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[Sanatani]

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We have a high ranking army officer living in our society. Everyday two ardalis come from morning to evening to do his household chores. That person has got a good salary ,he has a bungalow in the army colony which he got from government at throw away prices ,gets things on discount from canteen and on top of everything gets two full time servants from the government. How can the salaries and pension be not that high. Completely fucked up system.

 

[vishnugupt]

CHOCOLATE momos? Kya BEGHAIRAT cheez hai ye??

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Honesty speaking, I do not think Paki is competition to us in any field of defence even in Air power.
This is UN Generals who is bringing us misery. Our local products are enough to deal with them decisively if you use them effectively and in numbers.

they won't be able to import a lot of military equipment after some time as the military is getting more expensive in the new generation across the board. so they will be forced to reduce their inventory in terms of numbers as the latest stuff especially big ticket items like planes,tanks and ships are getting more tech-intensive and expensive,which means they will only at best be able to buy defensive low-tech stuff to maintain an army for purely defensive purposes.because if you want to ever want to threaten anyone militarily,you have to these expensive equipment and have enough of them that you could afford to lose a few of them.

do you ever think pak will have any meaningful number of 5th gen and 6th gen aircraft with their finances.what about high tech infantry gear.what about ships and land vehicles. they of the future in 10-20 years,pakis may not even exist as a nation.

the reason that pakis seem even close by in terms of numbers in some areas is due to the fact that India has been lethargic with reagrds to decision-making and urgency for procurement.the cases of fast induction of weapons in india have been low in recent decades especially in the airforce and army.

 

[jai jaganath]

Honesty speaking, I do not think Paki is competition to us in any field of defence even in Air power.
This is UN Generals who is bringing us misery. Our local products are enough to deal with them decisively if you use them effectively and in numbers.

But sirji just see the way they are procuring soon their sq strength will match ours
What are we doing
Even I believe they will be the first in acquiring 5th gen fighters from China or turkey
It's their determination to end us which is driving them and they will not end it

 

[fooLIam]

Part of me believes Indian senior leadership have poor technical knowledge and do not at all keep up with the latest technical literature.
What exactly are you doing so much testing for? What kind of test goals and documentation is maintained? How much are simulators used in place of expensive real world testing?
Why is rapid prototyping philosophy not applied? Why are developers not given a minimum set of goals to achieve for a rapid prototype and then go from there?
They want a perfect product on day 1 (stupid way of thinking if you are making anything complex.)

That seems to be characteristics of all governmental organisation babus .Be it railway or any other , these guys insist on 100% testing or documentation. Work is going as per bsen standards and these guys insist on “hamare deparment Mai to aisa hota hai”.

 

[ezsasa]

we are talking about the fast decisions and clear-mindedness of pak army when it comes to their procurement, not where they get their money from. if they have resources,they don't waste any time(even though it has come at a cost of forcing changes in Pakistan's economics and politics that has given rise to other structural weaknesses)

sure, in their case having the same strategic doctrine for 75 years does have it's advantages and at the same time disadvantages.

we don't have that luxury, this is second time in 75 years we have been forced to focus east, and the rest of the time on the west. while having to worry about two front war all the time. all this with limited resources for a continent sized country.

 

[AnantS]

CHOCOLATE momos? Kya BEGHAIRAT cheez hai ye??

he is in his teens or early 20s. He can love them as well as digest them

 

[Truthsoldier]

IAF has been made a complete fool by Modi govt. and (HAL + ADA) PSU ecosystem.

• Even after IAF wailing for a decade, govt. buys only 36 jets.
• Tejas Mk1A starts manufacturing in 2024 (83 deliveries will take till 2028-29).
• Tejas Mk2 is nowhere in sight (no guarantee of more delays), and will tentatively enter production in 2028 (if everything goes correctly, and that is a big expectation).
• AMCA tentatively sometime in 2032 (if everything goes correctly, and that is a big expectation)

It is a fashion to blame services these days. Look at the delay for tejas mk2 funding, amca funding pending with ccs from 1.5 years, no engine deal till now but still no furore and accountability against govt ineptitude

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

So list of major things showcased in Aero India
1. Rustam - Now SRUAV - Still no sign of induction
2. Tejas MK2 - Got CCS on 31 Aug 22, when it was a roll out when interviewed HAL CMD few years ago.
3. AMCA - No CCS
4. TEDBF - No CCS
5. IMRH - No CCS
6. HTFE - No information
7. HSTE - No information
8. CATS - No updates
9. Tejas SPORT - No updates
10. TAPAS - Still in testing
11. ARCHER MALE UAV - New Copium
12. HLFT-42 - New Copium


Only thing we saw in flesh is CATS Infinity which is undergoing some testing

Others are baically big ass Copium for us.

