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Also like many spinoffs for example NGARM airframe derived from Astra. Prahar was also derived from AAD missile, saves a lot of things to do. Interestingly and maybe a lot of you know that the QRs were changed at the end of the project. From a personal PoV and opinion, the bastards didn't even knew what they wanted, this was when the project was not delayed. Alas such is the story of many projects but we plebs should not question the IA and it's right to do whatever it wants, where is th CAG like institute for that huh.

So that's the story why we saw this new poster
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Also, Pralay as noticed has been heavily derived from K15 shaurya and understandably as the quasi ballistic design was validated then and no need to do the same work again for a new design.

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After setup of Rocket forces, for a layman it is clear enough that a 500km class TBM won't be enough against China and sooner or later 1000km class TBMs would be required. As you can see on map we do need longer range for striking in China's deep while opposite is not true.

Therefore Next logical step would be to do what Soviets intended to do with their SS-23 spider missiles. First variant was with a separable warhead, with enhanced survivability against AD threats and the possibility of range extension through skip trajectory. Second one was the Volga missile in mid, basically a two stage SS-23 missile with 1000km range. The idea is very neat and one which can achieve economies of scale.

One could only imagine just how many missiles would we need against a long conflict against China or Pakistan when even Ukraine has shown that 1k missiles are not enough and Russia has to rely on Shahed poor man's cruise missile which has a merit of it's own but still no one would have thought that Russia would be importing weapons that too in mid of war, if you ask me even a 5k number missile with us will look small.
 

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Also like many spinoffs for example NGARM airframe derived from Astra. Prahar was also derived from AAD missile, saves a lot of things to do. Interestingly and maybe a lot of you know that the QRs were changed at the end of the project. From a personal PoV and opinion, the bastards didn't even knew what they wanted, this was when the project was not delayed. Alas such is the story of many projects but we plebs should not question the IA and it's right to do whatever it wants, where is th CAG like institute for that huh.

So that's the story why we saw this new poster
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Also, Pralay as noticed has been heavily derived from K15 shaurya and understandably as the quasi ballistic design was validated then and no need to do the same work again for a new design.

View attachment 186877
After setup of Rocket forces, for a layman it is clear enough that a 500km class TBM won't be enough against China and sooner or later 1000km class TBMs would be required. As you can see on map we do need longer range for striking in China's deep while opposite is not true.

Therefore Next logical step would be to do what Soviets intended to do with their SS-23 spider missiles. First variant was with a separable warhead, with enhanced survivability against AD threats and the possibility of range extension through skip trajectory. Second one was the Volga missile in mid, basically a two stage SS-23 missile with 1000km range. The idea is very neat and one which can achieve economies of scale.

One could only imagine just how many missiles would we need against a long conflict against China or Pakistan when even Ukraine has shown that 1k missiles are not enough and Russia has to rely on Shahed poor man's cruise missile which has a merit of it's own but still no one would have thought that Russia would be importing weapons that too in mid of war, if you ask me even a 5k number missile with us will look small.
You're correct. But by the time we make the 250th missile out of 1000, the army will want Neutrino warheads on them with localised blackholes and garlic flavour to kill vampires for good measure.
 

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The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), headed by Raksha Mantri Shri Rajnath Singh, in its meeting held on December 22, 2022, has accorded approval for Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) for 24 Capital Acquisition Proposals. These proposals include six for Indian Army, six for Indian Air Force, 10 for Indian Navy and two for Indian Coast Guard for a total value of Rs 84,328 crore. It is pertinent to mention that 21 proposals, worth Rs 82,127 crore (97.4%), are approved for procurement from indigenous sources. This unprecedented initiative of DAC will not only modernise the Armed Forces but also provide substantial boost to the defence industry to achieve the goal of ‘Aatmanirbhar Bharat’.


The AoNs accorded will equip the Indian Army with platforms and equipment such as Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicles, Light Tanks and Mounted Gun System providing a quantum jump to Indian Army’s operational preparedness. Proposals approved also includes procurement of Ballistic Helmets, with enhanced protection level, for our soldiers.


