DRDO, PSU and Private Defence Sector News

[patriots]

Rudra firing 70 mm rockets .

 

[Eagle Eye]

Israel using laser guided 120mm mortar's. Did Drdo doing anything on guided mortar's? Or guided 70mm heli rockets?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Israel using laser guided 120mm mortar's. Did Drdo doing anything on guided mortar's? Or guided 70mm heli rockets?

TBH guided mortars not worth the headache. Get guided arty and airburst mortars as standard and it will do fine.

 

[Fatalis]

https://aninews.in/news/national/general-news/after-pralay-defence-forces-may-opt-for-medium-range-ballistic-missiles-in-conventional-roles-for-rocket-force20231105195450/

Most probably Shaurya

 

[Chinmoy]

It's low frequency radar isn't it . Which means can detect stealthy aircraft ?

Detection is one aspect, identifying is other.

Being a L band RADAR, Yes, it can detect stealth platform.

 

[Azaad]

https://aninews.in/news/national/general-news/after-pralay-defence-forces-may-opt-for-medium-range-ballistic-missiles-in-conventional-roles-for-rocket-force20231105195450/

Most probably Shaurya

If it's going to be typically between 500-1000 kms it'd serve a limited purpose though that's needed as well. We need 2000-3000 kms conventional range missiles in bulk qty to deter Chinese rocket forces attacks on targets in mainland India.

In any case we need all such missiles in qtys ranging between 2-3000 per missile at least .

 

[patriots]

 

[Zoid Raptor]

What is the cost to upgrade these beatdown AKs' and INSAS by companies like FabD or SSS?

Even the basic AR rifles costing <$500 in the US look much better than this junk and are probably a lot more reliable

 

[Fatalis]

I am confused with this. So, all the three forces will have their own missiles and they will come together to form a Rocket Force which will act on its own? If they have to use it then how it will work?

@Chinmoy @Lonewarrior @Arihant Roy

 

[Johny_Baba]

hain ? isn't this the same exact upgrade kit that FAB Defence of Israel was offering in past ?
there were even some HD pics out of it

yeh bhi kya FAB waali kit ko 'rebrand' kar ke 'made in india' wala daav chalana chate hai ab ?

 

[no smoking]

If it's going to be typically between 500-1000 kms it'd serve a limited purpose though that's needed as well. We need 2000-3000 kms conventional range missiles in bulk qty to deter Chinese rocket forces attacks on targets in mainland India.

In any case we need all such missiles in qtys ranging between 2-3000 per missile at least .

Unfortunately doesn't work that way.
1. Due to Himalaya mountains, most of India land based early warning radar will not be able to detect the Chinese rocket in early rising stage. So the whole network will lose about 5-10 minutes warning time for long range incoming rocket. For those targets close to the border, the possible scenario is: the time the alarm rings is the time you see the short missiles are diving towards you. That is why Tibet is so important to India strategically.
2. Defense missiles are far more expensive than ordinary ballistic missiles, and generally you have to launch 2 defense missiles against one ballistic missile. Considering both countries' manufacturing capability and current missiles numbers, you either bankrupt yourselves before the war comes or be overwhelmed by the enemy.

 

[Azaad]

Unfortunately doesn't work that way.
1. Due to Himalaya mountains, most of India land based early warning radar will not be able to detect the Chinese rocket in early rising stage. So the whole network will lose about 5-10 minutes warning time for long range incoming rocket. For those targets close to the border, the possible scenario is: the time the alarm rings is the time you see the short missiles are diving towards you. That is why Tibet is so important to India strategically.
2. Defense missiles are far more expensive than ordinary ballistic missiles, and generally you have to launch 2 defense missiles against one ballistic missile. Considering both countries' manufacturing capability and current missiles numbers, you either bankrupt yourselves before the war comes or be overwhelmed by the enemy.

Another lying thieving member of a no good race which specialises only in lying & thieving, who doesn't comprehend what's written thanks to another no good app his no good people have come up with , which like which most things they've come with , translates less & omits more. .

 

[karn]

Unfortunately doesn't work that way.
1. Due to Himalaya mountains, most of India land based early warning radar will not be able to detect the Chinese rocket in early rising stage. So the whole network will lose about 5-10 minutes warning time for long range incoming rocket. For those targets close to the border, the possible scenario is: the time the alarm rings is the time you see the short missiles are diving towards you. That is why Tibet is so important to India strategically.
2. Defense missiles are far more expensive than ordinary ballistic missiles, and generally you have to launch 2 defense missiles against one ballistic missile. Considering both countries' manufacturing capability and current missiles numbers, you either bankrupt yourselves before the war comes or be overwhelmed by the enemy.

He said deter not counter.

 

[Blood+]

There is a lot to unpack here, so let's get started in earnest.

Unfortunately doesn't work that way.
1. Due to Himalaya mountains, most of India land based early warning radar will not be able to detect the Chinese rocket in early rising stage. So the whole network will lose about 5-10 minutes warning time for long range incoming rocket. For those targets close to the border, the possible scenario is: the time the alarm rings is the time you see the short missiles are diving towards you.

