F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

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Damn @BON PLAN I thought the Turkey was never going to win the Swiss contest.
A big disillusionment, I agree. Uncle Joe came with one of more very strong assets.... as some threats one swiss commercial trade, of dollars uses....
But the story is not at a end. The deal is far from being inked, from swiss sources itself.
 

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A big disillusionment, I agree. Uncle Joe came with one of more very strong assets.... as some threats one swiss commercial trade, of dollars uses....
But the story is not at a end. The deal is far from being inked, from swiss sources itself.

The Swiss public might still veto the F-35 purchase in a referendum, who knows? But what cannot be changed is the clear (but totally expected) advantage of the F-35 over all 4++ gen fighters.
 

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Nope f35 is a old jet india must go for ngad along with tot if needed from usa

What's with this TOT demand. The US will simply not sell to India if TOT is insisted. And no sane country will give away TOT of its most advamced fighter. They will give TOT only for older fighters. Anyone who promises the contrary is lying and India will only be disappointed. Not even Russia will give full TOT on its top fighter.

India has to develop incrementally.
 

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F-35 an old jet? What's more advanced than F-35 that India can acquire in the next 5 years?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noshir_Gowadia
Yup because the indian engineer noshir aka the father of stealth propulsion system which makes heat seeking missiles ineffective already exposed the f35 and b2 designs so these are old in terms of technology as per him ngad will be the most cheapest and effective jet.
 

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The Swiss public might still veto the F-35 purchase in a referendum, who knows? But what cannot be changed is the clear (but totally expected) advantage of the F-35 over all 4++ gen fighters.
We really don't know where is the real advantages of F35. Do we wait for another leak ? (more than not probable. One time, why not, twice, sure not).
Situational awareness? probably. Need less flights thanks to better training simulator = big BS for me.
The total 30 years price is made on an agreement from LM about the sustain costs, but nothing for the last 20 years (and even the US themselves say it is costly to operate and the sustain cost reduction promoted for years by LM is all but not true).
This choice is unclear. Something is hiden. All changed after the Joe Biden visit.....
 

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We really don't know where is the real advantages of F35. Do we wait for another leak ? (more than not probable. One time, why not, twice, sure not).
Situational awareness? probably. Need less flights thanks to better training simulator = big BS for me.
The total 30 years price is made on an agreement from LM about the sustain costs, but nothing for the last 20 years (and even the US themselves say it is costly to operate and the sustain cost reduction promoted for years by LM is all but not true).
This choice is unclear. Something is hiden. All changed after the Joe Biden visit.....
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So many old members have become active , indeed very good to see.
Some threads get boring, fact from reality is mirred and all we see is boring old arguments. Reality is the F-35 is a good 5th gen aircraft, is it perfect, no, is it better than other 4.5 gen aircraft yes. Does it have teething problems, plenty, but does it deliver the goods with a long road map for upgrades, next gen weapons etc, yes. Most 4.5 gen aircraft won't stand a chance in fighter competitions. The F-35 will be the same price as the Rafale or EF or even less while offering better overall capability. Not to mention, traditional US allies will favor it over others. It's easier to sell Rafale to countries that already operate the Mirage 2000. Does this mean the Rafale isn't a great aircraft, not at all. Perhaps the best 4.5 gen aircraft for the capability and it will serve reliably in the IAF.
 

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I expect this non agile single engine fighter not to crash too often in the alps.

But it seems that main missions will be realised on simulator.....
Your sore butt is showing, calm down bro. It's ok. It's just another fighter deal that the Rafale lost, by now the list is long, you should be used to it.
 

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We really don't know where is the real advantages of F35. Do we wait for another leak ? (more than not probable. One time, why not, twice, sure not).
Situational awareness? probably. Need less flights thanks to better training simulator = big BS for me.
The total 30 years price is made on an agreement from LM about the sustain costs, but nothing for the last 20 years (and even the US themselves say it is costly to operate and the sustain cost reduction promoted for years by LM is all but not true).
This choice is unclear. Something is hiden. All changed after the Joe Biden visit.....
You will never know the advantages of F-35 over your 4th generation fighters because you refuse to admit- there’s plenty of verifiable information out there to get you up to the speed. Meanwhile, rest of the world is moving on without your consent. 645 F-35 delivered and counting.
 
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Does this mean the Rafale isn't a great aircraft, not at all. Perhaps the best 4.5 gen aircraft for the capability and it will serve reliably in the IAF.
The question most air forces ask now is this: Is investment in a new batch of 4th generation fighter worth the money? All key air forces answered big “NO” and proceeded with F-35 purchase, despite its teething problems. Does that make legacy aircraft obsolete? No, but no new major investment will occur in further development of F-16/F-18 etc. We are witnessing the last major upgrades of all 4th generation fighters at present and their development cycle has come to its logical end.
 

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