would have definitely recorded an F-16 ‘kill’ by the MiG-21.”

Confusing statements

What added to the confusion was Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General Major General Asif Ghafoor’s press conference on Wednesday, where he mentioned that Pakistan had captured two Indian pilots. One was Wing Commander Varthaman and the other was taken to the Combined Military Hospital (CMH) after being severely injured.

That claim came after Ghafoor’s initial tweet suggested there were actually three Indian pilots on the Pakistani side of the Line of Control. This was also reported by prime minister Imran Khan in his address to the National Assembly.

Much later Ghafoor said only one pilot was in Pakistani custody. PAF officials told Asia Times they were planning a display of all their fighter jets for neutral observers as evidence that none of their aircraft had been taken down by the IAF.

According to a Pakistani official, on condition of anonymity, F-16s had indeed been used to strike targets inside Indian territory. “I don’t know why [Asif Ghafoor] said that. Perhaps it would’ve been better if an air force person was dealing with the briefing. Even if somebody had asked him [about the F-16s] during the presser it would’ve been best to say something open-ended and not something as categorical as what he said,” the official said.

Analysts think one of the reasons behind Ghafoor’s statement could be to address concerns by the American State Department over the use of US-made F-16 fighter jets.

While Indian officials have showcased parts of an AMRAAM missile as evidence that Pakistan did use an American-made F-16, PAF officials say that part of the missile being discovered was ‘conclusive evidence’ that the Pakistan jets were not shot down.

“AMRAAM only goes with the F-16, but what the Indians don’t seem to realize is how the AMRAAM got there. There’s a reason why no debris of the jet has been recovered and only the remains of the missile have been found,” said Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail, a former PAF F-16 fighter pilot.

An Indian Airforce officer stated, “When a missile hits a jet it breaks down into small pieces just like the aircraft it targets – it doesn’t vaporize. If it doesn’t hit the target, its rocket fuel finishes in 20-25 seconds, and it just falls down on the ground intact. So the fact that an AMRAAM piece was recovered proves that the F-16 did strike a target.”

Meanwhile, locals on the ground reiterated that no Pakistani pilot bailed out along with Wing Commander Varthaman. “Only the Indian pilot landed here, and while the locals initially did try to physically harm him, he was protected by Pakistan Army officials. There was no Pakistani pilot who parachuted along with him, let alone being killed by a mob,” Fiaz Mahmood, a local businessman in the Bhimber district of Pakistan-administered Kashmir, told Asia Times.

The episode has raised several questions about India’s deteriorating military capabilities due its faulty procurement policies and lack of political will. Last year India’s Vice-Chief of Army Staff told Parliament’s standing committee on defense that the Narendra Modi government’s financial squeeze had left the forces bereft of funds.

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/03/article/no-proof-india-shot-down-pakistan-f-16/
Do you even know that Pakistan refused to own thousands of dead pak soldiers after Kargil war??.
Hiding an f 16 pilot loss is no big deal for them...
 

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Sometimes it's better not to reveal things, especially in a democracy, so sometimes you need to make intelligent guesses.

You see till @duhastmish opened his mouth, we could only guess if he/she were an imbecile. Now that you've "spoken", there's no doubt at all.
 

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Sometimes it's better not to reveal things, especially in a democracy, so sometimes you need to make intelligent guesses.

You see till @duhastmish opened his mouth, we could only guess if he/she were an imbecile. Now that you've "spoken", there's no doubt at all.
You are worthless. No need to comment on you go and die.

If you abuse and can't have discourse it's no place for you to be .
 

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You are free to send queries to each of the media groups and stay in denial mode.

https://www.thequint.com/news/india...ry-probing-all-angles-including-friendly-fire

An investigation into the cause of the IAF Mi17V5 chopper crash that took place in Budgam on 27 February – which is looking into all possible angles – is also considering friendly fire, The Economic Times reported, quoting sources.