These are ballistic missiles we are talking about and as their name suggest, they happen to follow a ballistic flight path. So, radars positioned atop the peaks of the Himalayan ranges can easily detect them at sufficient ranges. After all, these are not terrain hugging cruise missiles, now are they?? So, this section of your argument is entirely based on your total lack of comprehension of this topic and not on facts.

That is why Tibet is so important to India strategically.

True but you've gotta keep in mind that TAR is a featureless barren wasteland of a plateau, with practically no way of concealing any significant deployment of forces, so you can forget about achieving any kind of surprise.

2. Defense missiles are far more expensive than ordinary ballistic missiles,

Not necessarily!! One doesn't need to employ expensive high-end SAM systems like Barak 8 or S-400 to counter ballistic missiles of that range class. And mid range SAMs like Akash cost a lot less than such medium range BMs that are employed by the PLA rocket forces.

and generally you have to launch 2 defense missiles against one ballistic missile.

That's the rule of thumb, yes.

Considering both countries' manufacturing capability and current missiles numbers, you either bankrupt yourselves before the war comes or be overwhelmed by the enemy.

Or we can just take a page out of the Vietcong's doctrine and go underground and wait out the Chinese firestorm. Here, check this out - https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...s-in-ladakh/story-4RVVPMjeofhzB9kUQCKTeL.html

 

[Blood+]

He said deter not counter.

I don't think this is gonna deter the CCP if they do make up their mind to punish us for some reason. The need of the hour is to build up an extensive network of underground infrastructure all along the LAC while simultaneously working overtime towards strengthening our economy.

 

[skunk works]

There is a lot to unpack here, so let's get started in earnest.

These are ballistic missiles we are talking about and as their name suggest, they happen to follow a ballistic flight path. So, radars positioned atop the peaks of the Himalayan ranges can easily detect them at sufficient ranges. After all, these are not terrain hugging cruise missiles, now are they?? So, this section of your argument is entirely based on your total lack of comprehension of this topic and not on facts.


True but you've gotta keep in mind that TAR is a featureless barren wasteland of a plateau, with practically no way of concealing any significant deployment of forces, so you can forget about achieving any kind of surprise.


Not necessarily!! One doesn't need to employ expensive high-end SAM systems like Barak 8 or S-400 to counter ballistic missiles of that range class. And mid range SAMs like Akash and the likes of ESSMs (I know we don't use ESSMs but the upcoming VLSRSAM relies on the same principle i.e repurposing BVRAAMs as SAMs) cost a lot less than such medium range BMs that are employed by the PLA rocket forces.

That's the rule of thumb, yes.

Or we can just take a page out of the Vietcong's doctrine and go underground and wait out the Chinese firestorm. Here, check this out - https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...s-in-ladakh/story-4RVVPMjeofhzB9kUQCKTeL.html

Also, wouldn't early warning satellites be able to detect the launch, irrespective of the Himalayas?

 

[Blood+]

Also, wouldn't early warning satellites be able to detect the launch, irrespective of the Himalayas?

Of course.

 

[karn]

I don't think this is gonna deter the CCP if they do make up their mind to punish us for some reason. The need of the hour is to build up an extensive network of underground infrastructure all along the LAC while simultaneously working overtime towards strengthening our economy.

Si vis pacem parabellum as it is said .. if we had no way of making a response they can punish us easily .
But practically a reason they need large a rocket forces to begin with is the limited payload of their aircraft flying out of Tibet.

 

[Blood+]

Si vis pacem parabellum as it is said .. if we had no way of making a response they can punish us easily .
But practically a reason they need large a rocket forces to begin with is the limited payload of their aircraft flying out of Tibet.

Absolutely. There is no denying that we need to build up our own rocket forces and build it up to such an extent that they remember our retaliation for generations but they won't act as a deterrent once the shooting begins is all I'm saying.

 

[Azaad]

Absolutely. There is no denying that we need to build up our own rocket forces and build it up to such an extent that they remember our retaliation for generations but they won't act as a deterrent once the shooting begins is all I'm saying.

I know we've had this argument before but why don't you think it'd act as a deterrent. There are 2 aspects to this - one is the rocket forces targetting infrastructure & all our bases between 2-300 kms on our side of the LAC. Unfortunately for us a good deal of our cities also fall in this targetting zone. Do remember Delhi is not more than 500 kms from the LAC as the crow flies.

Now for us to target bases deep within Xinjiang & Tibet say between 500-1500 deep we're only half as equipped now that too with Ltd nos. If the Chinese claim parity that brings major population & industrial centres like Delhi, Kolkata etc within it's ambit. How do we react then?

There's not much of worth in terms of targets within Xinjiang or Tibet to target beyond bases. All their industrial & population centres are located in the far East or South with some in Central China which is anywhere between 2-3000 kms away from the LAC as the crow flies.