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The famous canon that doesn't fired straight.....
But it's not important. In Switzerland we have seen that simulator flights are the key.
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
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But it's not important. In Switzerland we have seen that simulator flights are the key.
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Luftfahrtexperte Georges Bridel: F-35-Kauf wäre unverständlich
Der US-Kampfjet sei gut für vernetzte Bombenangriffe, aber schlecht für die Schweiz, sagt der langjährige Kampfflugzeugspezialist.
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Aviation expert Georges Bridel : F-35 purchase would be incomprehensible
Georges Bridel / 06/27/2021 The US fighter jet is good for networked bombing attacks, but bad for Switzerland, says the long-time fighter specialist.
Ed. In response to various publications on fighter jet procurement in the Infosperber, the internationally known Swiss aviation expert Georges Bridel sent us a pointed statement on the controversial arms business. Infosperber puts them up for discussion in full.
Procurement F-35: an incomprehensible preference of the DDPS
In the ongoing discussion about the procurement of a new fighter jet, it is largely only about the aircraft types available for selection. The context, that is, the security and defense policy framework conditions that are essential for Switzerland, is lost.
Exclusion of the security policy context
The requirements of modern air warfare were addressed with mention of the worldwide dangers. But there is largely no realistic classification in the Swiss context: What specific scenarios is Switzerland affected by? This evidently gives rise to priorities that have not been discussed in politics either. For example air-to-ground use. In particular, it is also about the inevitable division of tasks between us and the neighbors, how the most efficient security can be achieved together.
F-35 with a different profile than what we need it to be
The deficit of the F-35 in the air police: A rapid intervention (technical jargon "QRA") fulfills the F35 far less well than the European competitors Eurofighter and Rafale. The time required by the F-35 to intercept an aircraft at 11,000 meters with a climb to 11 kilometers (typical flight altitude of commercial aircraft) and subsequent tracking (supersonic) is at least 50 percent higher than that of a high-performance standard fighter. This takes over 1 minute longer compared to the competition. In aerial warfare, these are ages. The F-35 could not be procured based on this criterion alone: the competition literally flies away from it. The F-35's stealth capability plays only a minor role in defensive air defense.
The F-35 is designed for complex and networked air-to-ground air war scenarios (bomb attacks by the editor) with several aircraft. Such an F-35 fleet depends on the support of a variety of other means, such as reconnaissance aircraft, early warning aircraft ("AWACS"), high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft ("HALE"), tanker aircraft, satellites and - depending on the threat in the target area - escort fighters. This is a classic NATO alliance in the NATO scenario. Switzerland will never be able to afford that in a sovereign manner.
Apart from the key question already mentioned: For which Swiss scenarios actually? This would only make sense if the Swiss Air Force also took part in “out-of-area” missions (deployments far beyond the national borders, possibly with the relocation of the aircraft. D. Ed.) And for your own safety together with the other Europeans on the periphery of Europe, namely where real military threats arise - and not over our territory.
Extensive dependence on the USA
As part of the above-mentioned NATO integration, a complete dependency on US industry and the US Department of Defense (DoD) arises. The control particularly affects the most important cross-linking agent, the highly secret "MADL" Datalink. This means that the F-35 is not directly compatible with other European aircraft such as the Eurofighter, Rafale, F-16, Gripen, etc. - but only to a limited extent via the conventional so-called Link-16.
- In contrast to the operation of the F-16 in the smaller NATO countries, the USA operates the F-35 operation exclusively with each individual country and thus hinders the cooperation and the exchange of data with one another.
The report in the NZZ, according to which the F-35 (according to Armasuisse) has much lower operating costs than the competition, is apparently based on the simulation of the F-35, which saves flight hours.
On what basis is this result based? According to reports, based on analyzes by the manufacturer Lockheed-Martin. If the three fellow competitors were not asked for such an analysis, the VBS would have a real problem. Because all competitors have extensive simulation facilities with which the flight hours and thus the operating costs of the entire fleet can be reduced significantly. If each individual ability were assessed using such a calculation, unfavorable properties of the F-35 could be offset against the lower flight hour costs and thus put into perspective. That would be absurd.
Now, when it comes to operating costs, the manufacturer can never be used alone. Is manufacturer A more honest than manufacturer B? Information on the future development of flight hour costs based on statistics or analyzes must be available to all competitors and presented in a completely transparent manner.
What happens if these costs later turn out to be unexpectedly higher than in the offer? It is completely impossible to provide prospective cost information in relation to the ongoing development of the system (so-called "upgrades"). As the entire trade press and the pronouncements of national control authorities can be seen, there arise the great costs - and from that the whole controversy up to the filthy naming of the F-35 program ("A piece of shit" the editor.) By a former US -Minister of Defense.