The IAF Mi17V5 helicopter had crashed near Jammu and Kashmir’s Srinagar on the same day as the aerial dogfight between the IAF and the Pakistan Air Force.

The chopper had gone down in a ten minute span when IAF jets were scrambling to ward off PAF fighters who were approaching Indian airspace, reported The Economic Times.
Also Read : Fellow Officer & Wife Pays Tribute to IAF Pilot Killed in Budgam


A defence source told The Economic Times that all possible angles would be probed with regard to the crash, including that of friendly fire, keeping in mind the fact that air defence systems near Srinagar were in operation at the time.

At the time of the crash, senior officials had said that the crash had taken place after the chopper developed a technical snag. The Mi17V5 is one of the sturdiest choppers in service across the world and does not usually develop technical snags, the report said.

Moreover, a source told The Economic Times that ground operators had not received any radio call or message from the crew of the chopper regarding a technical fault.
Pakistan has also denied playing a role in the chopper’s crash, despite accepting that an aerial battle had taken place over Nowshera and acknowledging that they had downed an Indian fighter jet at the time.

Also Read : Who Were the IAF Officers Killed in Mi-17 Chopper Crash in Budgam

Eyewitnesses had reportedly heard a loud explosion in the air just before the chopper went down, indicating the possibility of some external event causing the crash, reported The Economic Times.

According to the report, both command and control systems were functioning under extreme pressure at the time as a ‘fog of war’ prevailed.

Also Read : 6 IAF Officers, One Civilian Killed in Helicopter Crash in Budgam

IAF has said that it is too early to comment on the crash, but had ordered a court of inquiry into the incident. “A court of inquiry has been ordered and we cannot speculate on the reason behind the crash before it submits its report,” an IAF officer said.

Six IAF officers onboard the Mi17V5 chopper were killed, as well as one civilian on the ground. According to ET’s source, the families of those killed in the crash have been promised answers within ten to 15 days.

The Indian air defence systems, mostly controlled by the IAF, have inbuilt safeguards to identify and distinguish between friend and foe. If indeed the cause of the crash is found to be friendly fire, this would mean breach in multiple layers of safeguards, according to the report.

(With inputs from The Economic Times.)
Hey neighbour. How's East Pakistan?:rofl::bounce::india:
 

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Ironically we should debate about democracy in our house. Just because some people ask questions on strikes. They are labbled Desh drohi.

So when u.s revealed about Osama or Iraq they were stupid or isreal or pakPakis. If we are so brave to tell number let's reveal a little bit.

To hell with Pakistani asking for proof we need detail for our soldiers and country men to keep up the morale.
They were being called desh drohis because they were believing foreign media over the words of our Army. If we were to believe foreign media then we were losing the 1971 war.
Free speech is a two way street. If you can doubt your army then why can't we doubt your integrity.
BTW where are the pictures of dead osama bin laden. For all I know that compound was empty and it was a joint operation by CIA and ISI to fool american population.
 

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US didn;t reveal anything about Osama

Pakistani local rejected USA claims Where is the proof where is the body ???

Pakistan ka pet to kisi ka BAAP nahi bhar Sakta.

Us revealed to their people on Saddam too. That's enough.

We don't want to prove anything to pakis. They are dying for their misdeeds.

Only for local public and democracy.
 

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They were being called desh drohis because they were believing foreign media over the words of our Army. If we were to believe foreign media then we were losing the 1971 war.
Free speech is a two way street. If you can doubt your army then why can't we doubt your integrity.
BTW where are the pictures of dead osama bin laden. For all I know that compound was empty and it was a joint operation by CIA and ISI to fool american population.
No dear army and fauj has nothing to do with politics of revelation. Army has no issues. The onus was on govt

They are bidding behind our army
 

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You are worthless. No need to comment on you go and die.

If you abuse and can't have discourse it's no place for you to be .
Relax imbecile, just because you were born out of incest does not mean that you go all emo and wish death upon everyone.

Take your meds and go to sleep.
 
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