F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[asianobserve]

The squadron is FOC.
That doesn't mean automatically the bird is FOC..... give me a source explaining the F35 is FOC.

Each operator either USMC, USAF, USN, RAF, RN, RNAF, JSDAF, etc. will deternine their own FOC timing.

 

[BON PLAN]

Each operator either USMC, USAF, USN, RAF, RN, RNAF, JSDAF, etc. will deternine their own FOC timing.

Indeed.
So it's factualy not true to say B35B is FOC.

 

[asianobserve]

Indeed.
So it's factualy not true to say B35B is FOC.

At least for the F-35C of the USMC. The USMC's F-35B is not yet FOC.

 

[BON PLAN]

At least for the F-35C of the USMC. The USMC's F-35B is not yet FOC.

It is the squadron that is FOC. Not the bird. B or C....

 

[asianobserve]

It is the squadron that is FOC. Not the bird. B or C....

The F-35C of the USMC is already FOC.

 

[Wisemarko]

It is the squadron that is FOC. Not the bird. B or C....

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Some threads get boring, fact from reality is mirred and all we see is boring old arguments. Reality is the F-35 is a good 5th gen aircraft, is it perfect, no, is it better than other 4.5 gen aircraft yes. Does it have teething problems, plenty, but does it deliver the goods with a long road map for upgrades, next gen weapons etc, yes. Most 4.5 gen aircraft won't stand a chance in fighter competitions. The F-35 will be the same price as the Rafale or EF or even less while offering better overall capability. Not to mention, traditional US allies will favor it over others. It's easier to sell Rafale to countries that already operate the Mirage 2000. Does this mean the Rafale isn't a great aircraft, not at all. Perhaps the best 4.5 gen aircraft for the capability and it will serve reliably in the IAF.

India is not a traditional us ally , Saar .
India will never buy a us fighter jet or else India would have bought f 21 itself.

 

[Fonck83]

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No the squadron is FOC mean only people are ready to deploy F-35C not that the f-35C is FOC. Do you really think that a plane with a so small MC rate can be FOC and ready for milestoneC. You don't even know what you are speaking. The only FOC that can be given is by the whole navy not by a single squadron.

 

[Wisemarko]

No the squadron is FOC mean only people are ready to deploy F-35C not that the f-35C is FOC. Do you really think that a plane with a so small MC rate can be FOC and ready for milestoneC. You don't even know what you are speaking. The only FOC that can be given is by the whole navy not by a single squadron.

All F-35 are IOC only.

 

[Bhurki]

India is not a traditional us ally , Saar .
India will never buy a us fighter jet or else India would have bought f 21 itself.

India will have to choose to side with US if it wants to survive.
This isn't so clear right now. Things will be different 5-10 years from now.

 

[asianobserve]

India is not a traditional us ally , Saar .
India will never buy a us fighter jet or else India would have bought f 21 itself.

You have to look long term. India right now cannot stand as a super power by herself. She needs more military, industrial, technological and financial maturity. The best way to do this is choose a side where she can best learn these things from. Is it Russia and China's side or West's side?

What I mean is very much what SoKor is doing but on a larger scale. But if pride and shortsightedness continue to reign supreme then that superpower status is going to take much longer...

 

[fire starter]

You have to look long term. India right now cannot stand as a super power by herself. She needs more military, industrial, technological and financial maturity. The best way to do this is choose a side where she can best learn these things from. Is it Russia and China's side or West's side?

What I mean is very much what SoKor is doing but on a larger scale. But if pride and shortsightedness continue to reign supreme then that superpower status is going to take much longer...

Every thing looks good on paper when u r completely unaware of the ground realities. Same USA is trying is trying to do regime change and mass conversion here.

 

[asianobserve]

Every thing looks good on paper when u r completely unaware of the ground realities. Same USA is trying is trying to do regime change and mass conversion here.

The US is not doing regime change. That's Russian propaganda. Every US administration wants to be close to whoever the Indian PM is. Just look at how Trump tried very hard to please Modi. On a less obvious level, Biden is doing the same. But India has to comit.

 

[Bhurki]

India will have to choose to side with US if it wants to survive.
This isn't so clear right now. Things will be different 5-10 years from now.

The reason being rapid growth.
US/China economy ratio was 1.5 in 2019.
($21T/$14T)

Within just two years, this ratio has come down by 10%

In 2021, China rises to $16.6T, while US is at $22.6T, making the ratio just 1.35.

It wouldn't take more than 6-7 years for China to take over the primary economy position and no more than 10 years to become the reserve currency of the world.

 

[asianobserve]

The reason being rapid growth.
US/China economy ratio was 1.5 in 2019.
($21T/$14T)

Within just two years, this ratio has come down by 10%

In 2021, China rises to $16.6T, while US is at $22.6T, making the ratio just 1.35.

It wouldn't take more than 6-7 years for China to take over the primary economy position and no more than 10 years to become the reserve currency of the world.

So if China overtakes the US in GDP size India will side with China?

 

[Bhurki]

So if China overtakes the US in GDP size India will side with China?

There's no 'siding' with China. You are either absolutely subservient to it, or you are not.

The option India chooses will depend on who wants to let India be less subservient to principal partner and allow it enough autonomy so the politicians can face the public. But yeah, times are going to be tough for Indians.

 

[asianobserve]

There's no 'siding' with China. You are either absolutely subservient to it, or you are not.

The option India chooses will depend on who wants to let India be less subservient to principal partner and allow it enough autonomy so the politicians can face the public. But yeah, times are going to be tough for Indians.

So is France too subservient to US power?

 

[Bhurki]

So is France too subservient to US power?

I dont get the connection.
But no, france is probably the most self dependant(within western europe)when it comes to fielding indigenous tech, even if it happens at a higher cost.

 

[asianobserve]

I dont get the connection.
But no, france is probably the most self dependant(within western europe)when it comes to fielding indigenous tech, even if it happens at a higher cost.

Exactly my point.

France is firmly in Western camp and yet is known for independence from US. In fact India prefers to buy high end weapons from France due to this. In other words, France is maximizing benefits in being in the Western camp while maintaining enough independence.

Why xan't India do the same, instead of instinctive "middle (to nowhere) path."

 

[Bhurki]

Exactly my point.

France is firmly in Western camp and yet is known for independence from US. In fact India prefers to buy high end weapons from France due to this. In other words, France is maximizing benefits in being in the Western camp while maintaining enough independence.

Why xan't India do the same, instead of instinctive "middle (to nowhere) path."

Because there is neither inherent capability of technology (which in france's case, they got at the end of ww2), nor a national will to put domestic projects into the fastlane.

This means whenever India gets to complete a certain project, it often turns out to be outdated already. There's a certain inertia that doesn't let flow the strategy-technology-capability stream unhindered.

And in this silicon era, even the likes of France, UK are having a hard time trying to be on top of their game without having to sink billions of $ every year into R&D.

The only way you survive times like this is by instituting a total war mentality, which means if you lose, you cease to exist. Anything less than that, and the results will be appalling.