F-INSAS Futuristic Infantry Soldier As a System

[shekhar]

Their were many variants of AK-7, The first came out was green with SLR muzzle flasher, Then it was the one i am holding back in 2008, Then it came out in Orange furniture as 1B1, Then wooden furniture ..



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Are you talking about 1B1 ? , SLR worked out well in Indian Armed forces and still active in Paramilitary forces, Why tilting bolt has issues in Indian conditions ? , Are you talking about 1B1 or SLR ?..

For reference >

Do you have any latest news about MCIWS...if we are not able to make a good rifel then how can we complete F INSAS

 

[Adioz]

Why is there no mention of an upgrade of heavy or crew served weapons like MMGs and LMGs, Mortars etc being modernized in conjunction with MCIWS?

 

[Chris Jude]

for soliders you need 5.56 and for terrorists you need 7.62 bullet.

the idea behind 5.56 for regular solider is to hurt him so that more of the enemy's manpower is held up to maintain that solider (medical, transport and other personals), whereas the terrorists and other dont play by this rule, they are their to die or perform their objective, therefore 5.56 which is used to wound the solider is of no use, you need to kill the terrorist (although i prefer to catch them alive so as to extract info and intell).

now BPJ are making it hard for 5.56 therefore their is rethinking on 7.62 (its cat and mouse game)

We should remember that the Army and the Para Militiary use 5.56 for normal combat abd 7.62 for Counter Insurgency operations.

 

[Chris Jude]

Israeli wrist display

V-RAMBO (Video Receiver and Monitor for Battlefield Operations)

The Israeli one is a suitable and compact communication system to my understanding, it looks very wearable and useful ! should be the most suitable one ofr the Indian Army

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Excalibur rifle awaits certification trials

The INSAS rifles, now being used by the Army, have had a troubled history. File photo: Akhilesh Kumar | The Hindu
Excalibur, a fully automatic rifle that fires 5.56mm ammunition, is an upgraded version of INSAS rifle, which was inducted in the mid-nineties.

An indigenously produced new generation rifle, Excalibur, is awaiting user trials and final certification, even as the Army seems to be moving away to a bigger calibre rifle than what has been produced by the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB).

“Fifteen rifles are ready at the Rifle Factory, Ishapore, for user and Director General Quality Assurance evaluation and awaiting trail directive from the Infantry Directorate,” OFB spokesperson told The Hindu.

The Excalibur is a fully automatic rifle which fires 5.56mm ammunition and is an upgraded version of the current INSAS (Indian National Small Arms System) which was inducted in the mid-nineties but had a troubled history all along.

The Rifle Factory, Ishapore has produced 15 prototypes with modifications based on user feedback on reliability, weight, length, compatibility with international sights, aesthetics etc. and has been evaluated by users at the Army’s Infantry School at Mhow, OFB officials said.

“User has recently asked for a few additional features to be incorporated in the rifle. OFB has assured introduction of proposed balance four modifications in a time-bound manner,” the spokesperson said, adding that the project was a joint effort of the OFB and Infantry Directorate.

The Army has been attempting to procure a new standard issue rifle for a decade. Recently, the overambitious tender for rifles with interchangeable barrels was cancelled after a four year process as no vendor could meet the requirements. After that, the Army decided to go for 7.62mm calibre and new Staff Quality Requirements are being drawn up.

Army officials said that due this decision, Excalibur is unlikely to be adopted as the standard issue in the current form but stated that its user trials and the process for a new rifle would continue simultaneously.

There are a large number of INSAS guns which need replacement and repairs. They need to be maintained till the new process is completed. So Excalibur can be certified and used to replace the INSAS till the new rifles are procured,” a senior officer observed.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

How wonderful, Even Hindu editor making stuff based on Rajat pandit TOI bs ..

 

[tharun]

What is the total cost of F-INSAS system?
If total new protection gear(BPJ,Helmet) gloves,Fire resistance clothing, shoes etc can be procured for 50k rupees then total cost for 12 lakhX50k=6,000 crores

 

[aditya10r]

BUT whats the status of the project coz last time i heard that it was broken into two different programs
1. to acquire a good AR
2. to get a good BMS
well the AR tender has been scrapped and there is not much know about the BMS program
i think this will meet the same fate as other drdo projects
(no wonder why drdo is called defence research and development org. it should be called defenceless research and dud org.)

What is the total cost of F-INSAS system?
If total new protection gear(BPJ,Helmet) gloves,Fire resistance clothing, shoes etc can be procured for 50k rupees then total cost for 12 lakhX50k=6,000 crores

i think a good AR itself would cost around 75k and then there are attachements to the gun,NV goggles,BP vest,communication and bms along with other electronics and other equipments.
total kit for a basic soldier will itself cost around 150k

 

[Kunal Biswas]

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[Kunal Biswas]

In reality most of the Indian Army ranks, trained in the practical and common sense tradition of the British Army, would be happier with more modest goals, like an improved assault rifle like MICWS, better boots, and body armor like one developed by various Pvt firms, rather than with a computerized infantry system that shoots around corners and gives the troops instant message capabilities. In particular, better load bearing gear and better quality rations tend to be high on the list of wants for the foot soldier.

