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What i like about private sector over PSU is that

- A private sector company ll have that greed to earn money . They ll strive for export and maintaining quality .

- private sector is bound to be efficient otherwise they ll loose money .

- They dont have luxury of doing R&D for the sake of it at tax payer money . Wherever they ll invest it ll result in final product in a fixed period of time .

- Employee accountability and reward for performing good . You dont need to wait for promotion and be brilliant at the same time . If you are exceptional they ll hire you with whatever package . Flexibility in hiring .. Dont need to sit in exam . If you are good they ll find you based on your experience , project you have worked on or through campus placement .

- Difficult to sabotage or cause delay by someone as its your money , your IP .

Just a observation . forgive if i insulted any commie friend .
Mate private sector esp Indian private sector wont plough money into R&D. If they deem contract to be lucrative enough they may purchase an defunct assembly line outside India/or design from outside,but thats about it. Untill this start giving them regular profits.

Public sector have screwed no doubt, but private is no saint.
 
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Turkey shows a prototype of stealth unmanned Bayraktar fighter kizilelma bayraktar

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will make its first flight in 2023. Bayraktar Kızılelma [English: Bayraktar Red Apple] will be jet-powered, single-engine, low-observable [stealth], supersonic, carrier-capable unmanned combat aircraft.

Bayraktar Kızılelma should be able to take off and land on short runways as well as perform the same actions as an aircraft carrier.

planned payload of 1,500 kilograms. Bayraktar Kızılelma, which aims to stay in the air for 5 hours with a mission radius of 500 nm, will also have high situational awareness with the AESA radar to be integrated.
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- A private sector company ll have that greed to earn money . They ll strive for export and maintaining quality
- They dont have luxury of doing R&D for the sake of it at tax payer money . Wherever they ll invest it ll result in final product in a fixed period of time .
- Difficult to sabotage or cause delay by someone as its your money , your IP .
In the aforementioned points, the situation could turn out like so:-
A greedy private Sector company that has not much money for R&D invest in inviting a foreign OEM to give it ToT and then screwdrivers the product together.
DPP is useless as all contenders are the same.
There goes your dream of owning the IP and all you've accomplished is a more efficient, screwdrivergiri-based, low-value-addition defence sector.


The above is just a scenario that could come to pass. My question: What are the checks and balances against it?
My answer: DRDO ToT-ing to Private Co. But this is not a complete answer. If someone manages to bribe the procurement folks, ASQRs/GSQRs can be modified to suit one party or the other.
 

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Mate private sector esp Indian private sector wont plough money into R&D. If they deem contract to be lucrative enough they may purchase an defunct assembly line outside India/or design from outside.

Public sector have screwed no doubt, but private is no saint.
Worlds biggest profitable companies in defence sectors are all private sector companies .
 

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Worlds biggest profitable companies in defence sectors are all private sector companies .
Apples and oranges. India is not USA, we don't have a tech edge, our military is used to importing stuff and the very threat to the Indian Defence Sector are the companies you mention, who want nothing more than to destroy what little R&D capability we do have by exploiting the greed of merchants, officers and babus alike.
 

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Apples and oranges. India is not USA, we don't have a tech edge, our military is used to importing stuff and the very threat to the Indian Defence Sector are the companies you mention, who want nothing more than to destroy what little R&D capability we do have by exploiting the greed of merchants, officers and babus alike.
India has to be like USA or that of france , isreal etc and leave behind that socialist culture behind .

And none are Indian.
Yes non of them are .. Thats why we have been importing defence equipment amounting billions of $ . Its result of socialist model .
 

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India has to be like USA or that of france , isreal etc and leave behind that socialist culture behind .



Yes non of them are .. Thats why we have been importing defence equipment amounting billions of $ . Its result of socialist model .
You didn't answer my questions. You gave no solutions to the problems I highlighted. If policy was as easy as "switch to capitalism = instant profit", you'd have no issues with policy anywhere in the world.

Every country is unique and has its own situations, constraints and set of challenges. While its important to move away from Socialism, its also important to not disregard the current scenario in an attempt to ape another nation.

Nakal ke liye bhi akal chahiye. You need to apply your mind to adapt a foreign solution to the Indian situation. Key word: adapt. Adapt, not ape.
 

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India has to be like USA or that of france , isreal etc and leave behind that socialist culture behind .



Yes non of them are .. Thats why we have been importing defence equipment amounting billions of $ . Its result of socialist model .
S/W industry setup is under no socialism ills. Heck Govt even altered labor laws(read almost diluted them) to placate s/w inc honchos. Heck govt even gave up idea of avenging kaluchak(read Parakram) to palacate s/w inc honchos. I used to read in around 2k currently s/w inc is in nascent stage give them sops sez for few years and they will blossom into competition for M$ and the likes. Ore than 20 years have passed, head counts have increased substantially but business model never changed. Even your famed startups are merely copying whats alredy existing and often are one tricky pony wonder.
 

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You didn't answer my questions. You gave no solutions to the problems I highlighted. If policy was as easy as "switch to capitalism = instant profit", you'd have no issues with policy anywhere in the world.