Approvals for procurement of Naval Anti-Ship Missiles, Multi-Purpose Vessels and High Endurance Autonomous Vehicles will further enhance maritime strength giving boost to Indian Navy’s capabilities.


Indian Air Force will be further strengthened with enhanced lethal capabilities by induction of new range of missile system, Long Range Guided Bombs, Range Augmentation Kit for conventional bombs and advanced surveillance systems.


The procurement of Next Generation Offshore Patrol Vessels for Indian Coast Guard will enhance surveillance capability in the coastal areas to new heights.

 

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A very interesting find
Although it's Shukla ji report but interestingly a 50km range artillery gun was asked to drdo in the 2010 itself 🤯🤯 none other than by the Army ji. I am literally mind blown by the fact that none of the guns even in foreign armies had that kind of capability with it, and a 25l chambered artillery gun was almost non existent albeit G6 which was a Self propelled howitzer but that too was in service with standard 23l chamber and 25l chamber one was kind of experimental.

And now that even Rheinmetall has shown that using a 25l gun with VLAP like round, ranges in excess of 70km can be achieved, this was with Z-6 charge, ATAGS is capable of firing Z-7 charge. Pair the rounds with PGK/CCF which are also in development under TDF and that will give a hell lot of overmatch to our side.


ATAGS with all its capability is one hell of a howitzer.
I thought the record for artillery range was 48KM by ATAGS. Evan kalyani mentioned it in one of his interviews. Is that not the case?
 

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Americans broke the record
They used either rocket assisted projectile or rython extended range excaliber ammunition to achieve 60 km plus . Kind of ammunition is also important along with artillery for greater range .

I thought the record for artillery range was 48KM by ATAGS. Evan kalyani mentioned it in one of his interviews. Is that not the case?
ATAGS can fire 52.074 km using High Explosive base bleed ammunition . The ramjet powered artillery shell being developed by iit madras is supposed to achieve 78km with atags . And Bharat forge working on a rocket assisted projectile to fire up to120 km distance .
 

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They used either rocket assisted projectile or rython extended range excaliber ammunition to achieve 60 km plus . Kind of ammunition is also important along with artillery for greater range .



ATAGS can fire 52.074 km using High Explosive base bleed ammunition . The ramjet powered artillery shell being developed by iit madras is supposed to achieve 78km with atags . And Bharat forge forge working on a rocket assisted projectile to fire up to120 km distance .
IIT Madras project, I think its still on posters yet. Nothing has moved forward.
 

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I thought the record for artillery range was 48KM by ATAGS. Evan kalyani mentioned it in one of his interviews. Is that not the case?
That record by ATAGS is using non rocket ammo, and is the world record for non rocket assisted ammo..... All these articles (like of that american SPH also) are using rocket assisted ammo to get those ranges. If rocket assisted ammo is fired from ATAGS, similar boost in range will be there.
 

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A very interesting find
Although it's Shukla ji report but interestingly a 50km range artillery gun was asked to drdo in the 2010 itself 🤯🤯 none other than by the Army ji. I am literally mind blown by the fact that none of the guns even in foreign armies had that kind of capability with it, and a 25l chambered artillery gun was almost non existent albeit G6 which was a Self propelled howitzer but that too was in service with standard 23l chamber and 25l chamber one was kind of experimental.

And now that even Rheinmetall has shown that using a 25l gun with VLAP like round, ranges in excess of 70km can be achieved, this was with Z-6 charge, ATAGS is capable of firing Z-7 charge. Pair the rounds with PGK/CCF which are also in development under TDF and that will give a hell lot of overmatch to our side.


ATAGS with all its capability is one hell of a howitzer.
Just a small question....... Where it is written that IA wants a 50 km range artillery?

In none of the article it is mentioned that IA has sought a 50 km range artillery.
 

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