HAL HJT-36 Sitara

[Abhi9]

Dreams to Reality

Courtesy:Tarmak007

 

[Kunal Biswas]

What were those noises from ? must be from lobbies ..

 

[Phantom]

A question to any IAF veterans here: Under the current Pilot Training schedule, when exactly will the combat and transport pilot segregation take place?

Also, will the introduction of a 4-phase training procedure(Basic, Intermediate, Advanced, Frontline) cause any changes in this regard?

 

[indiatester]

Hmm... I was wondering what the new basic looking aircraft was in the sky. I see it being tested almost daily. I'll try to capture a snap next time round.

 

[Sridhar]

Livefist: HJT-36 Target FOC By Dec 2014, Says MoD

 

[Yatharth Singh]

The only thing HAL is good at, is the tightening of nuts and bolts with a screwdriver which, in its term, is called local assembly of a foreign aircraft.

 

[Immanuel]

The only thing HAL is good at, is the tightening of nuts and bolts with a screwdriver which, in its term, is called local assembly of a foreign aircraft.

What is the intention of such a statement and why now? I think one should one should have thier own innner nonsense meter and evaluate their own nonsense before posting.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

What is the intention of such a statement and why now? I think one should one should have thier own innner nonsense meter and evaluate their own nonsense before posting.

Ah another HAL fan. Seems pretty hurt.

Wait a minute, did I said something wrong?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

@YS, He is not a HAL fan, IJT is near IOC and FOC dead line is already declared ..

Ah another HAL fan. Seems pretty hurt.

Wait a minute, did I said something wrong?

 

[bennedose]

Ah another HAL fan. Seems pretty hurt.

Wait a minute, did I said something wrong?

Not at all. You just said something stupid. No law against that, so it's not wrong.

 

[Immanuel]

Indeed I am no fan of HAL, I just think it makes little sense to put out negative thoughts, no one is perfect and HAL has its weaknesses and its strengths and with LCA, Dhruv and other local projects, they are slowly turning things around, best to hope for the best.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

@YS, He is not a HAL fan, IJT is near IOC and FOC dead line is already declared ..

I`m well aware of that.

NEAR IOC!
And what deadlines in Indian public sector means we all know very well. IJT 36 must be appreciated to be developed just within 15 years but I`m not very confident oh HAL about the mentioned FOC i.e. Dec `14.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

Indeed I am no fan of HAL, I just think it makes little sense to put out negative thoughts, no one is perfect and HAL has its weaknesses and its strengths and with LCA, Dhruv and other local projects, they are slowly turning things around, best to hope for the best.

Its not about the delays its about the impact of these delays upon the training of pilots. Currently with Kiran IJT of 1968 in the inventory, is venerable and seriously affecting the training of rookie pilots. IAF has been looking for an IJT for a very long time HAL must understand its role and responsibility,

And that statement was a taunt for all the defence public sectors eager to acquire ToT and doing little with the R&D. They must face tough competition from Indian companies in order to improve,

 

[Yatharth Singh]

Not at all. You just said something stupid. No law against that, so it's not wrong.

Oh sure my majesty, I forgot we had an honorable judge peeking here and there.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Lets not jump on conclusions yet, We have gone through such discussions since 2009 to till date, Lets not repeat same slogans ..
@bennedose, is one of our fine members, His word does have weight ..

I`m well aware of that.

NEAR IOC!
And what deadlines in Indian public sector means we all know very well. IJT 36 must be appreciated to be developed just within 15 years but I`m not very confident oh HAL about the mentioned FOC i.e. Dec `14.

Its not about the delays its about the impact of these delays upon the training of pilots. Currently with Kiran IJT of 1968 in the inventory, is venerable and seriously affecting the training of rookie pilots. IAF has been looking for an IJT for a very long time HAL must understand its role and responsibility,

And that statement was a taunt for all the defence public sectors eager to acquire ToT and doing little with the R&D. They must face tough competition from Indian companies in order to improve,

Oh sure my majesty, I forgot we had an honorable judge peeking here and there.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Lets not turn this nice thread into some ranting bashing garbage ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

India's Intermediate Jet Trainer IJT HJT 36

 

[Jagdish58]

The face-off between the Indian Air Force and HAL over the basic trainer programme festers nastily, much of it in public. But here's something that's been in the pipeline for a while now. And it gives me no pleasure to say I told you so.


The IAF has published a request for information to support a potential acquisition of intermediate (Stage-II) jet trainers from abroad "for a primary task of Stage–II training of Pilots and also capable to undertake a secondary task of Counter Insurgent Operations" (sic).


This was inevitable. The IAF has grumbled about HAL's delayed HJT-36 Sitara for months now. Last month, in a perplexing note to Parliament, the MoD said the Sitara was scheduled to achieve final operational clearance (FOC) by December 2014 (there's been no word on IOC, though). The IAF announcing a requirement in the global market could mean many things: (a) It simply doesn't have faith that HAL will deliver the HJT-36 on time anymore -- the HJT-36 should have been in service by June 2012. (b) It does not have faith in the aircraft itself (spin and stall recovery characteristics remain largely unproven). (c) A psychological pressure tactic on HAL, not unprecedented -- it's on right now on the basic trainer domain.


Either way, the IAF has put out a very specific list of requirements. To quote from the RFI:
The aircraft should be easy to fly and have good control response/agility. The flying qualities should preferably conform to Mil-F-8785C and Mil Std 1797-A. The aircraft should demonstrate the following qualities: (a) Stalling. An unmistakable natural stall warning should be available, irrespective of the configuration. (b) Spinning. The aircraft must be resistant to spin but it should be possible to perform intentional spin upto six turns to either side and recover safely thereafter. The aircraft behavior in the spin should be predictable and consistent. (c) Aerobatics The IJT should be capable of performing loops, barrel rolls, rolls, combination maneuvers and negative 'g' flight without adverse effects on the engine and aircraft structure. The aircraft should be capable of sustained inverted flight for at least 30 seconds at sea level at maximum takeoff power.
Interestingly, the IAF has also specified a 'counter-insurgency' role for the platform it's looking for. In 2011, HAL began the process to kit out the HJT-36 with armament. For its freshly stated requirement, it has specified the following:

The aircraft should be capable of carrying at least 1000 kg of external load. The aircraft should be equipped with a minimum of five hard points and each hard point on the wing should be stressed to carry at least 300 kg stores. The aircraft should be, free from buffet, dutch roll, snaking and wing rock during air to ground weapon training. The aircraft should be capable of employing the following armament: (a) Gun. A light weight gun/ gun-pod with adequate ammunition for at least 5 sec of firing time. (b) Rocket Pods. Reusable rocket pods. (c) Bombs. Should be able to carry at least 4x250 kg retarded or ballistic bombs. The stations should be capable of employing Carrier Bomb Light Stores (CBLS) type of dispensers for carriage of practice bombs (25 lbs and 3 Kg).

Livefist: HAL's IJT Delayed, IAF Scouts Foreign Source

 

[Jagdish58]

May be one more import aircraft i.e., IJT is in waiting who gives a damn about indeginisation

long live IAF

 

[Jagdish58]

Not sure on Saras , and when it will asked to be shelved from induction & branded as tech demonstrator:thumb: