HAL Prachand - Light Combat Helicopter (LCH)

[Lone Ranger]

Can anyone please list major differences between Rudra and LCH as i don't see many , if that's the case why HAL is squandering money on this variant ?

Even i seek same info can anyone care to provide this ?

 

[Hari Sud]

Also please enlighten up on the differences or for that reason similarities between above helicopters (LCH and Rudra) and the four hundred new helicopters which have been recently approved to be made in India.

 

[Zebra]

Even i seek same info can anyone care to provide this ?

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feel free to go through this thread.......

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/55186-lch-true-attack-helicopter-rudra-better.html

 

[Zebra]

Also please enlighten up on the differences or for that reason similarities between above helicopters (LCH and Rudra) and the four hundred new helicopters which have been recently approved to be made in India.

Rudra is a weaponized Dhruv, whereas LCH is a dedicated gunship helo.

LCH has better service selling, armour protection, narrow fuselage and digital camouflage.

This will do, I guess.

 

[Lone Ranger]

Thanks for sharing this info and video dude any specific links details on LCH weapons list and Armour.

 

[Zebra]

@Hari Sud,

HAL Dhruv is a decent heli itself.

But only problem with it is it is a twin engine chopper.

Now they are looking for nearly 400 Light Utility Helicopters.

And bcz of cost factor, it doesn't make sense to use a twin engine helo when a single engine heli can do the job.

So they design a new heli named LUH.

 

[Lone Ranger]

@Hari Sud,

HAL Dhruv is a decent heli itself.

But only problem with it is it is a twin engine chopper.

Now they are looking for nearly 400 Light Utility Helicopters.

And bcz of cost factor, it doesn't make sense to use a twin engine helo when a single engine heli can do the job.

So they design a new heli named LUH.

whey they are developing LUH why this order from russia than ?

 

[sgarg]

whey they are developing LUH why this order from russia than ?

The "invitation" to Russia is for setting up a factory to produce Mi-17 and Ka226T helicopters. Not sure if the Russia has taken up or acted on this.

There is no firm numbers commitment on this one. Likely a government to government deal will be signed once a definitive agreement is in place.

HAL LUH will supplement Ka226T if Ka226T is procured.

 

[arnabmit]

Can anyone please list major differences between Rudra and LCH as i don't see many , if that's the case why HAL is squandering money on this variant ?

Even i seek same info can anyone care to provide this ?

Also please enlighten up on the differences or for that reason similarities between above helicopters (LCH and Rudra) and the four hundred new helicopters which have been recently approved to be made in India.

whey they are developing LUH why this order from russia than ?

LCH is a dedicated attack helo, Rudra is a troop carrying helo with limited offensive power.

Weapons load carried by LCH is much higher than Rudra.

LCH is mainly meant for offensive roles, whereas Rudra is meant for defensive roles, in case the LZ is hot.

LCH would act as dedicated offensive platform in mountains or escort Mech Infantry, whereas Rudra would escort other non-armed helos.

Also, LCH is the final product, Rudra is an interim fill-up for capability gap.

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India's requirement for LUH is massive for MHA and all 4 MoD services, which runs into thousands. HAL LUH and Kamov Ka-226T, both would be inducted in parallel.

Also, India has asked Russia to manufacture Ka-226T in India for export to other countries as well.

 

[Hari Sud]

That means LCH and Rudra helicopters are military use helicopters.

And LUH is a general purpose helicopters with duties to ferry people, troops, supplies etc. Is this the helicopter good for ferrying supplies to Siachen, Daulat Beg Oldi and close McMohan line etc. Am I right?

 

[Zebra]

Can any one prove that it was Indian "invitation" to Russia for setting up a factory to produce Mi-17 and Ka226T helicopters in India.

Thanks in advance for such article that proves this "invitation to Russia" theory.

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Well I tried to get any article which says that it was Indian "invitation" to Russia for that matters.

But I end up getting this.....TRISHUL: 'Make In India' Takes Off In Grand Style With Russia (dated- Tuesday, December 9, 2014)

It says.........

