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[Corvus Splendens]

Well .. there is only talk of Stryker production not induction into IA . There is already a heli who's body is built in India but isn't used in by any of the forces . Me thinks this is baniyagiri rather than any "defence" deal.

General Dynamics is closing down the Stryker assembly plant and we are the right idiots at the right time to rip off and make a final sale. 31 Mq-9 Drones weren't enough for the Muricans to hand over the F404/414 engines at the agreed timeframe. One thing I don't know for sure if the WhAP's hull front is rated at Stanag level 4, which the Stryker is. Better protection and a good crew survivability record might have motivated IA here then.

 

[ezsasa]

Add F16 to the list
Apache and C17 brought by IAF through competition and testing
C130, P8 brought due to US pressure
US gov support shifting vintage, old tech production line to India and creating a supply chain
It doesn't matter which gov is power, all politicians love foreign equipment from c130 to ak203 and purchase depends on foreign relations.

my understanding is that, it looks that way (bold highlighted) is not because of political motivations, but rather evolving strategic equations, in this case domestic manufacturing capacity is part of the strategic equation. govts may keep changing, but strategic imperative remains the same.

all governments in India more or less have the same problem and requirement set ever since cold war ended, the solutions that each govt finds depends on what options they have on the table at that point in time and how good they are at problem solving.

when it comes to IAF's lift capability, IAF has been asking private sector to get involved in transport fleet since early 2010's. which now materialised as C-295 deal.

 

[Azaad]

my understanding is that, it looks that way (bold highlighted) is not because of political motivations, but rather evolving strategic equations, in this case domestic manufacturing capacity is part of the strategic equation. govts may keep changing, but strategic imperative remains the same.

all governments in India more or less have the same problem and requirement set ever since cold war ended, the solutions that each govt finds depends on what options they have on the table at that point in time and how good they are at problem solving.

when it comes to IAF's lift capability, IAF has been asking private sector to get involved in transport fleet since early 2010's. which now materialised as C-295 deal.

What we further need is total reform & revamping of HAL & the DPSU civil & military aviation ecosystem.

HAL needs to be broken up into 4 different companies pronto with one of them purely into the entire range of civil & military grade hptrs , one dedicated purely to civilian airliners ( this could eventually be expanded to military grade transportation aircraft with further utilization in the refueller segment , platform for AWACS , other ISR needs , etc ) , one for purely fighter aircraft & the last one to mfg the entire range of civilian & military grade Turbofans , Turboprops, Turbojets etc with cross holdings between all the successor companies , government having controlling stake with independent management & listing on the stock exchange ( Airbus is a good example in this regard ) .

For this CSIR - NAL , ADA & ADE apart from other labs associated with CSIR , other government institutions related to aviation whether civilian oriented or military oriented would've to be merged into HAL / it's successor companies such that you've the entire ecosystem right from incubation , designing , development to production under one roof. We could throw in a separate outfit for drones designing & mfg too focusing on MALE , HALE , UCAVs leaving out micro mini & other such miniature swarm drones cum loitering munitions.

HAL in its present shape is simply too unwieldy an organisation to focus on every project & deliver as per user department expectations on time complying with the services requirements as far as quality goes.

This has to be accomplished as soon as possible.

 

[Fatalis]

some of old offers from uncle santa sam

just because they are offered, doesn't mean they materialise. infact just because white house offers something, doesn't mean they have clearances from their MIC and their legislature.
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2015
America's unmanned aerial vehicle 'Raven' will be made in India

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...de-in-india/story-yk7AnaCppjySffwbOx5cpM.html

2019
US offers Javelin Anti-Tank Guided Missiles again to India: Sources

https://www.financialexpress.com/business/defence-us-offers-javelin-anti-tank-guided-missiles-again-to-india-sources-1517616/

Also add NASMAS.

 

[karn]

General Dynamics is closing down the Stryker assembly plant and we are the right idiots at the right time to rip off and make a final sale. 31 Mq-9 Drones weren't enough for the Muricans to hand over the F404/414 engines at the agreed timeframe. One thing I don't know for sure if the WhAP's hull front is rated at Stanag level 4, which the Stryker is. Better protection and a good crew survivability record might have motivated IA here then.

Opening a Stryker plant here does not necessarily mean that IA has to acquire it . It could be for exports as well .
Stryker isn't amphibious so at most crpf could take token orders at best .
And if Stryker plant comes to India it will be tasl that makes it .. the primary production partner of whap .. they don't care as they get paid either way .

 

[ezsasa]

What we further need is total reform & revamping of HAL & the DPSU civil & military aviation ecosystem.

