IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[Rahul Singh]

The IAF remains confident that Abhinandan brought down an F-16 before he ejected because the radar monitoring its signature clearly showed it going down.

Pakistan, on its part, exhibited the wreckage that it claimed was a MiG 21 engine. However, after a close analysis of the photograph and by stripping down old MiG engines in the Pathankot base, the IAF submitted evidence to the government that the wreckage was not that of a MiG-21 but more likely of an F-16 (see Did the IAF Down an F-16?).


https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...narendra-modi-masood-azhar-1478511-2019-03-15

 

[shankyz]

The IAF remains confident that Abhinandan brought down an F-16 before he ejected because the radar monitoring its signature clearly showed it going down.

Pakistan, on its part, exhibited the wreckage that it claimed was a MiG 21 engine. However, after a close analysis of the photograph and by stripping down old MiG engines in the Pathankot base, the IAF submitted evidence to the government that the wreckage was not that of a MiG-21 but more likely of an F-16 (see Did the IAF Down an F-16?).


https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...narendra-modi-masood-azhar-1478511-2019-03-15

Fascinating read indeed.

"Five bombs struck the targets, three hitting the large complex housing 150 recruits, one the main U-shaped complex that had most of the leadership and the fifth the building that had the master trainers."

 

[Dazzler]

The IAF remains confident that Abhinandan brought down an F-16 before he ejected because the radar monitoring its signature clearly showed it going down.

Pakistan, on its part, exhibited the wreckage that it claimed was a MiG 21 engine. However, after a close analysis of the photograph and by stripping down old MiG engines in the Pathankot base, the IAF submitted evidence to the government that the wreckage was not that of a MiG-21 but more likely of an F-16 (see Did the IAF Down an F-16?).


https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...narendra-modi-masood-azhar-1478511-2019-03-15

R-73 and 77 recovered from your ace's aircraft. A clear sigh that the poor guy never had a chance to fire any missile. So much for f-16 downing theory..

 

[StealthFlanker]

R-73 and 77 recovered from your ace's aircraft. A clear sigh that the poor guy never had a chance to fire any missile. So much for f-16 downing theory..

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To be fair, that are only 3 missiles, Mig-21 bis can carry 4

 

[Enquirer]

The IAF remains confident that Abhinandan brought down an F-16 before he ejected because the radar monitoring its signature clearly showed it going down.

Pakistan, on its part, exhibited the wreckage that it claimed was a MiG 21 engine. However, after a close analysis of the photograph and by stripping down old MiG engines in the Pathankot base, the IAF submitted evidence to the government that the wreckage was not that of a MiG-21 but more likely of an F-16 (see Did the IAF Down an F-16?).


https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...narendra-modi-masood-azhar-1478511-2019-03-15

They're saying that the sheet that media was saying came from the engine cowling does not belong to Mig-21 engine...

Too many qualifiers means....deflection!!!

That sheet (with square pattern) probably came from the fore part of the fuselage!!!

The fact is we haven't yet seen the wreckage of F16 - doesn't mean it doesn't exist! Pakis are good at concealing!!!

 

[Aghore_King]

To be fair, that are only 3 missiles, Mig-21 bis can carry 4

One missile was shoved in the ass of f 16.

 

[Wisemarko]

Any source?

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Yes. All A and B models of F-16 have only PW as a sole power source.
Pakistan selected PW for its new C/D. Read more here: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/51b-proposed-in-sales-upgrades-weapons-for-pakistans-f16s-02396/

 

[Dazzler]

One missile was shoved in the ass of f 16.

Prove your claim with evidence, your claims have been thoroughly debunked all over the world.

 

[asianobserve]

Prove your claim with evidence, your claims have been thoroughly debunked all over the world.

The claim has not yet been totally debunked. What has been debunked are the purported evidence (fuselage skin claimed to be F-16 engine cover, the alleged identity of PAF pilot and EFT claimed to be F-16 EFT) of the F-16 claim. So right now the F-16 shoot down claim only hinges on statement of IAF and a piece of AMRAAM (which even if fully verified as AMRAAM still does not directly prove that an F-16 was shot down - in other words, this is only circumstantial evidence) wreckage shown which taken together are not enough to prove F-16 shoot down.

