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[jai jaganath]

The problem with AMCA funding is the SPV model no major player id coming forward all are going for MRFA screwdriver ToT and then working with the OEM on 5th gen bird.
Basically funding their project and then getting x% screwdrivergiri TOT from them.
Only good news is VEM technology trying to take a larger part in the process.

Sooner goi understand better it is

 

[johnj]

I know about it sir
It's my understanding and basically sarcasm that amca to be cleared after 110kn engine selection and spv selection
Just personal opinion

I'm not good with ''sarcasm'' part, kindly neglect my post.

 

[Azaad]

The problem with AMCA funding is the SPV model no major player is coming forward all are going for MRFA screwdriver ToT and then working with the OEM on 5th gen bird.
Basically funding their project and then getting x% screwdrivergiri TOT from them.
Only good news is VEM technology trying to take a larger part in the process.

Not an issue. It was experimental to begin with . Besides it's good the Pvt sector didn't respond . The last thing we need is hollowing out of HAL like Titan did HMT.

The best course of action is if the larger Pvt sector players like Tatas Mahindras etc become vendors before development partners. The reason I suspect they won't follow suit in companies like VEM's footsteps is coz they lack the technological bandwidth which can only mean they may seek to either buy such companies out or go into JVs with them offering them the cushion of access to big time finances which smaller entities like VEM won't have access to as of now in their current shape.

Further the situation with respect to the IN with Pvt companies is before us where one after the other Pvt shipyards entering defence went belly up . The only exception being L&T for obvious reasons.

HAL is good enough to handle AMCA in association with ADA / DRDO with IAF as project manager & MoD as the supra authority. Eventually the Pvt sector will come on board . Let it be an organic process like in the case of the C-295.

 

[raju1982]

Quite frankly Doklam & Galwan notwithstanding , when was the AMCA expected to enter service even if we consider the Mk-1 version ? It certainly wasn't expected before the end of this decade by the most optimistic amongst us regardless of what the government & the various agencies said or sources quoted by defence journalists.

As far as the LCA Mk-2 is concerned , it was supposed to go into mfg as per the plans frozen during MP's tenure as Raksha Mantri in 2016 by 2026. We aren't meeting that schedule now. It's out of the question. But AMCA , Ghatak etc were always due in the 2030s.

That's why the MRFA especially the Rafales are so important. And my gut feeling is 2-4 squadrons of Su-57 with the Item 30 TF before the end of this decade although all evidence of that happening seems loaded against such an eventuality.

If somehow Modi govt approves and releases funds for AMCA in 2024, by the history of R&D in DRDO/India, I can say, first flight by 2029 (+5 years from now) in induction by 2041 (+ 12 yeafs from first flight). By that time everyone will have 6th gen in arsenal.

India being one of the largest economies in the world by that time, will also have one of the low tech forces. Thanks to horrible decision making and no ownership by the top leaders.

Mark my word, India will ultimately buy F-35, sooner or later. PAK FA chanches are less as India did mot buy a new Russian aircraft since it got taste of American weapons like C-130J, C-17, Apache or Chinook. We will remain as a client state dependent on Washington, Paris or Moscow.

There are R&D delays as we are not industrial powerhouse like US/China/Germany etc but what least the govt can do is proper project audit by private party and timely release of fund may be in advance.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[raju1982]

Not an issue. It was experimental to begin with . Besides it's good the Pvt sector didn't respond . The last thing we need is hollowing out of HAL like Titan did HMT.

The best course of action is if the larger Pvt sector players like Tatas Mahindras etc become vendors before development partners. The reason I suspect they won't follow suit in companies like VEM's footsteps is coz they lack the technological bandwidth which can only mean they may seek to either buy such companies out or go into JVs with them offering them the cushion of access to big time finances which smaller entities like VEM won't have access to as of now in their current shape.

Further the situation with respect to the IN with Pvt companies is before us where one after the other Pvt shipyards entering defence went belly up . The only exception being L&T for obvious reasons.

HAL is good enough to handle AMCA in association with ADA / DRDO with IAF as project manager & MoD as the supra authority. Eventually the Pvt sector will come on board . Let it be an organic process like in the case of the C-295.