HAL needs to be broken up into 4 different companies pronto with one of them purely into the entire range of civil & military grade hptrs , one dedicated purely to civilian airliners ( this could eventually be expanded to military grade transportation aircraft with further utilization in the refueller segment , platform for AWACS , other ISR needs , etc ) , one for purely fighter aircraft & the last one to mfg the entire range of civilian & military grade Turbofans , Turboprops, Turbojets etc with cross holdings between all the successor companies , government having controlling stake with independent management & listing on the stock exchange ( Airbus is a good example in this regard ) .

For this CSIR - NAL , ADA & ADE apart from other labs associated with CSIR , other government institutions related to aviation whether civilian oriented or military oriented would've to be merged into HAL / it's successor companies such that you've the entire ecosystem right from incubation , designing , development to production under one roof. We could throw in a separate outfit for drones designing & mfg too focusing on MALE , HALE , UCAVs leaving out micro mini & other such miniature swarm drones cum loitering munitions.

HAL in its present shape is simply too unwieldy an organisation to focus on every project & deliver as per user department expectations on time complying with the services requirements as far as quality goes.

This has to be accomplished as soon as possible.

let's take the last thing first, ASAP is this case is a multi decade process with a lot of hand holding which goes both ways. pvt sector hand holding govt by giving govt confidence that their company are invested in this long term, and on the other end of the spectrum govt hand holding pvt sector by giving them confidence that they will keep getting orders to gain technical knowhow and build up their balance sheets to be capable enough to take on large projects.

on the time it takes for capacity building per equipment profile, we have the case of LSV, LAMV and WhAP infront of us. relative to complex aircraft technologies, we are seeing how long it takes for specialist vehicles to mature from requirement --> design --> prototype --> order --> manufacturing --> delivery. with complex machines like aircraft, it is easy to assume the time line is atleast 3-4 decades, taking into consideration there is a lot of critical tech we don't have at the moment.

on the domestic MIC structural composition bit, in past decade one change did happen at HAL, they started emphasising themselves as lead integrators. on what equipment profile HAL should focus on, what seems to happen is that, the more pvt sector is willing to invest in a particular category, the less HAL is burdened with responsibility for that particular equipment category.

 

[ezsasa]

Also add NASMAS.

it was a sale, not co-production. story started in 2017 along with S-400, ended in 2021 saying it's too costly.
and while this was happening, the whole debate in our media on CAATSA was a comedy show.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[NutCracker]

We can take is as a contribution which can slightly tilt the Ind-French engine deal in our favour.

 

[RocketMan]

Overweight by 2 pounda, rejected!

 

[Love Charger]

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Finally your profile picture has a rocket , well done .

 

[OutForVendetta]

Stryker?.. the one that's getting mooshed in driver's in Ukraine, that even the USMC troops hate for relieving their Abrams... That Stryker?!!

#MKMKB

Where exactly in Ukraine have you seen the Stryker's being "mooshed" ?

 

[OutForVendetta]

Well .. there is only talk of Stryker production not induction into IA . There is already a heli who's body is built in India but isn't used in by any of the forces . Me thinks this is baniyagiri rather than any "defence" deal.

What helicopter would that be ?

 

[johnj]

my understanding is that, it looks that way (bold highlighted) is not because of political motivations, but rather evolving strategic equations, in this case domestic manufacturing capacity is part of the strategic equation. govts may keep changing, but strategic imperative remains the same.

all governments in India more or less have the same problem and requirement set ever since cold war ended, the solutions that each govt finds depends on what options they have on the table at that point in time and how good they are at problem solving.

when it comes to IAF's lift capability, IAF has been asking private sector to get involved in transport fleet since early 2010's. which now materialised as C-295 deal.

That is why I used the term - foreign relations
IAF's lift capability - there is 2 or 3 private companies is capable assembling high tier aircraft and those companies show positive interest but due to low size every one withdrawn except Tata, and GoI took more than half a decade to sign the deal. Its IAF who terminated MTA program becz they wanted western engine. GoI failed to fast track acquiring additional c17. In simple, GoI and IAF are responsible for current conditions for IAF's lift capability, bringing private sector not going to improve anything, jut add one additional assembly [screw driving] line These [IAF's lift capability] depends on foreign relations and GoI foresight

 

[Johny_Baba]

my guess, TEDBF, because its twin engine

 

[karn]

What helicopter would that be ?

S 92

 

[Fatalis]

 

[jai jaganath]

Definitely Godrej

 

[Bleh]

Where exactly in Ukraine have you seen the Stryker's being "mooshed" ?

Everywhere.. just visit that thread. Must be hundreds lost by now

 

[Bleh]

my guess, TEDBF, because its twin engine

MWF, AMCA, TEDBF all are to share engine. I learnt before that they're assuming for fluidic TVC.

Single engine jets can also use TVC.