 

[Aghore_King]

Prove your claim with evidence, your claims have been thoroughly debunked all over the world.

What can we do when your gernails are hiding the wreckage of F 16 and death of a ace pilot Shahbaz Haider , maybe we will release the electronic signature in future, so sit tight...

 

[asianobserve]

@Dazzler

The best evidence that the PAF can give that will discredit the IAF F-16 shoot down claim is an inventory of its F-16 fleet. But for some reasons PAF has not released such data yet.

 

[maomao]

Now, US will investigate the shooting of F16 by vintage Mig21 !! LOL to the people and their shameless mercenary paki army working for dollars and who refuse to take their dead! :biggrin2:

 

[itsme]

@Dazzler

The best evidence that the PAF can give that will discredit the IAF F-16 shoot down claim is an inventory of its F-16 fleet. But for some reasons PAF has not released such data yet.

ALso, the reason why they claimed 3 pilots instead of 1.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

R-73 and 77 recovered from your ace's aircraft. A clear sigh that the poor guy never had a chance to fire any missile. So much for f-16 downing theory..

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Where's the 2nd R73?Oh i know.Shoved up f shola's ass.

 

[Armand2REP]

To be fair, that are only 3 missiles, Mig-21 bis can carry 4

I only see two, where is the third?

 

[mayfair]

I only see two, where is the third?

The other R-73 that was rammed up the F-16 backside.

Of course Pakis are not going to show that.

 

[indiatester]

I only see two, where is the third?

There is one broken one on the far side after the sand bags.

 

[mayfair]

The claim has not yet been totally debunked. What has been debunked are the purported evidence (fuselage skin claimed to be F-16 engine cover, the alleged identity of PAF pilot and EFT claimed to be F-16 EFT) of the F-16 claim. So right now the F-16 shoot down claim only hinges on statement of IAF and a piece of AMRAAM (which even if fully verified as AMRAAM still does not directly prove that an F-16 was shot down - in other words, this is only circumstantial evidence) wreckage shown which taken together are not enough to prove F-16 shoot down.

A few things

1. The evidence of wreckage etc has not been claimed as THE evidence of F-16 shot down, by either IAF or GoI. It has been discussed at length over user forums, "think-tanks" etc. and that's it. As you said, much of it is circumstantial. While some of it (drop tanks etc) do appear to be of F-16 origin, a far more substantive proof is not really available.

2. IAF and GoI maintained that they have electronic signatures, ELINT, real time imaging and reports from their pilots and ground personnel that have confirmed an F-16 shoot down.

3. IAF and GoI showing the wreckage of AIM 120C was to confirm that F-16s were used in the Napaki strike package that attempted to attack and were chased away. The wreckage came from the missile that was fired but was easily countered. Napakis initially claimed there were no F-16s and there were only Bandars and Mirages. US always maintained that AAMRAAMs were supplied for self-defence, GoI and IAF mere pointed out that the use of AIM 120C in this situation was clearly not self-defence and therefore, a clear departure from US statements and hence Amreeki words have little weight in the present or in the future.

4. The shifting narrative of Ghafool, who claimed they had 3 then 2 and then 1 pilot in custody/hospital etc. Video evidence also suggested more than 1 pilot came down. However, all Indian pilots and jets are accounted for, whereas Napaki ones are not.

 

[mayfair]

There is one broken one on the far side after the sand bags.

Could it be the R73 wreckage pulled out from F-16 ass?

 

[Games Goblin]

Very good article with neutral in-depth analysis by a 3rd party on the F-16 downing by MiG-21 bison.

MiG-21 bison alone is not much of a threat - but with close support from variety of IAF assets, it caused USAF F-15 s to sweat during joint excercises.

Worth remembering that IAF MiG-21 is not the Soviet fighter of old - IAF have given it substantial upgrades with 4th gen fighter technology and firepower.

Well worth the read

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...21-bison-versus-pakistani-f-16-viper-bullshit