IAF and PLAAF - An Analysis

[kuku]

PRC is no fool, they know the capability of the sytems they choose to copy and modify, it will be foolish on our part to count them weak.

Defeating these systems needs s huge intelligence gathering capability and then the ability to take them out.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

all the facts given by sammy are wrong

International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > China’s “New” Bomber

6 cruise missiles helps a nation achieve air superiority. LOL

 

[kuku]

Super duper PLA-AF with great planes like 300 J-10s (which had so many problems they had to go for a new prototype) escorting 50 transport planes sourced from Russia and filled with sparky level gavins and tough as nail soldiers landing right in the middle of old delhi for some hot biryani at karims, and the whole operation being conducted by PLAAF AWACs with less than a decade of existense (the whole doctrine and coord formed magically overnight)

Oh, lest i forget, the super cruise missile carriers and bombers rendering the radars and sams dead before that happens.

What a crappy thread.

The truth is a damn Mig-21 or its copy will prove to be more than a match for the formidable PLA-AF or the In-AF.

 

[wild goose]

"J-10B is 4.5 generation. We have 3 prototypes of J-10B already.

While China manufactures its own advanced aircraft, India has to import. Even India's imports are behind -- Su-30 MKI is outclassed by J-10B by a half generation."


Just by making 3 prototypes you surpassed MKIs by half a generation!!!!

Simply out of this world

Can't wait to see how many generations you will outclass when you make one or two squadron strength of J10B.

 

[Koji]

Super duper PLA-AF with great planes like 300 J-10s (which had so many problems they had to go for a new prototype)

What problems?

It is the natural progression for continual upgrades. You are mistaken.


And give me a break with the Mig-21. That plane is more of a threat to Indian pilots than it is to Chinese pilots, a true coffin. Around 500 IAF Mig-21s have crashed.

 

[raider]

I wouldnt undermine the J01B, its a pretty formidable machine. I remember reading in a US naval report that the original J-10 was a big threat to the F/A-18. Know with the new J-10 its a whole different ball game.

Heres some information on the new upgrades

Grande Strategy: The Dragon's New Claws: The J-10B Emerging

 

[Sabir]

What problems?

It is the natural progression for continual upgrades. You are mistaken.


And give me a break with the Mig-21. That plane is more of a threat to Indian pilots than it is to Chinese pilots, a true coffin. Around 500 IAF Mig-21s have crashed.

I didnt know we had 500 Migs.............where do you get this type of distorted report?

 

[kuku]

What problems?

It is the natural progression for continual upgrades. You are mistaken.


And give me a break with the Mig-21. That plane is more of a threat to Indian pilots than it is to Chinese pilots, a true coffin. Around 500 IAF Mig-21s have crashed.

Right O fan boy!!!

A production run of around 150 planes broken up for a entirely new redesign that is different enough to be exceptionally expensive. Just because your PRC hides its problems doesnot mean no one can see them.

China it self ran on a huge fleet of Mig-21 copies its still busy replacing them, and none of its planes can stand up to a GC/AWAC Intercept that throws its missiles and goes away.

And get your figures right.

 

[kuku]

^ Yes, that report gives a lot of details about J-10B's advanced technology.



Grande Strategy: The Dragon's New Claws: The J-10B Emerging

ya right, another fan boy website. Thats like asking the barber if he thinks you need a haircut. Or asking the chef if the food in his shop is any good.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

"J-10B is 4.5 generation. We have 3 prototypes of J-10B already.

While China manufactures its own advanced aircraft, India has to import. Even India's imports are behind -- Su-30 MKI is outclassed by J-10B by a half generation."


Just by making 3 prototypes you surpassed MKIs by half a generation!!!!

Simply out of this world

Can't wait to see how many generations you will outclass when you make one or two squadron strength of J10B.

China imports the engine, landing gear from russiaand flight control software from israel.
J-10B is the most capable aircraft the PLAAF possess, making it the biggest threat to Super Hornet.
Is J-10B a fifth generation aircraft? Mki is supposed to be a 4.5 generation aircraft.
The radar is supposed to be PES and not AESA.

 

[badguy2000]

China imports the engine, landing gear from russiaand flight control software from israel.
J-10B is the most capable aircraft the PLAAF possess, making it the biggest threat to Super Hornet.
Is J-10B a fifth generation aircraft? Mki is supposed to be a 4.5 generation aircraft.
The radar is supposed to be PES and not AESA.

J10B is a striking bird, instead a of air-superiority-taking bird.

J10A has better cambating capacity than J10B

 

[A.V.]

the thread has , gone nowhere all members please cut the jingo and the rants and concentrate on an analysis based on the combined power of the air-forces rather than a single plane

members have been banned and warned on this thread so please follow the rules of quality discussions strictly

all rants here by stand deleted

 

[masterofsea]

China had developed types of air-jet with or without help and exported to many countries.

according to chronological order

Q-5

J-8

JH-7

JF-17

J-10

could anyone post some indian combat jets developed domestically.

 

[Officer of Engineers]

Q-5

Modififed MiG-19

J-8

Modified MiG-21

JH-7

Rolls Royce Spey Engines.

JF-17

Modified Russian R-33 blueprints

J-10

Modified Israeli LAVI blueprints

You were saying no foreign help?

 

[Singh]

China had developed types of air-jet with or without help and exported to many countries.

according to chronological order

Q-5

J-8

JH-7

JF-17

J-10

could anyone post some indian combat jets developed domestically.

^^how does it matter ? We are comparing PLAAF and IAF. Not the domestic industrial capabilities.

 

[Officer of Engineers]

I said with or without

Then which one without foreign help? I'm a PLA watcher.

 

[Blademaster]

Too superficial to have any real meaning. The battlespace doesn't allow for 300 planes, let alone 1000.

Not to mention battlespace management. Even though IAF has received its first AWACS, they haven't sufficiently trained the AWACS crew to manage up to 100 planes.

I don't think PLAAF can pull off a USAF type of operation. In fact, USAF is the only airforce that manage up to 80 - 100 planes. Its only counterpart capable of pulling it off are the NATO regional AWACS.

 

[Blademaster]

There is no comparesion between IAF and PLAAF.
Chinese are way ahead from us............

Not really. I see them as roughly on par. Training wise, IAF has the edge but after a couple days of combat, PLAAF can catch up real quick.

 

[Blademaster]

In 1941, Japan thought that USA would have to negoticate peace with Japan ,after USA's pacifc fleet was almost destroyed completely in the Pearl harbour event.

Japan did not destroy USA's pacific fleet. Japan missed USN's four aircraft carriers by misfortune and USN was able to raise the majority of the sunken ships and nurse them back into fighting shape. The victory at Pearl Harbor was a mirage for Japan because there was no follow-through attack by Japanese forces to ensure complete destruction.

 

[masterofsea]

There are two pics,reportedly are of chinese new generation jet fighter.But didn't be confirmed by any official.