IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[Sayaaf]

Then send the massiah ghazwe - hind Pakistani army.

This is what is said in first place why average Pakistani army is giving one roti from there plate to incompetent ******

iF INDIANS ARE BRAVER THAN PAKISTANIS, THEN WHY NOT END THE CURFEW AND LOCKDOWN AND ASK KASHMIRIS IF THEY WANT 370 OR NOT ?

 

[Neptune]

Raj from Call center can do a better impersonation than you btw.

There are no F-16 kill eye witness accounts and you havent refuted the Indian eyewitness account. Come with a rebuttal than I can argue with you more.

You are pathetic, grasping to some random eye witnesses as proof but ignoring everything else like Pakistan not providing evidence and no one else finding any wreckage or pilots


Most eye witnesses don’t know what is F-16 and what is SU-30. Most people probably don’t even know orientation either, east, west, north south. Even in school we were taught eye witness accounts are not reliable and often change.


A quick search will yield plenty of proof and studies that eye witnesses are not reliable.

https://theconversation.com/amp/new-research-reveals-how-little-we-can-trust-eyewitnesses-67663


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/


https://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-eyewitness-testimony-20180508-story.html?_amp=true

 

[Assassin 2.0]

iF INDIANS ARE BRAVER THAN PAKISTANIS, THEN WHY NOT END THE CURFEW AND LOCKDOWN AND ASK KASHMIRIS IF THEY WANT 370 OR NOT ?

Boring........................................
Btw post paid connections are on......
GOI of india is doing this because public wills it remember it was in one of biggest bjp objectives to the public. Public keep supporting GOI. Then they will make situations normal by hook or crook.

Backbone of terrorism is already broken in kashmir. Work of 5 years in wiping terrorists.

Most probably one or two big terrorist attacks can happen but public is already used to that. India doesn't change it's way from terrorist attacks.

 

[Craigs]

They have nothing to release because nothing got shot down.
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Phir tere pet me dard kyun ho raha hai??

 

[Neptune]

Phir tere pet me dard kyun ho raha hai??

That means nothing to me, I’m not Indian, I don’t understand what you said.

 

[Craigs]

That means nothing to me, I’m not Indian, I don’t understand what you said.

As an Indian, I don't need any more proof. The fact that there is no debris is enough for me.

 

[The Ultranationalist]

iF INDIANS ARE BRAVER THAN PAKISTANIS, THEN WHY NOT END THE CURFEW AND LOCKDOWN AND ASK KASHMIRIS IF THEY WANT 370 OR NOT ?

Indians are brave not stupid to allow jihadi piggies to disturb law and order in the country. And muslims are foriegn invaders and terrorists, we consider hidus, sikhs and buddhists only as the real kashmiris.

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

iF INDIANS ARE BRAVER THAN PAKISTANIS, THEN WHY NOT END THE CURFEW AND LOCKDOWN AND ASK KASHMIRIS IF THEY WANT 370 OR NOT ?

Real Kashmiris are Kashmiri pandits who have history of 5000 years in Kashmir. Muslims invaded in 13th century and started calling themselves Kashmiri. How are they Kashmiri when they bow down to a mosque thousands of miles away in Saudi Arabia? Hindus have their culture, language and God native to the land, they also have Himalayas and Kashmir mention in religious texts.

What is domestic for Muslims in Kashmir? Everything, even how to dress, is imported from Arabia. So how are they Kashmiri and different from 56 such Islamic nations?

Tomorrow Muslims will outbreed brits in London and Manchester and will start demanding plebiscite for separate sharia Islamic State then is this demand legitimate?

P.S: There is no curfew now. Only internet and prepaid phones disconnected. Don't drink your own koolaid. Once Kashmiris start paying 10 times for rabies shots and anti biotics, they will themselves kick your Salwar out of Kashmir.

 

[Defcon 1]

iF INDIANS ARE BRAVER THAN PAKISTANIS, THEN WHY NOT END THE CURFEW AND LOCKDOWN AND ASK KASHMIRIS IF THEY WANT 370 OR NOT ?

India will do that after we have killed all terrorists in J&K. So keep waiting. that is all you can do.

 

[aarav]

Paki is probably pissed as previous propaganda provided by his Lawhori logic friends fall like bunch of cards,now clinging on the clutches of paki propaganda talking points,we need such al baki to provide good entertainment most just seethe anonymously,don't troll him too much or he might spam the thread with new pindi churan

 

[Compersion]

And you think Pakistan would not retaliate? This would never work unless India planned a full scale war again Pakistan where they bombed every airfield and neutralized Pakistan’s ability to retaliate. In any case even if India launched such attack at least some Indian aircraft likely would get shot-down unless the Pakistanis turned out to be like the Arabs versus Israelis.

