HAL HJT-36 Sitara

[PARIKRAMA]

We have a 250 hours an year cap on OCU training?

some MKI ocu does 240 hours/year and some does just 100/year..

MKI is designed for 6000 hours over 25 years or approx 240 hours a year..

quicker than this we have to get them sooner into overhauls.. which is 3 overhauls over lifetime

 

[garg_bharat]

Why stage 2 training cannot be done on EITHER hawk OR sitara??
Is it necessary for every cadet to fly hawk?

 

[garg_bharat]

I like the idea of LCA trainer. But won't it introduce too many training categories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Military_Flying_Training_System

This article about UK training shows only two type of aircrafts are used for training. What is different in India?

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

There is no question of dropping htt-36 project

Iaf had in the past already asked to HAL to stop the development

HAL said it will go ahead and complete the development and the project with its own money even if iaf is not interested

And I think that is the right approach

Because

It will complete the product development cycle

Give chanch to HAL to analyze where it went wrong - what & why rectification needs to be done
I.e. learning & knowledge curve

And at the end HAL will have a finished product which s ready to be ordered in the next round of orders

Sincebif sitara is ready iaf can hardly ask for imports

And

HAL should not only stop at getting sitara certified but regurly review the scenario and keep upgrading the sitara upto the current times requirements

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

And who says it has to be iaf centric

It can also tap exports markets

 

[aditya g]

The notional LCA-LIFT would replace the MiG-21 conversion that was done at MOFTU. From the LCA training, the pilots would move on to operational squadrons.

You can train all you want in operational squadrons but:

a. Eat into airframe, engine hours thus affecting your overall availability since overhauls will come up sooner.

b. Introduce risk of accidents

c. Distract from operational commitments.

The Navy air arm being much smaller, the effect of having, or not having a LIFT squadron will be more pronounced. But most importantly, it will give STOBAR training to pilots.

From technology and commercial perspective, ADA/HAL can probably field a LCA Mk-1 based Navy trainer much sooner than the Mk-2 Navy aircraft.

I like the idea of LCA trainer. But won't it introduce too many training categories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Military_Flying_Training_System

This article about UK training shows only two type of aircrafts are used for training. What is different in India?

 

[garg_bharat]

I think it makes sense to order LCA trainers.

This should come up when production line capacity is enhanced.

 

[Abhi9]

......................................................

 

[Prashant12]

Spin trials to revive intermediate jet trainer programme soon

NEW DELHI: The indigenously designed ‘Sitara ’Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT), which has gone through a troubled developmental phase that includes a crash in 2011, is set to revival with its designers planning to put the aircraft through fresh wind tunnel tests after a design upgrade.

Top officials involved in the project told ET that the plan is to put the trainer aircraft through the crucial Spin Test - in which the plane is deliberately allowed to stall midair and recovered as part of the training process – within the next six months.

The IJT programme, a Rs 2,989-crore project that commenced in 1999, had hit a dead end after the aircraft failed to demonstrate its ability to get out of a stall and spin, a critical feature needed in a trainer aircraft that would be flown by rookie pilots. Its developer HAL had to call in external consultant BAE Systems in 2014 for a redesign of the aircraft tail to meet the stall specifications of the air force.

“We are conducting a few more wind tunnel tests and should be read for a final round of the spin test within the next six months,” a senior official told ET. The IJT has met other specifications of the air force but has not been able to meet this critical safety test, forcing a change in the pilot training programme.

The air force is in dire need of an intermediate trainer jet as the current `Kiran Mk II’ aircraft fleet used for the training is being phased out.

Faced with a paucity of trainer aircraft, the air force has rejigged its pilot training program from a three aircraft plan to a three stage, two aircraft plan.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ainer-programme-soon/articleshow/56209445.cms

 

[Rushil51]

2 HAL Sitaras in the background

 

[Prashant12]

INTERMEDIATE JET TRAINER: Will come out of the grey and accomplish much-delayed stall and spin trial this year. #AeroIndia2017

https://twitter.com/jrpur

 

[Hari Sud]

Talk when stall and spin test is completed.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Indian Journalism is know to be of the lowest standards with low intellect leftist / secular morons filling the ranks of all the media houses! Hence, we cannot expect any unbiased news from these ready to sell their mother for money type media crooks. These people with no knowledge of defense will write whatever crap they want to satisfy their employers (read: middle men and political masters)!

The breed of journos we have in India is the most lowly, shameless and secular / commie to the core - ready to sell anything in the garb of fake righteousness and anti-national high secular morals! Indian journalism is an apt example of Yellow Journalism!

Leftist are curse on India. People are awaken now and they get kick on their back at every places.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

INTERMEDIATE JET TRAINER: Will come out of the grey and accomplish much-delayed stall and spin trial this year. #AeroIndia2017

https://twitter.com/jrpur

I think trials are already started and sitara recovered in spin trials very quickly.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Talk when stall and spin test is completed.

It has already recovered nicely from spin.

 

[kunal1123]

http://www.janes.com/article/68386/...ins-unfit-for-use-as-intermediate-jet-trainer
India's HJT-36 Sitara remains 'unfit' for use as intermediate jet trainer
India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) HJT-36 Sitara remains "unfit" for service as an intermediate jet trainer (IJT) as a result of "unresolvable" technological problems with the aircraft, senior Indian officials associated with the programme have told Jane's .

"There has been no marked progress in the IJT programme," a senior HAL official said at Aero India 2017 show held in mid-February Bangalore.

However, he added, efforts are still underway to try and re-design the HJT-36's tail to resolve issues linked to the platform's critical stall and spin characteristics to provide trainee pilots with greater manoeuvrability of the aircraft.

Senior Indian Air Force (IAF) officials said that until these issues are rectified, the HJT-36 would remain "unfit" for use as an IJT for fighter pilots.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

http://www.janes.com/article/68386/...ins-unfit-for-use-as-intermediate-jet-trainer
India's HJT-36 Sitara remains 'unfit' for use as intermediate jet trainer
India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) HJT-36 Sitara remains "unfit" for service as an intermediate jet trainer (IJT) as a result of "unresolvable" technological problems with the aircraft, senior Indian officials associated with the programme have told Jane's .

"There has been no marked progress in the IJT programme," a senior HAL official said at Aero India 2017 show held in mid-February Bangalore.

However, he added, efforts are still underway to try and re-design the HJT-36's tail to resolve issues linked to the platform's critical stall and spin characteristics to provide trainee pilots with greater manoeuvrability of the aircraft.

Senior Indian Air Force (IAF) officials said that until these issues are rectified, the HJT-36 would remain "unfit" for use as an IJT for fighter pilots.

This is in contradiction to the news that all problems are resolved except spin trials in which a significant progress is being made. Aircraft entered into spin and recovered rapidly.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

This is a old photo, Side by side HAL Sitara looks much better than BAE design Hawk ..

 

[Jagdish58]

What is the current status of HJT-36

 

[G10]

This spin issue should have been mastered long back. HT2 seemed to fail in this aspect too. HAL has not learned to master it in so many years, dont think they can master it.