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I know but even that seems quite impossible to me. The typical 105 APFSDS maxes out at ~260 mm or so at 2000 meters (60-degree), so even a perforation against a 500-mm-thick block of armor seems improbable, if not implausible.
Oh lmao.
It doesnt mean 500mm plate that is tilted at 60 degrees.

it means plate is at 60 degree, with 500mm LOS penetration.
So around 200mm thick plate tilted at 60 degrees.

Thats the standard way of measuring penetration, the chinese are weird in how they do their measurements. Dont go by their standard.

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this is 500 mm of armour at 60 degree

Not at 60 degree they can't!!
They can bro, very easily.
 

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No, they were doing 500-540 at 0 degrees!!
No.

They were defeating a 220 mm plate at 66 degrees.

For rest of the world, that is 540mm penetration at 66 degrees.

Thickness is taken effective LOS, not thickness of plate.
And 540 mm LOS at 60 degrees is not the same as 540 mm thick plate at 0 degrees, which seems to be your confusion.
 

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Oh lmao.
It doesnt mean 500mm plate that is tilted at 60 degrees.

it means plate is at 60 degree, with 500mm LOS penetration.
So around 200mm thick plate tilted at 60 degrees.

Thats the standard way of measuring penetration, the chinese are weird in how they do their measurements. Dont go by their standard.
250mm to be exact - 250/cos 60°. Anyway, if that's indeed what they meant, then it's very much within reach, but if that's the case, then the wording was completely off!! They should have said 500 mm at 0 degrees. But I do not believe this to be the case though and I'll explain why.

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this is 500 mm of armour at 60 degree
No, that's not how it works, not in any other tank building nation I know of at least!! If you mention X mm at Y degrees, then X will always denote the effective thickness of the armor array, not the LOS thickness at Y degrees!
I mean, take that Chinese poster of their BTA2 APFSDS round for example -



What does it say here?? It's 220 mm at 66.42 degrees. So what, the actual thickness of the armor was just 110 mm??!! NO!! It's definitely a 220mm thick armor array tilted at 66.42 degrees!! How are we supposed to get 500+ mm pen at 0 degrees if we are to go with your reasoning??!! And they are not weird in this regard, this IS the norm worldwide.

So, yeah, 500 mm at 60 degrees would definitely mean a 500 mm plate tilted at 60 degrees in any part of the world!! Now, if the Indian Army follows its own unique standards, which I'm aware of one way or another, then I wasn't at fault for assuming what I did.

They can bro, very easily.
Only if we are to go with your logic, but not if we follow the norm.
 
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Ok, I stand corrected. Chinese are definitely the odd one out in this regard, so I was the one who was wrong. Sorry guys.
Also, do note that 500mm at 0 degrees is not the same as 500mm at 60 degrees.

More angle means some of the penetrator is lost initially but perforation is easier. So it does change slightly.
 

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Can't we develop something similar by using the L-70 gun or AK-630? Not talking about the Pani ka tanki concept but using either BMP-2 or Tata IMPV.
Of course it can be done if the Armed forces put forth a requirement and then enough time is invested into it.
 

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Can't we develop something similar by using the L-70 gun or AK-630? Not talking about the Pani ka tanki concept but using either BMP-2 or Tata IMPV.
We can, just that IA isnt that serious about SHORAD rn. Pak doesnt have serious A2G capabilities, and we just got serious about China, so we might see something like it developed in future but we dont have anything right now.

Also L70 gun wont work for this, its good for slow targets like drones etc but rate of fire is too low.
 

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The problem with the AK630 is that the ammunition storage is such that pani ka tanki is unavoidable, unlike the Phalanx which stores its ammo in the dome, and thus deck penetration is not an issue.
I get that, but would it be too difficult to reposition the magazine?? Oh, and I believe the ammo in the Phalanx system is housed within that drum like thing under the gun and not the dome on top.
 

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I get that, but would it be too difficult to reposition the magazine?? Oh, and I believe the ammo in the Phalanx system is housed within that drum like thing under the gun and not the dome on top.
I'd rather go with the L70 and mate it with a good FCR and EOIR and air bursting ammo. Oh wait, TASL already has done it (and secured export orders too)
 

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Isnt L70 rate of fire too low for fast targets? 300 rounds a minute is too low IMO for targets like planes and missiles.
Yeah. For a drone swarm, it'd do just fine, but if it's a mass volley of incoming MLRS rockets or artillery rounds, then it'll have no chance unless you deploy a shitton of these systems.
 
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