The other scenario is to ambush Pakistani aircraft, similar to what Pakistan did on February 27th. India has the ability to easily shoot down Pakistani aircraft if it so chose to, even multiple aircraft if it planned out the mission well and used all its assets to the fullest. The problem lies afterwards. Unless India planned on flying 24 hour combat air patrols (CAPs) in large numbers the Pakistanis would retaliate. There is no way India can sustain 24 hour CAPs in large enough numbers to keep Pakistan from retaliating. Even if somehow India transferred additional squadrons to bolster forward air bases the Pakistanis are crazy enough to still attack. They have shown how audaciously bold they can be on the 27th. They have also demonstrated they can put a plan together very quickly and execute it; moreover they are not afraid of using propaganda in order to humiliate India and hide their own losses.

In other words yes India can get revenge but then it turns into a slug fest.

Good points:

My premise was systematic : a no fly zone over and in PoK . Ultimately leading to point 3) which I believe would be natural progression since Pakis won’t be able to sustain (perhaps the Bharat ground actions recently can demonstrate - but such would be done and judged by the experts in the right places).

1) Ban commercial (especially international) flights of airlines that do huge and any business in Bharat going above the (disputed) physical territory of PoK under the temporary occupation of pakis and (perhaps) such airlines making payment to pakis. The Pakis air space was earlier closed for long time.

The risk to above would be Pakis plan to shoot down a commercial airliner and blame Bharat. (Hence no fly zone strictly from beginning and say we have such insights to believe terror and “extremists” want to do such things over PoK).

2) make flights go over Afghanistan before entering Pakis areas (not PoK) and providing income to Afghanistan by transporting such flights over their territory and instead coming through Pok into and out of Pakis areas. (Non disputed territory not our internal matter).

Go to any reasonable flight tracker and see the flights that come into and out of PoK (the airlines are ...) their flight paths are clear and obvious. Data can easily be seen. Data can easily be gathered it won’t be difficult for such to adjust.

Thereafter can plan step 3 (when none international flights over the area) ... but like I said each and every paki Air Force plane , helicopter , private army jet , armed forces ballon, drone and even anything likewise to be locked and warned ... inside PoK especially deep inside. Make their system detect the lock. Inside PoK they are flying over Bharat air space.

What is role of Paki armed forces in supporting and abetting infiltration ... the paki Air Force Over PoK is a supportive appendage to such. Stop them from flying over PoK will infiltration come down ? I would say definitely (only a single premise). When Pakis create CFV on LoC are Paki Air Force planes nearby in sky ?

I believe (might be wrong) there is already a policy by IAF that any paki plane comes within certain distance near to loc and border thereafter they have certain actions. The Pakis have done what because of such actions ...

Eitherway with point 1 and 2 it’s pakis surviving such above for few days. Make them realise how much their support for terrorism, regional corporation, and hatred towards Bharat is ...

It’s those pricks that came on Feb 28 and shot down our chap they ought to realise the consequence of their actions. it’s not about revenge it’s about reciprocal action. Like you said they put a plan quickly and executed it - lied their guts out. I would also suspect their ability to sustain a long air support system especially on their better planes.

Do remember Feb 27 was because of terrorist attack and on terrorist activities and Feb 28 by Pakis is because of their support and allignment of such a attack on and because of terrorising elements.

But we need to make it clear to Pakis that PoK it’s not normal business for them and it earning money from outsiders is definitely no go.

Terrorist actions and extremists must know the cost. Paki armed forces are, abet and support such.

appreciate your response it’s practical and needed.

Jai Hind.

 

[Agraj]

We still entertaining this clown ? Idiots like him are rejoicing that they are on grey list and not black. Very soon we will take POK and you will rejoice atleast it's not Lahore

 

[Craigs]

iF INDIANS ARE BRAVER THAN PAKISTANIS, THEN WHY NOT END THE CURFEW AND LOCKDOWN AND ASK KASHMIRIS IF THEY WANT 370 OR NOT ?

30 saal Kashmiri Malsiyon ne desh ko bohot sataya hai, Panditon ko bohot rulaaya. Ab unki baari hai - roone do saalon ko. Teri kyun jal rahi hai. Jaldi Karachi aur Pindi me bhi hum aise hi curfuew lagayenge.

 

[Berkut]

iF INDIANS ARE BRAVER THAN PAKISTANIS, THEN WHY NOT END THE CURFEW AND LOCKDOWN AND ASK KASHMIRIS IF THEY WANT 370 OR NOT ?

We can do what ever we want in our country. Do we question Pakistan army's bravery when your fighter jets pounded Swat (your own territory) ?
Pakistan is irrelevant. You can just vent on these forums.