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LIVEFIST: DRDO's Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA) brochure

14.5 years old posters from DRDO/ADA.

ADA & HAL will kill Mk2 not Muricans.



The dramatic increase in performance that was promised in Mk2 gets less dramatic if Mk1A does it's job.



The first flight of Mk2 went from 2018 during Aero India 2013 to 2022. Atleast 5 years of flight testing before induction (No, I don't share the optimism that it'll be inducted in 2 or 3 years).



So essentially India will be inducting a 4.5 gen aircraft around 10 years from now and a production run of 10 years means that MK2 will be what Mig-21 was in the 1990s. Still flying but not going to win wars for you.



So build the MK1A in numbers, kill the MK2 and move on ASAP to AMCA.

Just a post from 6 years back to show the reality.

 

[raju1982]

The missole is light weight. There should be land version of it.

 

[Arihant Roy]

So, contrary to what was known regarding the Uttam variant to be installed on Tejas mk1A, the newer rectangular antenna array which we had thought would go on Tejas mk2 will find its way onboard mk1A.

The AAAU planks are supplied by Astra Microwave.

There are a total of 30 TRM planks. The original Uttam variant had 771 or 772 TR elements. This new configuration has 912 which is even higher than RBE2AA.

There is a good chance that the to be ordered 97 Tejas mk1A may well feature GaN amplifiers instead of GaAs.

 

[Tejbrahmastra]

 

[jai jaganath]

 

[Azaad]

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14.5 years old posters from DRDO/ADA.





Just a post from 6 years back to show the reality.

What's your point ? !

 

[NutCracker]

The problem with AMCA funding is the SPV model no major player is coming forward all are going for MRFA screwdriver ToT and then working with the OEM on 5th gen bird.
Basically funding their project and then getting x% screwdrivergiri TOT from them.
Only good news is VEM technology trying to take a larger part in the process.

Govt should create a pseudo private shell subsidiary out of HAL and start recruiting fully on the basis of merit disregarding shitty articles mentioned in constipation book.

 

[raju1982]

What's your point ? !

Mu point is tareekh pe tareekh given by drdo. this is going on for last 15 years.

 

[raju1982]

So, contrary to what was known regarding the Uttam variant to be installed on Tejas mk1A, the newer rectangular antenna array which we had thought would go on Tejas mk2 will find its way onboard mk1A.

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The AAAU planks are supplied by Astra Microwave.

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There are a total of 30 TRM planks. The original Uttam variant had 771 or 772 TR elements. This new configuration has 912 which is even higher than RBE2AA.


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There is a good chance that the to be ordered 97 Tejas mk1A may well feature GaN amplifiers instead of GaAs.

Never heard of 10W amplifier for x band aesa on fighter aircraft. Its too low.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Mean While our Indian ultra farting Genrols are trying to fart more heavily..

Armenia to get Indian-developed MArG 155 wheeled self-propelled howitzers – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[Fatalis]

RAWL-03

 

[raju1982]

Mean While our Indian ultra farting Genrols are trying to fart more heavily..

Armenia to get Indian-developed MArG 155 wheeled self-propelled howitzers – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

They are happy taking photos with vintahe T-72/T-90 under strike corps. Govt had to force for Arjun Mk 1A and now may be for 155mm Marg ER which is a superb gun as per spcifications.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

But don't you think the explosive mass to be too low for it to do anything against bunkers?? Well, maybe we can try to slide them through their gun slits.

1kg is plenty tbh. Perhaps not on their hardened bunkers, but there are enough semi-hardened defensive positions. Carl G is just 2kg of projectile, yet sends people flying when it hits bunkers.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Mtu not cummins

MTU was the arm twister, so MOD gave them middle finger and changed engine to Cummins. Rumored to be the ACE engine.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

That turret looks based on Elbit/IDF and General Dynamics Europe's Sabrah pitch for the ASCOD 2 and Pandur 2 programs. Won't be surprising since Tata has agreements with both and has showcased a barebone UT30MK2 turret on the Kestrel before. I don't know who wanted the hull but they need to stop daydreaming about the Bradley and plug the dumb portholes on it and the WhAP too.
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TBH looks more like the 25mm gun on the bradley, so could be a mashup of few designs.