This deal was in the making for the last two years. And before you jump to any ill-conceived assumptions, NO, the 'Make in India' plan involving the Kamov Ks-226T helicopter (powered by twin Turbomeca Arrius 2G1 engines) WILL NOT be used as either militarised LUHs or RSHs by India's armed forces. Instead, as Russia's Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin explained yesterday after the annual summit-level talks between President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi, these Made-In-India Ka-226Ts "can be used for search-and-rescue (SAR) operations in mountainous areas", meaning that these helicopters, to be owned and operated by state-owned Pawan Hans Helicopters Ltd, will be used primarily by the Border Roads Organisation (BRO) and National Disaster Management Agency (NDMA).....

Is that true.....?....!

 

[arnabmit]

That means LCH and Rudra helicopters are military use helicopters.

And LUH is a general purpose helicopters with duties to ferry people, troops, supplies etc. Is this the helicopter good for ferrying supplies to Siachen, Daulat Beg Oldi and close McMohan line etc. Am I right?

LCH is a dedicated military helo.

Rudra is 'Dhruv WSI' (weapon system integrated). Dhruv has a civilian version.

LUH is created as per military requirements. Later it would also have a civilian version.

 

[arnabmit]

Can any one prove that it was Indian "invitation" to Russia for setting up a factory to produce Mi-17 and Ka226T helicopters in India.

Thanks in advance for such article that proves this "invitation to Russia" theory.

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Well I tried to get any article which says that it was Indian "invitation" to Russia for that matters.

But I end up getting this.....TRISHUL: 'Make In India' Takes Off In Grand Style With Russia (dated- Tuesday, December 9, 2014)

It says.........

Is that true.....?....!

No it is not true. It is typical Trishul/Prasun mumbo-jumbo.

Read this: Vladimir Putin's Productive India Visit | The Diplomat

SAR and Logistics are the primary application envisaged for LUH category in thousands of numbers for MHA and all 4 MoD services, which are currently being fulfilled by a dilapidated fleet of Chetaks and Cheetals.

Mi-17v5 would partially be made in India. Ka-226T would be fully made in India. Both for Indian internal consumption as well as for export. India would also be the regional hub for maintenance and spares supply.

 

[DivineHeretic]

@Hari Sud, @mans.randhawa , @Lone Ranger. @arnabmit has already presented a general explanation of the differences between the ALH and the LCH. I'll just add a few points of mine to his explanation.

1. Side by side seating v/s Tandem Seating arrangement: The general understanding is that tandem seating is better for attack aviation while side-by-side eating is preferred for transport aviation. The theory is that in tandem seating, the pilot sits in back with the weapons operator in front, enabling better view to the WSO to aim weapons, while the pilot being placed higher, gets a better view for navigation. This results in unhindered 180 degree (minimum) view for both the pilot and the WSO, with the WSO getting a better view of the ground.

This logic was first employed on the AH-1 Cobra which too featured a cockpit redesign as compared to the UH-1 Huey on which it was based.

And apart from that, you also have a slimmer front face profile, always an advantage when facing AA guns or unguided munitions.

2. Structural redesign: For the LCH design, you are basically shaving off the entire structure that was used to hold the passengers in the ALH. In short, that means you are saving considerable weight. Now that weight saved can be used to provide increased protection (think protection against 14.5 mm AA), increased structural rigidity and even increased payload. All of them are very very important, and would take me atleast a post each to do justice to their import.

Also, the fact that the design is now slimmer, with loads concentrated near the longitudinal axis allows for superior maneuverability, especially when loaded.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

As an immediate requirement first 197 will be imported rest will be Indian ..

But these LUH from Russia are for Civil demands not military ..

whey they are developing LUH why this order from russia than ?

 

[Zebra]

As an immediate requirement first 197 will be imported rest will be Indian ..

But these LUH from Russia are for Civil demands not military ..

I doubt it sir. They all will get built under 'make in India'. IMO.

And the second part, I agree. They might go for weaponized LUH / LOH.

@arnabmit

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Yes, The recent deal will be made in India, I was referring to the Military accusation of 197 helicopters ..

I doubt it sir. They all will get built under 'make in India'. IMO.

And the second part, I agree. They might go for weaponized LUH / LOH.

@arnabmit

 

[Lone Ranger]

@Hari Sud, @mans.randhawa , @Lone Ranger. @arnabmit has already presented a general explanation of the differences between the ALH and the LCH. I'll just add a few points of mine to his explanation.
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Thanks for info :thumb: , also can you throw light how LCH stack against other attack helicopters around world for its capabilities , strike power , Armour

 

[Shaitan]

td2

 

[Srinivas_K]

td2

LCH needs a radar of its own for air to air missile launch.