IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[mayfair]

It's not known which F-16 was shot down. Need concrete data to verify.

The only ones who know for sure - IAF and PAF are not speaking for different and obvious reasons.

 

[asianobserve]

You are right in theory, but remember the Taliban knocked out 3 AEW&C in PAF service. Blew up one, damaged two. Did it come out? No.. it finally "leaked" because of a Pakistani politician asking for funds in Parliament and some Swedish paper mentioning the extra business coming Swedens way.

The fact that you now know about these incidents is what I'm saying that in time more concrete information about the alleged F-16 shot down will come out if indeed this incident happened. Things like these will eventually leak out, even from Pakistan.

 

[mayfair]

All F-16s have dark yellow coating inside their fuselage.

Not that I am discounting that claim, but can you provide evidence to support your claim that all the F-16s ever built have yellow coating inside their fuselage?

 

[Rahul Singh]

but Paki F-16 C/D use F-100 PW229, therefore, no grid pattern

Any source?

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[asianobserve]

Not that I am discounting that claim, but can you provide evidence to support your claim that all the F-16s ever built have yellow coating inside their fuselage?

I think I can say with confidence that all F-16s have dark yellow coatings inside their fuselages.

 

[mayfair]

In this image, I can only see the anti-corrosive coatings on the outside and those are standard to all aircraft.

We often see Mig 29s and LCA with the yellow coating as well.

Can you cite any document to show that ALL F-16s have yellow inside?

 

[vampyrbladez]

I think I can say with confidence that all F-16s have dark yellow coatings inside their fuselages.

That's during testing and manufacturer verification. Post that, it is repainted. Often times a soluble upper paint is also used to mark durring delivery.

 

[asianobserve]

More photos showing fuselage skin interior paint:

USAF F-16 damaged wing -

Moroccan F-16 crashed in Yemen (note the flat fuselage skin interior on the upper left-left-hand corner of the photo) -

 

[StealthFlanker]

Any source?

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Plenty
their block 15 F-16 simply can't be equipped with GE engine, while they already choose PW engine for their block 52 fleet

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article14.html

"We are honored by the Pakistani Air Force's decision to continue with Pratt & Whitney as the propulsion for their F-16 Fleet. Building on the legacy of the F100-PW-220 in operation for more than 25 years, we look forward to providing new F100-PW-229 EEP engine to power their latest purchase of F-16s," said Bill Begert, Vice President of Military Business Development and Aftermarket Services for Pratt & Whitney. "We look forward to continuing the long and successful relationship by delivering high quality, dependable engines to our customers in Pakistan."

The F100-PW-229 EEP engine offers the Pakistani Air Force a lower total cost of ownership and an outstanding record of safety. The EEP is the latest evolution of the F100 family of fighter aircraft engines. The EEP configuration will aid the Pakistani Air Force in reducing the life cycle cost associated with scheduled engine maintenance by up to 30 percent through extending the depot inspection interval from 4300 to 6000 TACs

https://www.aviationpros.com/home/p...livers-f100229-engines-to-pakistani-air-force
https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/news70102-html/

 

[Archer]

The fact that you now know about these incidents is what I'm saying that in time more concrete information about the alleged F-16 shot down will come out if indeed this incident happened. Things like these will eventually leak out, even from Pakistan.

Note though it has still not been confirmed by Pakistan officially. Point is they have only finessed the propaganda game whereas IAF doesnt even have a proper PR cell. I am not counting on any F1y info coming out anytime. Pilots family members who speak up, will be threatened into silence and per accounts that's already happened. Overnight, "sources" have dried up who otherwise on day 1 acknowledged a F16 loss to third party guys.

There was also a complete blackout of the IAF claim that it shot down a F-16 in western press for the most part. Journalists who fall over themselves to quote scoops made it a point to not mention it. Not even alleged etc. Complete blackout. Tyler R of warisboring has an article on it and even he dances around a lot of the stuff in a fairly obvious fashion. Relate that to the F-21 hard sale and the conclusions are obvious. It's not in anyone's interest except Indias to have this truth come out, which means it will be suppressed all the more. F16 sales are a bye bye after this event for instance if it gets famous. Whatever were left that is in East Asia, Central Europe, etc. Top up orders. F35 is still subject to US state and defense dept restrictions so LockMart is not a big fan of this story either.

 

[StealthFlanker]

The picture on the left certainly cannot be claimed to be part of a wreckage of an F-16 since all F-16s have dark yellow coating inside their fuselage.

Of course it isn't especially when you see the wide angle shot of that wreckage
See the hole on the tailpipe? the photo on the left and the right side is from the exact same object aka the Mig-21 fuselage

 

[vampyrbladez]

Of course it isn't especially when you see the wide angle shot of that wreckage
See the hole on the tailpipe? the photo on the left and the right side is from the exact same object aka the Mig-21 fuselage

This is about the engine cover not the MiG 21 one. Mig 21s don't have a striped cover like that.

 

[StealthFlanker]

This is about the engine cover not the MiG 21 one. Mig 21s don't have a striped cover like that.

Mig-21 has strips in the fuselage, which you can see in their wreck in Serbia

 

[asianobserve]

Note though it has still not been confirmed by Pakistan officially. Point is they have only finessed the propaganda game whereas IAF doesnt even have a proper PR cell. I am not counting on any F1y info coming out anytime. Pilots family members who speak up, will be threatened into silence and per accounts that's already happened. Overnight, "sources" have dried up who otherwise on day 1 acknowledged a F16 loss to third party guys.

There was also a complete blackout of the IAF claim that it shot down a F-16 in western press for the most part. Journalists who fall over themselves to quote scoops made it a point to not mention it. Not even alleged etc. Complete blackout. Tyler R of warisboring has an article on it and even he dances around a lot of the stuff in a fairly obvious fashion. Relate that to the F-21 hard sale and the conclusions are obvious. It's not in anyone's interest except Indias to have this truth come out, which means it will be suppressed all the more. F16 sales are a bye bye after this event for instance if it gets famous. Whatever were left that is in East Asia, Central Europe, etc. Top up orders. F35 is still subject to US state and defense dept restrictions so LockMart is not a big fan of this story either.

Pictures do not need confirmation from Pakistani government. They can easily be verified

 

[patriots]

Pictures do not need confirmation from Pakistani government. They can easily be verified

If usa....accept s ..loss of paf f16 Then.....
..,.
According to india.....the debris fell in pok so ....india was unable to get any proof

 

[Archer]

Pictures do not need confirmation from Pakistani government. They can easily be verified

Trust me, no pics will emerge for a long long time. It's the human factor which will leak. Or NYT will run an expose on behalf of USG to embarrass the Pakis if needed. That's way this game works.

 

[asianobserve]

Sorry I cannot resist adding more (to finally stop using this photo as proof of F-16 shot down) that the twisted jet exhaust is the rear section showing the fixed noozle of an R-25 engine.

And BTW, here are some photos of PAF F-16s with EFTs:

 

[vampyrbladez]

Pakis will finally admit to their F 16s once India releases EM signatures. We cross train with RSAF F 16s so we must easily have them!

 

[indiatester]

Pakis will finally admit to their F 16s once India releases EM signatures. We cross train with RSAF F 16s so we must easily have them!

They won't accept. Lets realize that this is not a sane enemy. We must count our hits ourselves and evaluate.

 

[Aman kumar]

Pakis will finally admit to their F 16s once India releases EM signatures. We cross train with RSAF F 16s so we must easily have them!

Even if they don't agree... The world will see it and it will be humiliation of Pakistani