IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[mayfair]

Not an optical illusion, the honeycomb pattern is present in the "front" end of the engine, the grid-like pattern closer to the exhaust -clearly visible in the second image and the image that I posted.

Newer 229 models seem to have gone entirely honeycomb.

 

[Rahul Singh]

We can clearly see from the above photo of the centerline EFT of an IAF Bison that the front of the EFT is pointed while its rear end is conical, again perfectly matching the profile of the crumpled EFT loaded unto the Pakistani Army truck.

SoP is to jettison DTs before starting any Dog Fight. It is a mandatory practice. As DT hampers maneuvering capability of any fighter.

Now, Wing Co. Abhi engaged F-16 over Indian Skies. Much before that, he would have jettisoned his DT's. So how his Aircraft's Drop Tanks got into PO J&K?

 

[asianobserve]

That all P&W engines have a honeycomb pattern is not entirely correct.

F100-PW-200 does not have the honeycomb pattern. This is the engine that powered all the initial F-16s for a long time.

The honeycomb pattern belongs to F100-PW-229

Once again, while it's evident that F-16 was indeed shot down, it's still a speculation as to which configuration F-16 was shot down

Even if we assume that all of PAF's F-16s are powered by this engine still the pattern in that photo is very different to the patterns in the following photo often cited as proof of F-16 shot down:

 

[sorcerer]

SoP is to jettison DTs before starting any Dog Fight. It is a mandatory practice. As DT hampers maneuvering capability of any fighter.

Now, Wing Co. Abhi engaged F-16 over Indian Skies. Much before that, he would have jettisoned his DT's. So how his Aircraft's Drop Tanks got into PO J&K?

Better NOT ask logical questions to chinki monkeys and paki porkies

 

[StealthFlanker]

The aircraft used by Pakis is one with a MLU pattern. Those carry the GE engines.

No, as i already told you
F-16 MLU simply can't carry GE engine, GE engine are high bypass engine compare to PW engine, and all F-16 with GE engine required enlarged inlet

 

[vampyrbladez]

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Here you go. Your 'proof', possibly an honest mistake eh?

 

[chetan chopade]

It's very hard to believe in raw videos posted online. I will believe it if these so called videos are properly verified at source. Notice that not even the IAF which no doubt wants to show further proof of their F-16 shot down claim is referencing these videos.

that is because IAF and Indian armed forces dont do show biz telecast like ISPR media company...

IAF conduct operations- studies the outcome in due time- declare the operation highlights in a presser- show hard evidence like AMRAAM parts- get back to its business

while ISPR even tweets shit while battle is still going on like teenagers...contradicts itself--- produces propaganda music videos--- tweets cricket match scores and what not---shares random videos-covertly spreads videos where pakis beat WC abhi blooddy to satisfy ego of their zahil awaam- hides their casualties...

 

[asianobserve]

SoP is to jettison DTs before starting any Dog Fight. It is a mandatory practice. As DT hampers maneuvering capability of any fighter.

Now, Wing Co. Abhi engaged F-16 over Indian Skies. Much before that, he would have jettisoned his DT's. So how his Aircraft's Drop Tanks got into PO J&K?

What are the odds that the shot down PAF F-16's EFT, which you imply was jettisoned prior to it being shot down, and a debris of its (F-16's) engine (which fell much later) landed on top of the wreckage of the Indian Mig-21 (which in turn fell even much later)? One needs a lot of imagination to believe it...

 

[StealthFlanker]

Not an optical illusion, the honeycomb pattern is present in the "front" end of the engine, the grid-like pattern closer to the exhaust -clearly visible in the second image and the image that I posted.

Newer 229 models seem to have gone entirely honeycomb.

Look very very closely, do you seriously think they are the same?

 

[maomao]

Abhi saw the F16 going down which he shot, moreover radar signatures captured by IAF confirms the same! What's there to discuss!!

pakis may admit only after 10 yrs that their pride F16 was shot by a vintage Mig21, the way they admitted that they refused to take their dead during Kargil war or how they refused to admit 1971 loss and disintegration!! That's shameless pakistan for you!

 

[StealthFlanker]

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Here you go. Your 'proof', possibly an honest mistake eh?

What do you mean???
What do you think MLU F-16 are? They are not block 30.

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html

Secondly, NSI or normal shock inlet are small mouth inlet, hence all aircraft with NSI can't be equipped with GE engine
MCID are big mouth inlet and only block 30 and up have them
In short, F-16 MLU aren't equipped with GE engine, because they don't have the neccesary inlet design for that

 

[Rahul Singh]

Not an optical illusion, the honeycomb pattern is present in the "front" end of the engine, the grid-like pattern closer to the exhaust -clearly visible in the second image and the image that I posted.

Newer 229 models seem to have gone entirely honeycomb.

The F-16 that was shot down is believed to be a Jordanian F-16 Block 30 resold to Pakistan.

It uses F-110 whose grid pattern on engine's hot/wet section is in a grid pattern.