These groups are also smart enough to realize that the country maybe getting ahead of itself. The Army, for example, introduced their current assault rifle, the improved 1B1 and even this weapon is yet to be issued to every soldier. Older equipment is still in use and, in a country like India, introducing and issuing any kind of new weapons or gear to every single soldier is going to be a costly, cumbersome, and arduous task.

The best and always is to better what is already in service ..

 

[sayareakd]

If army guy, is given situational awarness and whatsap massages all the time, when he will fight?

 

[Blood+]

BUT whats the status of the project coz last time i heard that it was broken into two different programs
1. to acquire a good AR
2. to get a good BMS
well the AR tender has been scrapped and there is not much know about the BMS program
i think this will meet the same fate as other drdo projects

Why don't you educate yourself instead of giving foot in the mouth statements such as these??

(no wonder why drdo is called defence research and development org. it should be called defenceless research and dud org.)

Learn the language properly kiddo, you can't even express your views correctly!!

 

[aditya10r]

Why don't you educate yourself instead of giving foot in the mouth statements such as these??

Learn the language properly kiddo, you can't even express your views correctly!!

sorry sir,my bad
30_char_sucks

 

[Maj Gen TK Kaul]

Deleted by Mod.............not related to topic.........

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

There shall be no peace anymore, as our beloved brothers don't understand what is peace. They understand only the language of guns and wars.....

 

[tharun]

BUT whats the status of the project coz last time i heard that it was broken into two different programs
1. to acquire a good AR
2. to get a good BMS
well the AR tender has been scrapped and there is not much know about the BMS program
i think this will meet the same fate as other drdo projects
(no wonder why drdo is called defence research and development org. it should be called defenceless research and dud org.)

i think a good AR itself would cost around 75k and then there are attachements to the gun,NV goggles,BP vest,communication and bms along with other electronics and other equipments.
total kit for a basic soldier will itself cost around 150k

Thing is i didn't speak about gun, i just gave rough figure for minimum soldier equipment...
With adding gun and other things cost 150k......so 150kx12 lakhs=18k crores which is 3$ billion

 

[tharun]

So out total budget of 40$ billion 40% is used for capital procurement so that would be 16$ billion....
For total soldier equipment like gun,radio,bpj etc would cost roughlt 3$ billion
Take it account for 5 year program 600$ million

 

[Prashant12]

Deal worth Rs 170 cr for better, lighter Army helmets to be inked

NEW DELHI: The Indian Army is still nowhere near getting desperately-needed modern helicopters, howitzers and air defence weapons, or even new assault rifles and carbines, to plug its critical operational deficiencies. But its infantry soldiers are now finally poised to get some basic protection gear after decades of neglect.

Defence ministry sources on Monday said a contract for 1,58,279 light-weight ballistic helmets, worth around Rs 170 crore, is on the anvil now.

"The deal would have been inked much earlier after the CNC (contract negotiation committee) was completed. But there has been a complaint, as also some financial queries...these are now being addressed," said a source.

If the contract for the new helmets is indeed inked, it will be the second such deal to ensure better personal protection for infantry soldiers, who are often forgotten in the clamour for sophisticated weapon systems.

As was first reported byTOIin March, the Army had inked the Rs 140 crore contract for "emergency" procurement of 50,000 new bullet-proof jackets from Tata Advanced Materials Limited after a delay of over a decade.

Similarly, the proposed purchase of the ballistic helmets -with 13mm trauma protection pads -is slated to take place from an Indian manufacturer, MKU.The helmets for "commanders" will also be equipped with integrated communication headsets.

The Army has been demanding light-weight ballistic helmets for almost two decades now because the existing ones are not only bulky, but also provide protection from only splinters and rocks.

"Head injuries are a major problem in both conventional as well as counter-insurgency operations. We want ballistic helmets that can stop 9mm bullets from around 20 metres. It should also be possible to mount night-vision sights, protective goggles and other devices on them," said a senior officer.
"Such helmets would be a great morale booster for soldiers, who make do with old, heavy helmets that only give limited protection to the top of heads and not the sides," he added.

Consequently, soldiers generally prefer to use the lighter bullet-proof "patkas" during counter-insurgency operations.
"But they too weigh around 2.5 kg and protect only the forehead and the back of the head," said another officer.

