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[Tuco]

"Lightest" is not necessarily a good thing. If it were a cheap expendable crap then it would be best to be light... but if you are making one with AI & stealth then it's better off with some ceramic tiles before skin.
Small drones are already not that much detectable by radars, but is ground forces see it they'll shoot & it may not be far enough to dodge that, depends on how good it is at evasive movement.

Actually once the AI gets better it'll pave way to making loitering drone-ATGMs... Athough no doubt IA would still insist on using guided SACLOS (Semi-automatic command to line of sight) missiles with 50m min range, until Chinks kill some fodders by shooting from 15km away.

If stuffed with explosives this could also be used in COIN during firefights (probably not while combing).

With moderns tanks being equipped with active protection suits doesn't it make the slow flying ATGM's redundant, it may reduce the single shot kill probability. So how will current Atgms fare, generally them being slow? Multiple simultaneous firing?

 

[Bleh]

With moderns tanks being equipped with active protection suits doesn't it make the slow flying ATGM's redundant, it may reduce the single shot kill probability. So how will current Atgms fare, generally them being slow? Multiple simultaneous firing?

Rather hard to tell... Latest ATGMs have never been battle tested against any latest soft-kill-hard-kill APS system.

Both current ATGMs & non-APFSDS gun ammo could be pretty vulnerable. But passive & AI guided top attack loitering munitions will have best chance.

 

[Tuco]

Rather hard to tell... Latest ATGMs have never been battle tested against any latest soft-kill-hard-kill APS system.

Both curent ATGMs & non-APFSDS gun ammo could be pretty vulnerable. But passive & AI guided top attack loitering munitions will have best chance.

That's the thing isn't. Countries might have tested it but may not make the result public as it would impact there ATGM sales.

 

[Tuco]

Meanwhile...

 

[Ajax01]

NO, it is not a BVR air battle and there are no stnad off ranges involved.

The function of Ground lauched ATGM is to be able to engage a target at maximum range of Identification, acquisition and tragetting and retain that ability till the target is at minimum range.

NAG is basically a Recce and Support Mech Infantry battalion weapon primary used in Defensive operations. Thus it has tactical requirements under which minimum range becomes crucial. IF NAMICA falls back from forward zones to defense line behind a minefield and is not able to engage a tank charging on defenses at 400m away then DRDO might store those missile at MetCalf House.

The weapon to cover the dead zone of NAG is 84mm Carl Gustav which has an effective range of 350m against a moving target,,

NAG initially had a minimum range of 700m and they claim that it has now been brought down to 500m.

I do not think that should be acceptable unless it comes down to 200m. I do not know the GSQR though.

So scientist or no scientist, the job of an Armywalas is know tactical employment of the bitter pill and demand what he needs...

Not DRDO giving Neem Ki Goli... ki kha le bhai hamane banayi hai..

Where did you get the min range for Spike LR. Seems unlikely that Spike MR and LR has same min range.
LOAL mode is already there for Helina, wouldn't be a problem for NAG if Army asks for it. Probably they did not.
Meanwhile Chinese use ATGMs on their carriers with min range of 3kms.

 

[patriots]

This definitely is DRDO being ruled by some Ponga Pundit who has named HEINA as Dhruvastra for astrological and numerical reasons.. so that there is some change of fortune .... like change in gender of missile... From Helen to Dhruva..

Dhruvastrs being fired from a six foot tall blue banker to generate effect of Helicopter.. What an innovation... sky blue is smoky colour of Rahu.. I hope the missile did not turn back...

Sirji..... please check drdo site......
Helina is for army
And dhruvstra for airforce......
Both have different seekers....and different requirements

Helina | Defence Research and Development Organisation - DRDO, Ministry of Defence, Government of India

HELINA (Helicopter based NAG) is a third generation fire and forget class anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) system mounted on the Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH). The system has all weather day and night capability and can defeat battle tanks with conventional armour as well as explosive reactive...

www.drdo.gov.in

 

[Ajax01]

Fire and forget means it will dance on top of Raman Singh Ka Dhora and screw a tank hidden in Mangu Ram Ki Dhani ehind that Dhora...

How does that happen in IIR.... will the missile hit an idle tank not started for last four hours across Gogra post in Ladakh.. It may go towards Lhasa..

That is too good man.. super genius hood winkers...

Just a humble request . Please don't humiliate yourself considering that you think IIR is old tech.
Which ground launched fire and forget ATGM of 4km range has MMW seeker ?

 

[IndianHawk]

No, you are not.
Your speed on SLBM development doesn't make people believe it is a priority.
And the land TEL is still on the early stage. You know it is ready when you see the TEL in your national parade.

Lol what kind of logic is that. Our ASAT destroy a satellite first only much later it appeared in parade. If you look at parade to see our progress you are an idiot.

Our slbm developing is moving along quietly.
Anyway there is no rush. Neither china nor Pakistan has any capability to take out Indian Land arsenal . And both of them don't have any uselful BMD either.

With such primitive adversaries we can perfect slbm slowly rather than rushing like Chinese only to end up with extremely noisy submarines which are all time tracked by enemies. Lmao.