 

[johnj]

bite what you can chew is what is happening now.

other than old rafale deal that didn't happen, what is different from your what should have happened and what is happening?

and even on old rafale deal, how will it happen when the OEM was not keen on making them within India using HAL as production agency?

and more importantly fighter jets are not the only CAPEX IAF has been spending money on. and money is a still a limited resource for GoI.

Its like Indian permanent seat in UNSC.
Every one except GoI knows India can only afford mig 35/f16.
GoI wasted 1.5 decade in mmrca deal, and only thanks to Manohar Parrikar[his vision] IAF able to get 83 mk1a. Now GoI dreaming about AMCA & LCA mk2.
My best guess- LCA mk2 enter production for IAF around 2035 and AMCA mk1 after 2040.
HAL knows this and consider developing HLFT-42, and this aircraft help to keep its jet production running if ada fails to deliver on time, and HLFT-42 is useful for training & CAS[mig27]

 

[Harry101]

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We need pradhanmantri Gulag yojna to deal with this abomination

 

[Eagle Eye]

Look at the delay for tejas mk2 funding, amca funding pending with ccs from 1.5 years,

AMCA cdr not copmpleted. AMCA funding file didnt get RM/air chief sign,how did it go to ccs?

 

[AnantS]

at round 1:59:03 onwards you shall find status update of HFTE and others. But alas no video of engine running. Only sound of engine spooling and running is audible.

 

[Eagle Eye]

In 2004,MMRCA deal initial est is 10B$, it become 20$ in 2013.
Now MRAF IAF starts selection,4-5yrs down the line(2027 if it happens) it become 35B$!

Any Indian govt hv GUT to fund 35B$ import bill and justify it unless war? IAF living in la la land!

 

[vishnugupt]

It is a fashion to blame services these days. Look at the delay for tejas mk2 funding, amca funding pending with ccs from 1.5 years, no engine deal till now but still no furore and accountability against govt ineptitude

See how hard it is to build a system in country. And then imagine the pain being rejected for silly reasons or kept them into trials to kill them.

 

[ezsasa]

Its like Indian permanent seat in UNSC.
Every one except GoI knows India can only afford mig 35/f16.
GoI wasted 1.5 decade in mmrca deal, and only thanks to Manohar Parrikar[his vision] IAF able to get 83 mk1a. Now GoI dreaming about AMCA & LCA mk2.
My best guess- LCA mk2 enter production for IAF around 2035 and AMCA mk1 after 2040.
HAL knows this and consider developing HLFT-42, and this aircraft help to keep its jet production running if ada fails to deliver on time, and HLFT-42 is useful for training & CAS[mig27]

GoI does not dream up SQRs, IAF does. GoI signs cheques and facilitates negotiations/deals either within the country or outside the country.
for example, IAF may like a particular engine from some country. IAF does not deal with foreign policy negotiations to get it, GoI/MEA handle and facilitate the negotiations to get IAF the best possible offer. if govt of the day is bad at negotiations, we get nothing out of it.

 

[Truthsoldier]

A serious nation with large needs should have whole of nation approach when it involves big ticket defence projects. For eg. Amca should be steered by high ranking PMO official with Vcoas, def sec, ada chief, finance sec on board. A border provocation here and there or Pakistan getting J31 in future - we will run to USA/RUSSIA for 5th gen jets and spends billions which will be in multiples of total AMCA project cost and will also cost loss of sovereignty. And all domestic projects will starve to death

 

[vidhwanshak]

 

[Vamsi]

Only good news today

 

[johnj]

GoI does not dream up SQRs, IAF does. GoI signs cheques and facilitates negotiations/deals either within the country or outside the country.
for example, IAF may like a particular engine from some country. IAF does not deal with foreign policy negotiations to get it, GoI/MEA handle and facilitate the negotiations to get IAF the best possible offer. if govt of the day is bad at negotiations, we get nothing out of it.

True. Iaf wanted ej200 but brought ge414 and same goes to scorpene torpedo.
Iaf gets what goi buys- and goi fully capable of rejecting iaf choice/demands.