In contrast, soldiers in advanced countries wear ultra-light helmets made of high-tenacity composite and polyethylene materials. Some helmets also integrate video cameras, thermal, chemical and biological sensors, along with visors which act as "heads-up computerized display monitors" in front of the eyes.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...helmets-to-be-inked/articleshow/54023127.cms?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Dedicated thread : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/army-combat-helmet-deal-have-been-inked.77334/

Deal worth Rs 170 cr for better, lighter Army helmets to be inked

NEW DELHI: The Indian Army is still nowhere near getting desperately-needed modern helicopters, howitzers and air defence weapons, or even new assault rifles and carbines, to plug its critical operational deficiencies. But its infantry soldiers are now finally poised to get some basic protection gear after decades of neglect.

Defence ministry sources on Monday said a contract for 1,58,279 light-weight ballistic helmets, worth around Rs 170 crore, is on the anvil now.

"The deal would have been inked much earlier after the CNC (contract negotiation committee) was completed. But there has been a complaint, as also some financial queries...these are now being addressed," said a source.

If the contract for the new helmets is indeed inked, it will be the second such deal to ensure better personal protection for infantry soldiers, who are often forgotten in the clamour for sophisticated weapon systems.

As was first reported byTOIin March, the Army had inked the Rs 140 crore contract for "emergency" procurement of 50,000 new bullet-proof jackets from Tata Advanced Materials Limited after a delay of over a decade.

Similarly, the proposed purchase of the ballistic helmets -with 13mm trauma protection pads -is slated to take place from an Indian manufacturer, MKU.The helmets for "commanders" will also be equipped with integrated communication headsets.

The Army has been demanding light-weight ballistic helmets for almost two decades now because the existing ones are not only bulky, but also provide protection from only splinters and rocks.

"Head injuries are a major problem in both conventional as well as counter-insurgency operations. We want ballistic helmets that can stop 9mm bullets from around 20 metres. It should also be possible to mount night-vision sights, protective goggles and other devices on them," said a senior officer.
"Such helmets would be a great morale booster for soldiers, who make do with old, heavy helmets that only give limited protection to the top of heads and not the sides," he added.

Consequently, soldiers generally prefer to use the lighter bullet-proof "patkas" during counter-insurgency operations.
"But they too weigh around 2.5 kg and protect only the forehead and the back of the head," said another officer.

In contrast, soldiers in advanced countries wear ultra-light helmets made of high-tenacity composite and polyethylene materials. Some helmets also integrate video cameras, thermal, chemical and biological sensors, along with visors which act as "heads-up computerized display monitors" in front of the eyes.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...helmets-to-be-inked/articleshow/54023127.cms?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

NSG's 'future soldier' programme to be revived with Make-in-India twist

The National Security Guard, India's special forces unit, plans to revive its 'future soldier' programme, which was shelved in 2013 due to logistics issues. The renewed project comes with a Make-in-India twist, as the elite force has roped in DRDO and IIT-Mumbai to give a final shape to the soldier prototype.

About 40 countries are working on similar programmes, including US, UK, France, Germany, Russia and Israel, that entails future ground warfare and survivability in diverse terrains. While the West has a clear head start on such projects, India is aiming to achieve the mission by 2025.

"Yes, we are working on reviving the future soldier project," NSG director general Sudhir Pratap Singh told Mail Today. However, Singh refused to divulge more details of the project.

PROJECT MORE PROMISING, RESULT ORIENTED: OFFICIALS

Originally mooted in 2011, after the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack in 2008, the project was assigned to Bharat Electronic Ltd (BEL) but lost steam midway as costs of making of one unit of armour escalated. Sources said the BEL did come up with a prototype, with a whopping cost of Rs 12-13 crore for 30 soldiers.

However, a renewed commitment of the current dispensation with Make-in-India factor has given the 'future soldier' project a fresh thrust. A senior officer in the NSG described the project as "more promising and result oriented".

Lauding the indigenous push, former NSG DG Arvind Ranjan, who was part of the programme during his tenure in 2012, said it is important to develop indigenous programme as no country will share top secret project of this kind.

"I travelled to many countries (to study such projects), but they were willing to share only rudimentary technology," Ranjan said. "We have the best soldiers in the world, and if they are provided with the best technology, it will act as a force multiplier."

Comparing the project with US Navy Seals raiding party in 2011, R K Medhekar, also a former DG of the force, said once the commandos get advanced devices fitted to their body, NSG operations could be viewed real time by commanding officers as was in the case during the raid on Osama.

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Medhekar said a lot of progress has been made in equipments since NSG's first project was shelved. "Now we have non-reflective goggles, night-vision glasses and communication on encrypted codes."

He said the idea of camera on top is to ensure that the soldier is not distracted by reporting back. "It had other advantages to know location of self and team mates. In the last project too, DRDO was working on a lighter uniform with GPS devices. But cost overruns took a toll. Experts said the project aims to equip our soldier with high-tech weapons to undertake specialised operations through land, air and water.

"We need mobility, lethality, survivability in our forces on par with world's best forces," major general (retired) P K Sehgal told Mail Today.