Every country is unique and has its own situations, constraints and set of challenges. While its important to move away from Socialism, its also important to not disregard the current scenario in an attempt to ape another nation.

Nakal ke liye bhi akal chahiye. You need to apply your mind to adapt a foreign solution to the Indian situation. Key word: adapt. Adapt, not ape.
We performed bad because communism and democracy does not go side by side . YOu ll only create powerful bureaucrats who ll sabotage everything . Current scenario is not working for india . we have to move away gradually . I am not saying destroy everything instantly to build something new .

wow, question- can you give some private sector companies , having r&d without zero gov. financial support or money ?
I never said those private sector companies are not supported by govt . But the fact that its own by private entity they ll strive to earn profit . Its basic human psychology .. Socialism and communism failed because it against human psychology .

India is in a very exceptional situation where we ll always face security challenges . We ll keep investing billions no matter what . At least we have to make the opportunity out of this scenario to be a defence manufacturing hub for india and world where thousands of jobs can be created . PSUs wont deliver .
 

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Indian private sector , gov sector R & D
Tesla won't manufacture in India unless allowed to sell, service cars: Musk - word from a super rich
No private sector consider manufacturing without a market, and for R & D, need a huge market and long period of operations, which we[Indians] can't provide, for ex, guns, two or more private sector can fill our needs within a decade, after that what ? In US like one, they can sell openly to public, for small order, manufacturing unit is enough.
 

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India is in a very exceptional situation where we ll always face security challenges . We ll keep investing billions no matter what . At least we have to make the opportunity out of this scenario to be a defence manufacturing hub for india and world where thousands of jobs can be created . PSUs wont deliver .
Its all about market, and not depends on Private or Public, P5,Nata having a edge here, USSR/RUSSIA sold a lot ot weapons, China also improving their market, and Gov need to find markets becz you can't sell a missile/gun like a car/tv.
Funny part, our gov don't have any idea about our military needs, rarely give orders on time and emergency buy during war time.
 

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We performed bad because communism and democracy does not go side by side . YOu ll only create powerful bureaucrats who ll sabotage everything . Current scenario is not working for india . we have to move away gradually . I am not saying destroy everything instantly to build something new .



I never said those private sector companies are not supported by govt . But the fact that its own by private entity they ll strive to earn profit . Its basic human psychology .. Socialism and communism failed because it against human psychology .

India is in a very exceptional situation where we ll always face security challenges . We ll keep investing billions no matter what . At least we have to make the opportunity out of this scenario to be a defence manufacturing hub for india and world where thousands of jobs can be created . PSUs wont deliver .
Do people really deeply understand democracy, communism, liberalism or others. Imo most people just throw these words randomly here and there to justify their opinions while not even knowing the point at all. Most Indians just throw these words like salt in sabzi as they have heard these words a bit here and there on the internet streets. For arguments you have made, there are a tons of scenarios where they are proven fallacy in reality too. Basically, it's your observation but not a conclusion which can be drawn.
 

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Chill guys .. we have already found the best model .. partnerships and tot with drdo for Greenfield research.. things like trucks small drones our private companies are comfortable working on especially if there is a civilian spin off
 

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Do people really deeply understand democracy, communism, liberalism or others. Imo most people just throw these words randomly here and there to justify their opinions while not even knowing the point at all. Most Indians just throw these words like salt in sabzi as they have heard these words a bit here and there on the internet streets. For arguments you have made, there are a tons of scenarios where they are proven fallacy in reality too. Basically, it's your observation but not a conclusion which can be drawn.
Communism means state control over means of production . We adopted mixed model and in many critical areas private sector was discouraged to participate . No need to go personal and call people ignorant . Nothing personal here .

Wow, what a logic 🥴😆🤷🤯
Are you sure none of tech developed by DARPA does not goes into Lockheed Martin and others.
Anyway what does it have to do with R&D by Indian Cos.
Never said we should not have a DARPA like institution to keep a eye on futuristic technology . My problem is with defence PSUs . No need to attach so many emoji . Relax . Ending comments from my side here .
 

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This discussion about Capitalism vs Socialism doesn't matter. Success can be found everywhere:
Capitalism: Software, Military
USSR: Space Missions
Chinese Capitalism: Manufacturing

The one thing common in all of these is Vision. Visionaries change the world and make the shit everybody uses. We have had a few in India, i.e Vikram Sarabai, Homi Bhabha, Abdul Kalam, Narayana/Sudha Murty, TATAs. Visionaries backed by political will will change the "disha" of the country. Rest all is irrelevant.
As afar as R&D is concerned, big ticket stuff like tanks, fighters, engines will need to be govt funded as there is very less reward and high risk of failure. As someone else mentioned, we kind have the sweet spot right now, with armored vehicles, guns, artillery and drones are being made by private companies.
The issues with the procurement have to do with babudom, internal politics which will exist in all political systems. This can only be controlled by people like Manohar Parrikar, who is again a visionary in his own right.
 

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