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[utubekhiladi]

which chopper is this? can we have similar machine gun in rudra or dhruv with sliding door?

 

[patriots]

Why are you comparing Nag with Spike ? Spike ordered are meant to be used by infantry and not from some platform. Compare Spike with MPATGM. DRDO already had previously blocked the purchase of spikes saying they will develop a more advanced ATGM by 2021 but now its clear MPATGM is nowhere ready. It was meant to complete development trials by this year and enter production next year but that is very unlikely to be achieved. MPATGM does not yet has a Command Launch Unit meanwhile Israel has already offered 4-5th gen Spikes to the Army. Only last year because of the situation at LoC had army decided to go for emergency purchase and again this year same thing while it waits for DRDO to develop MPATGM.

I am not comparing.....what stops army to induct nag.. ......
Army doesn't have a platform like namica......

 

[patriots]

1. Heavy with respect to what? Hellfire missile weighs between 45 and 49 kg!

2. Nag is costly because there is no economies of scale. By the way the choice currently is to buy a 4.3 crore Hellfire vs 4.3 crore Nag. So the Army decides to buy Hellfire?

3. IIR and MMW are not old/new technologies. There are situations where MMW won't work but IIR will and vice versa.

4. May I ask how a Hellfire is used at 50 mtrs-200mtrs. A top attack is possible?

5. LOAL is possible. Helina has it. What is the difficulty in back-porting it to Nag. But is it required at 4 km ranges?

Nag is certainly overweight to be around 43 Kgs.. for use by ground forces who need to reload and replenish the missile in the battle field... can it be mounted on a tank? I do not know.

Nag is Costly.. yes at Rs 4.3 Crore per missile it nears the cost of a Hellfire. I can buy a tank for the cost of ten missiles..

Nag's minimum range problem of 500m should not be acceptable.. comparable missile have minimum range varying between 50 - 200m.

Namica - that is good platform for Nag.

Seeker - IIR seeker is very old technology and the missile is LOBL only . Army would ideally like to have LOAL capability with MW seeker technology..

There is no way that a system like Apache can guide this missile to the target when in a combined arms battle

@Bhadra @porky_kicker @Bleh

 

[Bhadra]

" IIR seeker is very old technology " . What fuking rubbish is this.

There is not a single ATGM in the world with 4 km max range but minimum range less than 200m . Lol 50 m minimum range for a 4 km range ATGM. Best wait for the aliens to invade earth , they might have such technologies.

MMW seekers are optimal for air launched ATGMs only . Show me a single land launched ATGM with MMW seeker .

And cost of a system depends on the scale of the production run .

If alleged military people don't know this even , then it bests not to waste time .

What is the co-realtions with the maximum range and minimum range of a missile. Maximum range is the function of propulsion whereas minimum range is a function of safty and the missile getting armed for detonations ? Can my Army mocking Scientist freind tell me that ??
I admit I am not a scientist or a technician but are you??

Can the Nag Misile form part of Apache command and guidence system or HAL Rudra/ ALH system that can command a ground launched NAG on to a target when visible or otherwise not visible to a NAMICA.?

Now please do not shout GSQR because when GSQR was given Apaches were not there but now they exist and remaining alive to developments is very much job of DRDO.

You mean to say LOAL technology has no ground applications ? What about engaging targets in the reverse slope or a turret down tank. Or within 4km of FEBA there is no such thing?

Why is MMW seeker only required for air launched versions ?? What happens when it is available with ground launched versions ?? Brahmahatya..??

AGM-114 Ground Launched Hellfire-Light (GLH-L) missile system launched from a modified HMMWV chassis is not MMW seeker based and is not LOAC ??

What about Neval versions of ATGM launched from boats ??

OK these are the ranges of Spike missiles ;

Effective firing range	• Spike-SR: 50–1,500 metres (55–1,640 yards) • Spike-MR: 200–2,500 m (220–2,730 yd) • Spike-LR: 200–4,000 m (220–4,370 yd) • Spike-LR II: 200–5,500 m (220–6,010 yd) • Spike-ER: 400–8,000 m (440–8,750 yd) • Spike-ER II: 400–10,000 m (440–10,940 yd) • Spike-NLOS: 600–25,000 m (660–27,340 yd)

Happy ??

 

[Akula]

View attachment 53713

which chopper is this? can we have similar machine gun in rudra or dhruv with sliding door?

