IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[White Wolf]

He's a paki with Indian name. Ignore him

I know bro, chill.

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[Neptune]

Yes ouranged word is wrong here....yes but it was blocked for use by Flanker by superior electronic warfare of F-16.... Thank god we did not loose Flanker that day....

This is just presumptuous wishful thinking. The SU-30MKI trained against F-16s as well as many other advanced aircraft and performed favorably so unless the Pakistanis somehow got some super advanced special F-16 that no one knows about its safe to say that all this talk about the SU-30MKI failing or being negated by the F-16 is just propaganda.


The F-16 fired many AMRAAMS and all failed, if the numerically inferior Indian Air Force easily defeated AMRAAMSs at that distance then why would they waste their R-77s knowing they probably won't connect on the F-16s either?

There is nothing official about what happened between the F-16 and SU-30MKI. Certainly no hard evidence of anything other then AMRAAM wreckage. We don't know what happened and why the SU-30MKIs did not fire. The F-16s could have detected SU-30s and fired a volley of missiles then fled across the border, at that point the SU-30MKI could have loitered and waited for Pakistani aircraft to cross the border or waited for additional aircraft. The SU-30s could have also just bled the F-16s of AMRAAMS and fuel and waited for a closer, higher probability launch of their R-77s in which the F-16s could not sustain a dogfight/evasive maneuvers due to low fuel and weapons depletion.

A lot of people are jumping to conclusions based on nothing. What the SU-30s did and what orders the Indian pilots received is an unknown.

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

Just one basic point

Understand that BVR missiles are Mach 4 and jets themselves can reach Mach 2.

So kill probability in BVR engagement doesn't only roam around locking, firing and jamming.

Missiles follow lofted trajectory. If not then it bleeds energy while maneuvering.

It doesn't remain a Mach 4 missile with 90 Km range anymore.

 

[tsunami]

Lol..... F-16 jammed SU30 radar... but couldn't take care of Mig-21's radar and Abhinandan had a lock on him...

No SU30 Mki is being used for CAP... But when said it shot down a drone very next day during CAP mssion... then changed the topic to But it didn't kill F-16..... BC kuch bhi...

As I already said Akhand Chutiyapa bc....

 

[Armand2REP]

Lol..... F-16 jammed SU30 radar... but couldn't take care of Mig-21's radar and Abhinandan had a lock on him...

No SU30 Mki is being used for CAP... But when said it shot down a drone very next day during CAP mssion... then changed the topic to But it didn't kill F-16..... BC kuch bhi...

As I already said Akhand Chutiyapa bc....

The MiG-21 fired an IR missile so no radar required. Neither side has jammers strong enough to jam the source, they are self protection jammers to throw off the missile's active guidance.

 

[tsunami]

The MiG-21 fired an IR missile so no radar required. Neither side has jammers strong enough to jam the source, they are self protection jammers to throw off the missile's active guidance.

As per the last radio from Abhinandan he had a lock on F-16. Mig-21 doesn't have IRST. Obviously he was talking about Radar Lock. My reply was for a user who is posting crap.

BTW just a question. I thought Radar lock was still necessary for an IR missile if fighter doesn't have an IRST??

 

[Armand2REP]

As per the last radio from Abhinandan he had a lock on F-16. Mig-21 doesn't have IRST. Obviously he was talking about Radar Lock. My reply was for a user who is posting crap.

BTW just a question. I thought Radar lock was still necessary for an IR missile if fighter doesn't have an IRST??

The Bison has a helmet mounted sighting system so he obviously wasn't talking about radar lock.

BTW, when you have an HMS your head turns direct where the seeker of the IR missile is pointing, when launched it will go where you are looking and acquire the heat signature. No IRST required because the head of the missile is the IRT. minus the search. Only Mica IR can do both.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Yes ouranged word is wrong here....yes but it was blocked for use by Flanker by superior electronic warfare of F-16.... Thank god we did not loose Flanker that day....

What superior electronic warfare of F 16? What does the Paki blk 52 F16s use to block the R77?

And the Israeli ELM 8222 didnot block 120C?

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[AmoghaVarsha]

Do you know how it makes MKI electronically inferior???? Agreed and appreciated the fact that MKI saved itself from 4-5 AMARAAMs but still it as defensive... A highly advanced fighter such as Rafale or Typhoon would have not only saved themselves from AMARAAM but would have broken up the lock established by viper and attacked them with METEOR..... MKI was not at all allowed to unleash its weapons by viper.... And this is called technical disadvantage..... I have heard due to F-16 fear no MKIs are being sent on LOC to perform CAP.....

