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india can develop tech at this pace at present also but pmo ccs clearence and funds are nottt given first give the funds at time then we can debate tech development speed
if you are new to defence enthusiasts club.

"gormint is always wrong" is the core narrative in defence related matters too, is because most of the journalists are not educated in technology and do not have experience in policy and governance. they view road construction infront of your house and building a jet with the same lense of their core expertise of political journalism, hence most of their conclusions an any engineering related topics sound the same i.e "gormint is not releasing funds" or "gormint is not signing a file", and these are shallow arguments.

in my view, those who are interested in defence related matters should consciously avoid adopting this line of thinking. there could be genuine policy and resource related constraints too, which are not in public domain.
 

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india can develop tech at this pace at present also but pmo ccs clearence and funds are nottt given first give the funds at time then we can debate tech development speed
Even if we develop it who is going to buy it?
It well surely be rejected for being overweight.
Unless there is minimum purchase order clause in contact our industry will never take off
 

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damn turkish and south korean industry are going at full speed but ours in india.............
All our engineering talent was pushed into IT for 2 decades

We take Pride in our H1B visas ,Green cards , and NRI community

Modi ji came just in the nick of time and saved Our Defence Industry or else we would still be importing 155mm guns
 

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genuine policy and resource related constraints too, which are not in public domain.
They are in public people have tend to ignore it for it doesn’t fit the prejudice they have.
 

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All our engineering talent was pushed into IT for 2 decades

We take Pride in our H1B visas ,Green cards , and NRI community

Modi ji came just in the nick of time and saved Our Defence Industry or else we would still be importing 155mm guns
a decade ago on this forum, there will be pages and pages on how Russians not cooperating on putting ACs on T-72/T-90.
 

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if you are new to defence enthusiasts club.

"gormint is always wrong" is the core narrative in defence related matters too, is because most of the journalists are not educated in technology and do not have experience in policy and governance. they view road construction infront of your house and building a jet with the same lense of their core expertise of political journalism, hence most of their conclusions an any engineering related topics sound the same i.e "gormint is not releasing funds" or "gormint is not signing a file", and these are shallow arguments.

in my view, those who are interested in defence related matters should consciously avoid adopting this line of thinking. there could be genuine policy and resource related constraints too, which are not in public domain.
yes government already said that they will release funds when the partnership model is finalized but its already 2-3 years with hal not able to get any partnership in the project and amca is already 2-3 years delayed mk1 will most probably ready for induction in 2032 while we have mastered key tech with lca like flight computers ,radars ,fly by wire ,avionics in about a billion dollar i personally think its govt's fund that is pushing the program though you are right many issues will not be told to us by the govt too
ive never said govt is always wrong but some of the ministries are in some way or the other okay for an example we have developed many many artillary systems both in public and private companies but still no order who's fault lies in here or running mk2,tedbf,amca,trainer aircraft program parallely
 

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for that you have to spend time understanding erdagon’s domestic and foreign policy, defence is one silo which has interlinkages with other governence silos.
agreed i have to spend some time for understanding turkey
 

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ive never said govt is always wrong but some of the ministries are in some way or the other okay for an example we have developed many many artillary systems both in public and private companies but still no order who's fault lies in here or running mk2,tedbf,amca,trainer aircraft program parallely
for reference, it took almost 25 years for the country to become self-sufficient in missile tech.

for aircrafts especially in India, fabrication of first prototype is one of the end goal but not the only goal, every component that goes into a aircraft has to be designed, tendered, vendor selected, fabricated, delivered, tested and certified for assembly. depending on how much indigenous content is required, this whole process gets repeated thousands of times.

this goes back to your comment on turkish jet, turkey need not develop everything from scratch, there are proven technologies that are restricted for India but not for turkey and korea. that's why their development cycles are faster.
 

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for reference, it took almost 25 years for the country to become self-sufficient in missile tech.

for aircrafts especially in India, fabrication of first prototype is one of the end goal but not the only goal, every component that goes into a aircraft has to be designed, tendered, vendor selected, fabricated, delivered, tested and certified for assembly. depending on how much indigenous content is required, this whole process gets repeated thousands of times.

this goes back to your comment on turkish jet, turkey need not develop everything from scratch, there are proven technologies that are restricted for India but not for turkey and korea. that's why their development cycles are faster.
makes sense thanks for the insight
 

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So for this KAAN, what happens if USA does usual "Armeeka" thing with the Engines. Even if they get engines, how is that different from USA holding their Jet Engine spares by ball. And Iam sure USA will never agree to export KAAN to third party with its engines. So, unless Turkey builds its own domestic Engine(which takes around 15 years) its program is as same as imported jets from USA. Also, for India, even if we get AMCA fly today on 21/02/2024, with imported engines, its same fate as Turkey, we will be held by balls.
 

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So for this KAAN, what happens if USA does usual "Armeeka" thing with the Engines. Even if they get engines, how is that different from USA holding their Jet Engine spares by ball.
As far as I am aware they are working on their own engine supposed to be out by 2028-29
 

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Is it normal for a plane that is being test flown for the first time to not have its wheels retracted inside the body?
Yes generally in all the first flights landing gears are kept retracted
U can see many pics of different aircrafts
Infact even a freshly rolled aircraft has its first flight with landing gears retracted
Reasons are obvious
 

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