IAF V PLAAF over Ladakh ........ If it happens

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Guys

If the Border stand off turns NASTY and we end up in a Full Blown Skirmish the likely hood of air war becomes reality

I want your opinions Guys ............. Do we have enough to maintain Air Superiority in our Space

Notice i do not believe we can get Air Superiority over Tibet BUT can we STOP PLAAF dominating and serously erroding our Northern Air Command

PLAAF has around 200 fighters in Tibet around 100 flankers 50+ J10 and around 50 strike planes

They can seriously add to this easily in event of of losses

They have armed drones & huge nos of long range artillary

Awacs cover and real time satalite coverage

They are well networked BUT i have no idea how they can fight and what tactics they may use
 

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The main goal of Air Force is to strike targets on ground so Land forces can get an edge.
I dont think IAF will look for active engagements with PLAAF on thr advantage points,
same for PLAAF I think IAF can fly low and target few areas at frontline, but PLAAF will try to use its bomber edge from time to time to launch cruise missiles at important targets.
Both forces will play defensive battles but IAF will try to take up smwht offensive roles as well as dangerous near the front-lines more than PLAAF
 

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India almost certainly has better training and the MKI is as good or better then many Chinese aircraft such as J-11, SU-27, SU-30mkk, J-7 and JH-7. The problem is the J-20 would probably dominate simply because it’s RCS would make it difficult to even detect. (Please don’t mention how India detected the J-20, China uses the Luneburg lens to amplify the RCS). The J-20 also has all new avionics and weapons systems and there is no reason to think that those systems are any worse then what the MKI, Tejas, or MiG-29s have.

The other problems are the SU-35s and J-10s which are excellent aircraft. I think if China really wanted to they can put a lot of hurt on India but an inexperienced China would pay the price too. I suppose India could do the same thing if it were to strike first but then there will be retaliation from China.

The main advantage India has is experience. It recently conducted strike in Balakat and then got into a brief air war with Pakistan, prior to that India fought many wars with Pakistan. Post Balakat India committed many blunders and its readiness, communications and ROE were called into question. India, however took steps to remedy those problem so maybe the post Balakat skirmishes was a blessing. The Rafale and meteor will help a lot as will the additional missile orders from Russia and the integration of Mica and Astra.
 

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This is the scenario that worries me. We are outnumbered by PLAAF. We really needed to have the numbers, be it M2k or Mig29 or Rafale or F16 or Tejas.

On top of that our AD is limited to the MR SAM with a range of 100km.

If it comes to a air battle, PLAAF will have the edge, ofcourse they wont get complete air superiority, but we will take heavy damage and may be pushed back.

But they may not be able to hold the area without their infantrymen,who will find it difficult to get past the IA.
 

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India almost certainly has better training and the MKI is as good or better then many Chinese aircraft such as J-11, SU-27, SU-30mkk, J-7 and JH-7. The problem is the J-20 would probably dominate simply because it’s RCS would make it difficult to even detect. (Please don’t mention how India detected the J-20, China uses the Luneburg lens to amplify the RCS). The J-20 also has all new avionics and weapons systems and there is no reason to think that those systems are any worse then what the MKI, Tejas, or MiG-29s have.

The other problems are the SU-35s and J-10s which are excellent aircraft. I think if China really wanted to they can put a lot of hurt on India but an inexperienced China would pay the price too. I suppose India could do the same thing if it were to strike first but then there will be retaliation from China.

The main advantage India has is experience. It recently conducted strike in Balakat and then got into a brief air war with Pakistan, prior to that India fought many wars with Pakistan. Post Balakat India committed many blunders and its readiness, communications and ROE were called into question. India, however took steps to remedy those problem so maybe the post Balakat skirmishes was a blessing. The Rafale and meteor will help a lot as will the additional missile orders from Russia and the integration of Mica and Astra.
J-20 needs to come 50-60 kms our fighters to take a sure shot if take PL-15 to be that good, many of the specialised radars can catch a stealth target around that also keep in mind once J-20 starts using its radar for target guidance in active mode it will be detected by passive sensors in our fighters that would be sufficient warning and also present a window to throw a R-77, Mica or if we r lucky a Meteor ... I am saying 50-60 kms is coz J-20 canards dont provide it all aspect stealth ... still I am comparing its capabilities as good as F-35
 

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This is the scenario that worries me. We are outnumbered by PLAAF. We really needed to have the numbers, be it M2k or Mig29 or Rafale or F16 or Tejas.

On top of that our AD is limited to the MR SAM with a range of 100km.

If it comes to a air battle, PLAAF will have the edge, ofcourse they wont get complete air superiority, but we will take heavy damage and may be pushed back.

But they may not be able to hold the area without their infantrymen,who will find it difficult to get past the IA.
100 kms is huge if our fighters cant go into thr SAM coverage areas thr fighter cant also come, Indian forward positions will surely be covered with a good margine.
 

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100 kms is huge if our fighters cant go into thr SAM coverage areas thr fighter cant also come, Indian forward positions will surely be covered with a good margine.
100km is less when compared to HQ 9 and the numerical strength.
 

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100km is less when compared to HQ 9 and the numerical strength.
if enemy SAM overlaps it doesnt mean The coverage area is open for enemy fighters. Under 100 kms the forward forces are safe, low lying fighters from both end can come and go so thats smthing both land forces need to keep in mind
 

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All chineese jets are based on Russian fighter s .or have Russian engine s
In war time ,the number of sorties matter...
In recent interview with livefist Nambiar sir said we have 900 al31 engine s for our su30..
Russian engine s are Powerful but with low life cycle....and Russian jets need more maintenance...
So the availability rate is the key here...let's plaaf has 1000 jets with 60% availability they will field 600
With 600 iaf jets .. availability of 70% will field 420 jets .......thats it....

China has a hot boarder with Taiwan ....and in South china see ...so atleast 30% of its fighter jets will be for those fronts so
600 - 180= 420
Same with iaf with a hot boarder with Pak iaf s jets will be divided..
J10,j11,j15 ...su35 f7..all have Russian engine
Then airdefense systems..all chineese ads are either Russian or copys of Russian ads ..like s400,s300 hq9 ly80 ..etc
But India has both western Russian and Indian ads ....
Though quantity has its own quality....but we should not forget Feb 27 when jf17 and f16 were in larger numbers unable to defeat a pair of su30....
 

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