Ye aadmi paagal ho gaya hai. MKI not sent for CAP due to fear of F16?

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[AmoghaVarsha]

There are rumours that IAF used Israeli Sky Shield.

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[AmoghaVarsha]

I guess they did that by outrunning them, it isn't hard when you have enough lead time. There are accounts that it was the M2Ks that scrambled them.

Are you saying that since MKIs had time to react, they turned and went beyond the missile range? Hence they couldnot attack the F16s?

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[Armand2REP]

What superior electronic warfare of F 16? What does the Paki blk 52 F16s use to block the R77?

And the Israeli ELM 8222 didnot block 120C?

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The accounts are saying it was upgraded M2Ks that saved MKIs from being shot down as they are the only ones with escort jammers.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

The accounts are saying it was upgraded M2Ks that saved MKIs from being shot down as they are the only ones with escort jammers.

What escort jammers do M2Ks have?

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[WARREN SS]

The accounts are saying it was upgraded M2Ks that saved MKIs from being shot down as they are the only ones with escort jammers.

Source of that Info ??? What has been in public domain is about MKI jammers

 

[ersakthivel]

The accounts are saying it was upgraded M2Ks that saved MKIs from being shot down as they are the only ones with escort jammers.

?????:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

SO su 30 MKI needs mirages to survive?????

 

[ersakthivel]

The accounts are saying it was upgraded M2Ks that saved MKIs from being shot down as they are the only ones with escort jammers.

Many reports pointed out IAF was observing Rules of Engagements like,

not firing BVR missiles across LOC as there was no war declaration.

Plus there was also an Air Asia civilian flight in the area, SO BVR firing was a strict NO No.

These things dont matter for Terrorist Airforce of Pakistan, which flew in knowing fully well, their mission is going to fail 100%.

Killing civilians in terror attacks is a stated policy of terrorist state of pakistan.



Thats why Abhunandhan had to go WVR to risk his fighter while shooting down F16.

Indian media guys like Shekar Guptha"s THE PRINT,
Happymon Jacob are offcourse weaving a very different narrative.

WHich was roundly debunked by Rohit Vats & co

 

[Armand2REP]

?????:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

SO su 30 MKI needs mirages to survive?????

Part of the Mirage upgrade is getting escort jammers, saving the arse of other aircraft is its job.

 

[ersakthivel]

Part of the Mirage upgrade is getting escort jammers, saving the arse of other aircraft is its job.

DO the fench hv the complete details of IAF SU 30 MKIs EW suit??

& how Mirage saved SU 30 MKI on that day.

No ofcourse,,

A picture posted by Sameer Arora on Twitter says that Mirages & SU 30 MKIs were operating in different areas,

If that is true how can mirage 2000 save su 30 mki, which is 100s of miles away?

Reports suggest SU 30 MKIs were assigned the role of circling over Nowshera battalion HQ to deter the lasing f16,

Each IAF package of mirages, su 30 MKIs, Migs were operating at different areas carrying out different tasks,

Mirages deterred the extra few PAF fighters waiting behind pak border to move in,

SU 30 MKI thwarted lasing of F16 to drop LGBs,

Mig21s which were the closest(due to taking off from forward base) sneaked in surprise

to chase F16s & fire R73 Es , which they did with aplomp,

Despite having F16s PAF turned tail & the mig21 was hitting F16 inside the pak airspace,

A humiliating encounter for PAF f16s

 

[Armand2REP]

DO the fench hv the omplete details of IAF SU 30 MKIs EW suit??

If a Rafale has sniffed an EL-8222 it is in the French database, which is included in the upgrade. That is part of what you are paying for. The extensive database allows upgraded French aircraft to operate and discern in extremely cluttered environments.

 

[ersakthivel]

If a Rafale has sniffed an EL-8222 it is in the French database, which is included in the upgrade. That is part of what you are paying for.

DOnt make up stuff,

IAF giving Actual battlefield config of EL 8222 capabilities of its 300 flanker fleet to french Rafales is information with no basis.
Even in other exercises with other airforces, IAF flankers used only training frequencies .

Plus rafales sniffing FLanker EL 8222 has nothing to do with Mirages stalling PAF f16s to save SU 30 MKI,