 

[asianobserve]

that is because IAF and Indian armed forces dont do show biz telecast like ISPR media company...

IAF conduct operations- studies the outcome in due time- declare the operation highlights in a presser- show hard evidence like AMRAAM parts- get back to its business

while ISPR even tweets shit while battle is still going on like teenagers...contradicts itself--- produces propaganda music videos--- tweets cricket match scores and what not---shares random videos-covertly spreads videos where pakis beat WC abhi blooddy to satisfy ego of their zahil awaam- hides their casualties...

Because statements of alleged witnesses needs more verification compared to photographs which can be easily verified by comparisons with other known photos. You do not know these people, whether they're telling the truth, or whether they are interpreting correctly what they saw. So you need to verify their statements at source.

 

[mayfair]

Look very very closely, do you seriously think they are the same?

Cannot discount the possibility that the fragment came from the rear portion, with the horizontal grooves. Especially since the engine image is from the outside, the curvature of the fragment appears to be curving inwards.

Again I have not seen either engine from inside to cannot say what they look like from certain.

Just looking at the image one cannot decisively say or rule out that the fragment came from a downed F-16 (especially one that was downed by an A2A missile). We can only speculate and it seems that's all we are doing, interpreting images in the way that seemingly makes sense.

 

[StealthFlanker]

The F-16 that was shot down is believed to be a Jordanian F-16 Block 30 resold to Pakistan.

It uses F-110 whose grid pattern on engine's hot/wet section is in a grid pattern.

I don't know why that theory is being repeated so many time

The very obvious problem with that theory is that: the wreckage where he got the series number from, is literally the other side of Mig-21 fuselage wreckage, and you can see that in the video as well. That why i said people are so eager with their confirmatory bias rather than to examine the evidence in details.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Because statements of alleged witnesses needs more verification compared to photographs which can be easily verified by comparisons with other known photos. You do not know these people, whether they're telling the truth, or whether they are interpreting correctly what they saw. So you need to verify their statements at source.

When you have Ghafoora go from 3 to 1 pilot and show wreckage of only 1 plane, you know who is lying.

Thing is westerners have a soft spot for Pakis because of cold war association and Iraq - Afghanistan misadventures. Combined with left wing narratives spun in India of 'shitting streets' and 'communal disharmony', image of India is deliberately lowered.

Fact is India went deep into Pakistan, dropped bombs and took out terrorist bases, prevented a PAF counter attack and even took down an F 16 at the loss of a MiG 21, a plane whose phase-out starts this year!

 

[mayfair]

The F-16 that was shot down is believed to be a Jordanian F-16 Block 30 resold to Pakistan.

Actually there are two assumptions here

1. the F-16 that was shot down was ex-Jordanian.

2. It carried a GE engine.

All that we know is that an F-16 was shot down. IAF and MoD have confirmed as much. They have not commented if it were a single seater or two seater, nor have they commented on the pilots.

So theoretically it could be one of any of the 70 odd fizleyas in Shitistani air taxis.

Rest is all speculation.

 

[mayfair]

That why i said people are so eager with their confirmatory bias

Thank you for acknowledging that fact.

 

[StealthFlanker]

Cannot discount the possibility that the fragment came from the rear portion, with the horizontal grooves. Especially since the engine image is from the outside, the curvature of the fragment appears to be curving inwards.

Again I have not seen either engine from inside to cannot say what they look like from certain.

Just looking at the image one cannot decisively say or rule out that the fragment came from a downed F-16 (especially one that was downed by an A2A missile). We can only speculate and it seems that's all we are doing, interpreting images in the way that seemingly makes sense.

I personally see more resemble with the wreck of serbia Mig-21
You can see the clear similarity in that the cross section line are at higher height than the line along the tube
whereas for the engine cover, it is in revert

Of course, there is nothing wrong with trying to make sense of the image, but from what i can see, in both Pakistan and indian forum, people are not trying to make sense of the evidence at all, but rather , everyone trying to interpret images in the way that will make them feel better about their country, so suddenly dozens of random twitter stories are taken as absolute truth, that what i don't like

 

[Rahul Singh]

What are the odds that the shot down PAF F-16's EFT, which you imply was jettisoned prior to it being shot down, and a debris of its (F-16's) engine (which fell much later) landed on top of the wreckage of the Indian Mig-21 (which in turn fell even much later)? One needs a lot of imagination to believe it...

Nobody has said that the said Drop Tank and Engine wreckage were found on top of Mig-21's wreckage. Nearby may be. Maybe picked up by same salvaging team mixing some parts in confusion before starting photoshoot for direly needed propaganda.

Speaking of confusion did someone asked DGISPR and PM Pakistan who was the second pilot they mention during afternoon media brief?

Anyway when an aircraft is targetted by a heat-seeking AAM the area suffering major destruction is the engine. Mig-21 has targeted F-16 with R-73E. Speaking of the odds; which why pieces of F-16 engine might have fallen close to that of Mig-21 which was shot down within seconds of F-16.