Airbus NH90
Here is a video of Indian coast guard Dhruv undergoing door gun testing
Dhruv variants, middle one is new Indian coast guard Dhruv

 

[Bhadra]

Isn't it the purpose of the nag to hit the target outside of the targets firing range. Why would one want to put the namica within the range of the tank gun. Also has army asked for 50 meters minimum range? I think that's for mpatgm not for the carrier version. All spikes non mpatgm version have the minimum range of 200 meters.

NO, it is not a BVR air battle and there are no stnad off ranges involved.

The function of Ground lauched ATGM is to be able to engage a target at maximum range of Identification, acquisition and tragetting and retain that ability till the target is at minimum range.

NAG is basically a Recce and Support Mech Infantry battalion weapon primary used in Defensive operations. Thus it has tactical requirements under which minimum range becomes crucial. IF NAMICA falls back from forward zones to defense line behind a minefield and is not able to engage a tank charging on defenses at 400m away then DRDO might store those missile at MetCalf House.

The weapon to cover the dead zone of NAG is 84mm Carl Gustav which has an effective range of 350m against a moving target,,

NAG initially had a minimum range of 700m and they claim that it has now been brought down to 500m.

I do not think that should be acceptable unless it comes down to 200m. I do not know the GSQR though.

 

[garg_bharat]

NO, it is not a BVR air battle and there are no stnad off ranges involved.

The function of Ground lauched ATGM is to be able to engage a target at maximum range of Identification, acquisition and tragetting and retain that ability till the target is at minimum range.

NAG is basically a Recce and Support Mech Infantry battalion weapon primary used in Defensive operations. Thus it has tactical requirements under which minimum range becomes crucial. IF NAMICA falls back from forward zones to defense line behind a minefield and is not able to engage a tank charging on defenses at 400m away then DRDO might store those missile at MetCalf House.

The weapon to cover the dead zone of NAG is 84mm Carl Gustav which has an effective range of 350m against a moving target,,

NAG initially had a minimum range of 700m and they claim that it has now been brought down to 500m.

I do not think that should be acceptable unless it comes down to 200m. I do not know the GSQR though.

So scientist or no scientist, the job of an Armywalas is know tactical employment of the bitter pill and demand what he needs...

Not DRDO giving Neem Ki Goli... ki kha le bhai hamane banayi hai..

Boss it cannot be so low as 200m as it is top attack missile. Look at the trajectory of missile.
Army is putting impossible requirements which cannot be met; and possible reason is scuttling of local programs. Politicians and IAS are mostly zero in science so Army is having a field day.

BTW I teach Physics.

 

[Tuco]

Boss it cannot be so low as 200m as it is top attack missile. Look at the trajectory of missile.
Army is putting impossible requirements which cannot be met; and possible reason is scuttling of local programs. Politicians and IAS are mostly zero in science so Army is having a field day.

BTW I teach Physics.

The other thing we may have to consider is that the 500 M limitation may be is for the top attack mode. Direct hits might not have the said limitation or the limitation is because of the time required for the seeker to lock on but since its LOBL that's not the issue I think.

 

[Bleh]

1. Heavy with respect to what? Hellfire missile weighs between 45 and 49 kg!

2. Nag is costly because there is no economies of scale. By the way the choice currently is to buy a 4.3 crore Hellfire vs 4.3 crore Nag. So the Army decides to buy Hellfire?

3. IIR and MMW are not old/new technologies. There are situations where MMW won't work but IIR will and vice versa.

4. May I ask how a Hellfire is used at 50 mtrs-200mtrs. A top attack is possible?

5. LOAL is possible. Helina has it. What is the difficulty in back-porting it to Nag. But is it required at 4 km ranges?


@Bhadra @porky_kicker @Bleh

Why did you tag me here?.. This guy is well known for spouting random bullshit (& outright lies) with negligible understanding of technological advancements since '80s.

And personally I think DRDO is at fault for not going for not downgrading NAG to wire-guided while going F&F with Helia. That'd allow the ATGM to meet specifications & secure orders.
If those retards want to shoot a fucking MBT with ATGM mounted on BMP-2 chasis from 50m, it isn't research organisation's job to point out how hilariously impractical it is... Indian Army higher officials have an age-old tradition of making canon-fodders of grunts. That's mentality aint suddenly gonna change to farsighted tech-oriented adaptability.

 

[patriots]

Why did you tag me here?.. This guy is well known for spouting random bullshit (& outright lies) with negligible understanding of technological advancements since '80s.

And personally I think DRDO is at fault for not going for not downgrading NAG to wire-guided from F&F. That'd allow the ATGM to meet specifications & secure orders.
If those retards want to shoot a fucking MBT with ATGM mounted on BMP-2 chasis from 50m, it's not DRDO job to point out how hilariously impractical it is... Indian Army higher officials have an age-old tradition of making canon-fodders of grunts. And India is all about traditions.