An example: The upgrade block 4 for the 48 F-35s of the RAF / Royal Air Force (software, weapons integration) alone costs between 1 and 2 billion GBP (pound sterling). Incidentally, the UK cannot afford more than the 48 F-35Bs for the time being and thus equip the two large aircraft carriers with only 24 units each. However, this minus a number of aircraft that have to stay on land for maintenance, training and upgrades anyway. That's pretty poor!
If the DDPS relies only on the manufacturer's information, the whole exercise is not productive.
Missing control instruments?
These as yet unconfirmed facts raise questions about the professionalism of the evaluation. What is the state of the control bodies for armaments procurement? How was it possible that all authorities (Armasuisse, army staff, politics, parliaments) waved through the procurement of Gripen without resistance, even though it was clearly proven back then (2013) that this procurement was not feasible? We should have received the first plane in 2018. Now the first aircraft in Sweden will not be delivered until 2023 (according to the Swedish Air Force in January 2021). This would have doubled our delivery times, namely from 5 to 10 years. It's not about the quality of the Gripen E, which would have been good enough for our services if it existed ...
Obviously, there is a lack of the necessary control bodies in Switzerland as they exist abroad: in the USA the GAO (General Accounting Office) and the congress hearings, in Germany the Federal Audit Office and the very effective parliamentary committees for defense and budget. In France there are a number of control bodies such as the Cour des Comptes, the Inspection générale des Armées and parliamentary commissions.
In Switzerland there are security and financial policy commissions and committees. But the control instruments are obviously underdeveloped.
Conclusion
- The debate about the new aircraft today is far too fixated on air warfare and air-to-ground. For decades, however, the "emergency" of the Swiss Air Force has been the responsibility of the air police and the temporary establishment of protection zones at international conferences and major events.
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If what you say is true that the F-35 can't shoot its canon straight then Rafale must be worse since based on the evaluation by the Swiss the losers (Rafale included) are at least 95% behind the F-35 per evaluation... Poor Rafale.
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Full BS.If what you say is true that the F-35 can't shoot its canon straight then Rafale must be worse since based on the evaluation by the Swiss the losers (Rafale included) are at least 95% behind the F-35 per evaluation... Poor Rafale.
Give me a single source for the 95% behind my dear
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Not 95% but 95 points, my bad.
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I agree.
And all depends the relative weight of each criteria.
We also don't know what were the maximum points available.... 400? 600? 1000? it may change the paradigm.
“With 336 points, it showed the highest overall benefit and was the clear winner with a lead of 95 points or more over the other candidates. This aircraft scored best in three of the four main criteria evaluated,” the Swiss statement added.
You are right: 95 points out of 336 is 28%. That means F-35 was at least 28% better and ahead in 3 out of 4 categories of evaluations than rest of the competition. A clear winner!
I think it’s time for you to move on to something else. F-35 is beyond reach for your usual BS.
US Marine Corps’ F-35C squadron achieves full operational capability (FOC)
(From the top) F-35A of the 33rd FW, F-35B of VMFAT-501 and F-35C of VFA-101 near Eglin AFB, 2014. Credit: U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Katerina Slivinske.
The US Marine Corps (USMC) has announced that its 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing’s Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 314 (VMFA-314) declared full operational capability (FOC) for the F-35C Lightning II.
This is the first FOC declaration for USMC, confirming that VMFA-314 is prepared and equipped to successfully deploy F-35C aboard US Navy aircraft carriers.
F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighter (JSF) is a stealthy, supersonic multirole fighter developed by Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company for the US Air Force (USAF), US Navy, and USMC.
The JSF models are the F-35A, a conventional take-off and landing aircraft (CTOL), the F-35B, a short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft, and the F-35C, a carrier variant (CV).
(From the top) F-35A of the 33rd FW, F-35B of VMFAT-501 and F-35C of VFA-101 near Eglin AFB, 2014. Credit: U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Katerina Slivinske.
The US Marine Corps (USMC) has announced that its 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing’s Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 314 (VMFA-314) declared full operational capability (FOC) for the F-35C Lightning II.
This is the first FOC declaration for USMC, confirming that VMFA-314 is prepared and equipped to successfully deploy F-35C aboard US Navy aircraft carriers.
F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighter (JSF) is a stealthy, supersonic multirole fighter developed by Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company for the US Air Force (USAF), US Navy, and USMC.
The JSF models are the F-35A, a conventional take-off and landing aircraft (CTOL), the F-35B, a short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft, and the F-35C, a carrier variant (CV).
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No.