 

[Neptune]

We still entertaining this clown ? Idiots like him are rejoicing that they are on grey list and not black. Very soon we will take POK and you will rejoice atleast it's not Lahore

Why not it’s a forum? The more he speaks the more it’s evident he and the rest of the Pakistanis are desperately clinging to conspiracies and granny gossip.

Remember he insinuated that Harpreet Singh was the dead SU-30MKI pilot, then Singh magically appeared at Air Force Day. Then when we pressed him about why there is no evidence of shoot down by Pakistan, why no one found wreckage or pilots he backed himself into a corner by putting all his eggs in one basket by citing some random civilian claiming he seen a burning Indian aircraft which was probably just a jet with afterburners on.

Then when asked about why India did not bother hiding MI-17 wreckage he made a moronic claim saying Indians thought it was Pakistani aircraft and no one knew Mi-17 was airborne. This was a lie again because aircraft need flight plans and clearance to takeoff.

I still want to ask him why Pakistan can be trusted when they lied about shooting down Soviet Mig-23s in Afghanistan, why they lied about shooting down 5 Indian aircraft in 30 seconds, why they lied about losing an F-16 in 1987 and why they lied about Bin Laden? On the contrary we should encourage this guy to keep posting.

 

[vampyrbladez]

To all members, Paki ******s are the lowest life form in the subcontinent. It is your sacred duty to make their life as miserable as possible.

 

[Neptune]

https://www.news18.com/news/india/w...ot-strike-hinges-on-one-question-2134039.html

So coming back to onus of proof is on Pakistan. Where is F-16 Proof kill proof ? Those horrible MS paint jobs arent construed as proofs. SO bring about the F-16 kill proof, SU-30 proof will be provided as well. In the meanwhile, Eye witnesses account lend credence to the fact one Burning Jet came back in india and crashed somewhere near Rajouri !

I want to go over this in depth. I have already established that eye witnesses accounts are mostly not credible based on studies, it’s also common knowledge that most average people know nothing about aviation.


First the “burning jet” comment. I have heard and even seen people, that did not know any better, refer to aircraft using afterburners as “burning”. The average person (civilian) will never witness an aircraft engage afterburners unless it’s on takeoff or during training or in combat. Most people don’t live next the airbases and neither do they live next to areas where training and afterburners are used and most people will never see aircraft dogfighting. So we have that established.

The next thing we need to establish is the use of flares. Flares do burn and very noticeably. During combat when another fighter is fired at, it will do two things; drop flares and go into afterburner to escape the threat zone.

The next claim is this supposed SU-30 being hit and coming back to India. I’m sorry if you believe this nonsense that you are spoon fed. The vast majority of the time (and we have many videos and pictures) when a jet is hit it plummets down to earth almost immediately, a few examples would be the SU-24 over Syria, the F-16 over the Golan, the Mig-23 over Libya and the Mig-21 over Pakistan and many more.


Here is that burning and flares that ignorant civilians may miss interpret as an aircraft being on fire.


Afterburners:

Flares:

It’s been almost 8 months and Pakistanis have not released a single shred of evidence of supposed SU-30 kill, and based their history of parading wreckage and pilots and holding theatrical PR stunts it’s safe to say if they had evidence of SU-30 kill they would parade it and probably make it a national holiday. It’s been almost 8 months and no wreckage has been found, no pilots, no parachutes, no explosion and smoke plume. Literally nothing, no country has located any crash using satellite and no think tank or military consulting firm has been able to find any wreckage on satellite either. A 20 ton aircraft with over 20,000lbs fuel does not just disappear in a country with over a billion people of which over 650 million use smart phones.

 

[varun9509]

iF INDIANS ARE BRAVER THAN PAKISTANIS, THEN WHY NOT END THE CURFEW AND LOCKDOWN AND ASK KASHMIRIS IF THEY WANT 370 OR NOT ?

Hahhah... He still has the guts to show his face on this forum. All that fekugiri came trembling down by one evidence, and now resorting to ranting like a teenager. Pakis are really a disgrace to humanity.

Bhosdike bata #WhereIsTheDoosraBanda #WhereIsTheTeesraBanda #PKMKB

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[varun9509]

This is what happens when Indians can't defend a lockdown and how Non Kashmiris can decide the faith of Kashmiris. Harping about democracy yet Decide the fate of people at gunpoint

First take care of your country first. Kashmir is ours, will do whatever we want. Aur sun, POK me bistar saja ke rakhna, aane vale hai hum tumhari gaand maarne.

#WhereIsTheDoosraBanda #WhereIsTheTeesraBanda

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[mayfair]

Inglorious Napaki now shifting goalposts. First it was about 3 piltos, then 2, then 1, then "fog of war", then GC Luthra.

After being bitchslapped and chaddi utaaroed at every step, has invented a new story.

Folks, stop trying to mud wrestle with a pig. You'll muddy yourself while the pigs has the time of its life.