You are a knowledgeable guy so I tagged you.....
..m.m

 

[janme]

Add this to the list.

This is not true, the SDR that has been bought from DRDO is by navy, IAF is buying Israeli SDR's, it is DRDO's fault that it takes projects, makes tall claims and then unable to deliver on time and then blocks imports, DRDO needs to have a look at it's capabilities and then undertake critical projects. Nirbhay and Rustom are examples of DRDO's disasters and we are forced to import now or lacking capabilities.

 

[Bleh]

You are a knowledgeable guy so I tagged you.....
..m.m

Porky was already here. But bullshit cannot be countered with technical knowledge. Just look at those "counter-arguments", 100% clueless about exactly how much capability difference is between modern seekers to their Konkurs & Invars. You'll end up writing a 10k word essay!

Are you planning on correcting every random bullshiter on the internet?.. Fuck it. Move on.

 

[patriots]

Bdw anyone have a bharat series...drone photo
Seems it's a Quadcopter

 

[Tuco]

Bdw anyone have a bharat series...drone photo
Seems it's a Quadcopter

Well there are lots of claims going around that its stealthy has specialized night vision instruments, not sure what specialized here means. I did not find any pictures though may be has a quad-copter for factor may be not.

 

[patriots]

Well there are lots of claims going around that its stealthy has specialized night vision instruments, not sure what specialized here means. I did not find any pictures though may be has a quad-copter for factor may be not.

A lots of claims by drdo......
From tender documents I can confirm that a new ucv tech demonstrator will be produced.....also soon limited series production of tapas may start...

Photo posted by ani ...as bharat series drone

 

[Bleh]

Bdw anyone have a bharat series...drone photo
Seems it's a Quadcopter

Not quad, hexa. It's supposed to be stealthy too, but this one is too small for that to matter much... mostly meant for its sucessors.
If it could take up more payload then maybe its lower surface could have been armored. Because greatest threat to this will be small-arms fire.

 

[Tuco]

Not related to the DRDO drone being mentioned above. But this company has interesting portfolio.

Products – Bharat Drone

www.bharatdronesystems.com

 

[patriots]

Not quad, hexa. It's supposed to be stealthy too, but this one is too small for that to matter much... mostly meant for its sucessors.
If it could take up more payload then maybe its lower surface could have been armored. Because greatest threat to this will be small-arms fire. View attachment 53721

Touted by the developers to be one of the 'world's most agile and lightest surveillance drones', the UAV has been developed fully indigenously by the DRDO. According to DRDO sources cited by news agency ANI, the "small yet powerful drone works autonomously at any location with great accuracy. The unibody biomimetic design with advance release technology is a lethal combination for surveillance missions".
"Interestingly, the drone is equipped with artificial intelligence to detect friends and foes and then respond accordingly. Capable of surviving in extreme cold, the surveillance equipment has been developed keeping in mind extreme weather conditions along the LAC."
From report

 

[Bleh]

Touted by the developers to be one of the 'world's most agile and lightest surveillance drones', the UAV has been developed fully indigenously by the DRDO. According to DRDO sources cited by news agency ANI, the "small yet powerful drone works autonomously at any location with great accuracy. The unibody biomimetic design with advance release technology is a lethal combination for surveillance missions".
"Interestingly, the drone is equipped with artificial intelligence to detect friends and foes and then respond accordingly. Capable of surviving in extreme cold, the surveillance equipment has been developed keeping in mind extreme weather conditions along the LAC."
From report

"Lightest" is not necessarily a good thing. If it were a cheap expendable crap then it would be best to be light... but if you are making one with AI & stealth then it's better off with some ceramic tiles before skin.
Small drones are already not that much detectable by radars, but is ground forces see it they'll shoot & it may not be far enough to dodge that, depends on how good it is at evasive movement.

Actually once the AI gets better it'll pave way to making loitering drone-ATGMs... Athough no doubt IA would still insist on using guided SACLOS (Semi-automatic command to line of sight) missiles with 50m min range, until Chinks kill some fodders by shooting from 15km away.

If stuffed with explosives this could also be used in COIN during firefights (probably not while combing).

 

[patriots]

Lightest is not necessarily a good thing. If it were a cheap expendable crap then it would be best to be light... but if you are making one with AI & stealth then it's better off with some ceramic tiles before skin.

Small drones are already not that much detectable by radars, but is ground forces see it they'll shoot.

Bdw least is known about this drone....also least is known about drdo anti drone system.....