If the maximum points available is for exemple 1000.
F35 has 33.8%
The second has 24.1%
Not the same result......
We don't know about the max possible, but if F35 wins in 3 of 4 categories, the maximum is higher than 336. And even if it is the best in a categorie, that doesn't means it has reach 100% in it.
Remember the Dutch eval... F35 wins with a paper only supercruise, a FOC in 2016... Just for exemple.
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Now the serious things are coming.US Marine Corps’ F-35C squadron achieves full operational capability (FOC)
(From the top) F-35A of the 33rd FW, F-35B of VMFAT-501 and F-35C of VFA-101 near Eglin AFB, 2014. Credit: U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Katerina Slivinske.
The US Marine Corps (USMC) has announced that its 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing’s Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 314 (VMFA-314) declared full operational capability (FOC) for the F-35C Lightning II.
This is the first FOC declaration for USMC, confirming that VMFA-314 is prepared and equipped to successfully deploy F-35C aboard US Navy aircraft carriers.
F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighter (JSF) is a stealthy, supersonic multirole fighter developed by Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company for the US Air Force (USAF), US Navy, and USMC.
The JSF models are the F-35A, a conventional take-off and landing aircraft (CTOL), the F-35B, a short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft, and the F-35C, a carrier variant (CV).
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Obviously at 3/4 win of all categories the F-35 did not win 100% of all the 4 categories. In other words, another plane other than the F-35 won 1 of the 4 categories. Now what is that plane? SH, Rafale or EF?
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We don't know, and I think we will never know.
One leak, why not. Another one, NO.
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That's not fanboy fantasies. That's the official report from the Swiss federal Council
Air2030: Federal Council decides to procure 36 F-35A fighter aircraft
Current information from the Federal Administration. All press releases from the Federal Administration, the departments and offices.
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Sorry, no.That's not fanboy fantasies. That's the official report from the Swiss federal Council
Air2030: Federal Council decides to procure 36 F-35A fighter aircraft
Current information from the Federal Administration. All press releases from the Federal Administration, the departments and offices.www.admin.ch
It's a copy and paste document from LM marketing.
An official technical report has this form :
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It's a press release of the Swiss Federal Administration in their official website about the selection of F-35.
You can’t win fanboy logic: “But but my Blackberry is better than your iPhone 12.. it is a generation behind and doesn’t have the same abilities but it has buttons and iPhone doesn’t!”
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JUST IN: Watchdog Calls F-35 Program ‘Unaffordable’
JUST IN: Watchdog Calls F-35 Program ‘Unaffordable’
Projected sustainment costs for the F-35 joint strike fighter are unaffordable, and the problem will only get worse if no further action is taken, the Government Accountability Office warned in a new report released July 7.
The cost to operate the platform can be as high as $38,000 per flying hour, according to estimates from the F-35 Joint Program Office.
The Air Force’s situation is becoming increasingly serious, the study said. Service officials told the watchdog that the only options available to meet budget constraints may be to buy fewer platforms or reduce flying hours.
“According to Air Force officials, the steps taken by the Affordability War Room are prudent, but the results have not been sufficient to significantly improve the affordability of the program,” the report said.
“F-35 mission capable rates — a measure of the readiness of an aircraft fleet — have recently improved, but still fall short of warfighter requirements,” according to the report.
“While the F-35’s mission capable and full mission capable rates have improved over the past two years, these rates remain well below the program’s objectives due to several significant and ongoing sustainment challenges,” the report said.
Not a problem for switzerland. They are so rich !
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They just erase the LM logo at the front.
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Italian Aircraft carrier now ready to accept F-35Bs.
As well as JS Izumo.
As well as JS Izumo.
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The squadron is FOC.US Marine Corps’ F-35C squadron achieves full operational capability (FOC)
(From the top) F-35A of the 33rd FW, F-35B of VMFAT-501 and F-35C of VFA-101 near Eglin AFB, 2014. Credit: U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Katerina Slivinske.
The US Marine Corps (USMC) has announced that its 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing’s Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 314 (VMFA-314) declared full operational capability (FOC) for the F-35C Lightning II.
This is the first FOC declaration for USMC, confirming that VMFA-314 is prepared and equipped to successfully deploy F-35C aboard US Navy aircraft carriers.
F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighter (JSF) is a stealthy, supersonic multirole fighter developed by Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company for the US Air Force (USAF), US Navy, and USMC.
The JSF models are the F-35A, a conventional take-off and landing aircraft (CTOL), the F-35B, a short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft, and the F-35C, a carrier variant (CV).
That doesn't mean automatically the bird is FOC..... give me a source explaining the F35 is FOC.
