Last time we were debating on same thing.
tell me was it economically viable to buy mirages which were evolving over the period... I mean mirages were brought to there full potential over the years in service... Not a full ready package like mk1A.
Very good points. Lets discuss it point wise.
When was Mirage bought? 1980
In what numbers were they bought? 49
Why were they bought? To counter F-16s of Pakistan.
Were they perfect? No, but unlike FOC Tejas, the subcomponents were top of the line at that time.
Was it economically viable to upgrade shitty jaguars ?
Darin 1 was neccesity fine let's assume darin 2 too what about darin 3 ?
On first place how come they purchased incomplete aircraft which lacked very important things which were given in darin 1... They brought it by killing HF73.
When was Jaguar bought? 1978
Why was it bought? Because our government had this brilliant idea that instead of investing in Rolls Royce and upgrading our Maruts, it would be cheap to buy 160 Jaguars to replace Maruts instead.
Was it better then HF-Marut? Yes. Hands down it was better then Marut. Marut could have been better if it would not have faced the similar problem like Tejas.
Was this EKunAmiKaLY vaible saar..
So foreign aircraft are fine. But DoNt oRdEr Tejas mk1 saar. It's doesn't fullfil IAF need Saar. Not ekanamicaly viable saar..
Tell me how viable ~2.3 billion upgrade of mirages was ? That too for just for 51 aircrafts...
In today's worth it is 3.3 billion (65 million per aircraft) brand new Tejas was way cheaper... And neither the upgrade was impressive.. no AESA
So this all is viable but when it comes to Tejas it's not.
Looks like you're a beneficiary of ghooskhory..
Now coming to this horror story of
GARMAR and every thing else, remember two points.
1- You can't ensure your security by being a
STUPID EMOTIONAL FOOL, which majority of us are.
2- It's not the job of services to support your indigenous industry. It's the job of the concerned Ministry.
As
@patriots mentioned and if I understand him correct, he is in favour of ordering FOC in mass number and then upgrade it. But during all this he might have forgot the fact that LRUs of FOC are not interchangeable. With the experience gained in operation of FOC variant, IAF came up with the upgrades which has been done in Mk1A and which has been mass ordered. Just imagine ordering 80 FOC variant and then upgrading them just after the delivery has been completed. What would have been the cost and what would have been the down time?
So which is economically and operationally more viable? To upgrade 20 jets or 80 jets?
Coming to Mirage, is it a prudent decision to upgrade them?
YES. Ask any of the pilots or listen to their interview. Even after being a 50 year old platform, its still better then Mk1A. With Mk2 we would be touching or exceeding the capabilities of Mirage.
Coming to Jaguar, is it a prudent decision to upgrade them? When it was planned, it was a prudent decision. But today its not. So we are not even investing in its engine, which is the major upgrade.
Why? Because its
ECONOMICALLY not viable. Same is the case with MKIs which are our front line fighters BTW.
It is not the job of IAF to allocate fund to Tejas program or other programs. Its the job of MoD to allocate them fund and support their effort. IAFs job is to provide technical inputs to make the platform potent. On other side, its the job of industry to support IAF by developing the platform as per IAFs requirement and support them. Not the other way around.
So stop being and
EMOTIONAL FOOL and start thinking logically.
probably talking about wings being ready to put in jigs or something