 

[Bhadra]

The other thing we may have to consider is that the 500 M limitation may be is for the top attack mode. Direct hits might not have the said limitation or the limitation is because of the time required for the seeker to lock on but since its LOBL that's not the issue I think.

There is nothing hi tech about it. It is only a safety measure so that the missile does not get armed in storage and handling unless it is fired... primarily due to sensetivity of fuzes which trigger the explosive chain..

On firing due to force of acceleration the missile gets armed then only its fuse can trigger the primer to start explosive chain of warhead. It can be mechanical system or a chemical system..
Time taken by the missile to complete that process and the distance traveled by the missile in that time is minimum range...

Everyone including PhDs are just jumping around just defending a thing which they do not even understand. .. only minor adjustment in that safety system is required.. That all..

No one is asking for Corona vaccine..

 

[porky_kicker]

@LurkerBaba
@Indx TechStyle


At others do not reply , learn to ignore and don't fuck up this thread.

And use the report button

 

[Bhadra]

Sirji..... please check drdo site......
Helina is for army
And dhruvstra for airforce......
Both have different seekers....and different requirements

Helina | Defence Research and Development Organisation - DRDO, Ministry of Defence, Government of India

HELINA (Helicopter based NAG) is a third generation fire and forget class anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) system mounted on the Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH). The system has all weather day and night capability and can defeat battle tanks with conventional armour as well as explosive reactive...

www.drdo.gov.in

Thank you sir... the tweet says - changed the name....

 

[patriots]

Thank you sir... the tweet says - changed the name....

The tweet is from ani ....not from drdo sirji.....and sir saant missile has mmw seeker...and 20 km range

 

[fire starter]

@porky_kicker any info about this new missile.

 

[utubekhiladi]

Sirji..... please check drdo site......
Helina is for army
And dhruvstra for airforce......
Both have different seekers....and different requirements

Helina | Defence Research and Development Organisation - DRDO, Ministry of Defence, Government of India

HELINA (Helicopter based NAG) is a third generation fire and forget class anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) system mounted on the Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH). The system has all weather day and night capability and can defeat battle tanks with conventional armour as well as explosive reactive...

www.drdo.gov.in

Doesn't make sense.
Helina or dhruvastra.. but the launch platform is still going to be either rudra or lch..

Are we going to have different versions of missile for choppers bought by airforce and different versions of missile for choppers bought by army? Eventhough the chopper owned by both army and airforce is the same type?

 

[porky_kicker]

if you guys want this thread to turn into shit so be it

I won't be a part of it

 

[Bleh]

Why the head is so heavy dear...
Due to the burden of fake degrees or guilt of failures or inability to answer..
What troubles you...

No, mostly because I read the other replies you made & realised you don't know bollocks about this (or any) tech. I'm not a particular fan of wresting pigs in mud.


@sagar @patriots @utubekhiladi @Ajax01
Can you lot please stop feeding this troll & let him turn this into another of those hollow chest-thumping thread?.. He's here to defend corrupt, not interested in facts.

 

[patriots]

Doesn't make sense.
Helina or dhruvastra.. but the launch platform is still going to be either rudra or lch..

Are we going to have different versions of missile for choppers bought by airforce and different versions of missile for choppers bought by army? Eventhough the chopper owned by both army and airforce is the same type?

Ok

Helina -
iir seeker
Range 7-8 km

Dhruvastra-
semi active laser seeker
due to laser seeker it can be used against cold targets unlike helina.
Can be used against flat targets
Range - 7-8 km

Saant-
Mmw seeker
Range- 20 km when fired from helicopter
Range- 25 km when fired from a fixed wing (,tested from a drone,)

 

[utubekhiladi]

Ok

Helina -
iir seeker
Range 7-8 km

Dhruvastra-
semi active laser seeker
due to laser seeker it can be used against cold targets unlike helina.
Can be used against flat targets
Range - 7-8 km

Saant-
Mmw seeker
Range- 20 km when fired from helicopter
Range- 25 km when fired from a fixed wing (,tested from a drone,)

so in that case, dhruvastra is not true fire and forget missile. someone or something has to laze the target for the missile to hone in.

 

[Bhadra]

@LurkerBaba
@Indx TechStyle


At others do not reply , learn to ignore and don't fuck up this thread.

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I simply asked you a few questions. Please answer those rather than going into Trade Union mode..

Fire and Forget in IIR seeker in LOBL mode means the target has been acquired. designated and fixed and missile go there only..

What is the time of flight of the missle for 4000 m ?

Can a tank acquired and fired at 4000m go behind a mound before the the time of flight and become invisible..

If yes. then what does the seeker do ?

Second question - after firing the missile there is a dust storm between the missile and tank. Now how does the seeker keeps a track of the tank... ??

 

[Bleh]

so in that case, dhruvastra is not true fire and forget missile. someone or something has to laze the target for the missile to hone in.

No it isn't. But it's not a true SALCOM either, but has that option to handle such cases like he mentioned above.