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[abingdonboy]

They are working on a tracked model as well. Gotta give them credit, didnt think they would come out with even a prototype soon.

That Bharat Forge, DRDO competition really was a motivation for some sections of OFB.

Hope they use the Arjun chassis to come out with something comparable with K9 so we can put that pathetic “Arjun catapult” behind us.

 

[abingdonboy]

Yes it is from DRDO

My personal opinion,
namica setup is different it is fixed (not raisable) and it utilizes compass derivative as the sensors , one for the commander and one for the gunner .
Also me thinks their capabilities are higher.

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Namica optronics

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BMP 2 optronics

the commanders Panaromic sight is the Arjun's commanders Panaromic sight. And it looks to be mast mounted and raisable (personal opinion)

I meant in terms of sensor placement not the actual sensors bro.

This is from DRDO, is it a special version or a specific upgrade for all BMPs?

 

[Shaitan]

Hope they use the Arjun chassis to come out with something comparable with K9 so we can put that pathetic “Arjun catapult” behind us.

The akward thing is... DRDO wants to produce wheeled and tracked model for ATAGS as well. So, that model will use Indian truck, Arjun track, or newer FRCV track. Arjun and tatra for Dhanush.

 

[porky_kicker]

Is this from DRDO?

On the left is the commander’s sight which looks to be mounted on an extendable mast to raise it up, on the right is the gunner’s sight. This is pretty much the setup seen on the NAMICA.

Have you seen this one ?

BFSR-SR mounted on BMP 2

Army is seriously looking to implement OODA ( observe, orient, decide, act) capability into its warfighting tactics both horizontally and vertically.

 

[abingdonboy]

The akward thing is... DRDO wants to produce wheeled and tracked model for ATAGS as well. So, that model will use Indian truck, Arjun track, or newer FRCV track. Arjun and tatra for Dhanush.

Nothing wrong with competition.

ATAGS is the better arty peice so would be my preference for a MGS and SPG but weight may be it’s Achilles heel.

DRDO and OFB have competed against each other before (JVPC vs AMOGH)

Much better than it being DRDO/OFB vs a foreign OEM.

 

[porky_kicker]

I meant in terms of sensor placement not the actual sensors bro.

This is from DRDO, is it a special version or a specific upgrade for all BMPs?

Don't know for sure , but looks like it will be specific upgrade for all BMP 2s .

Commanders panaromic sight will give the BMP 2 unmatched hunter killer capability which it lacked till date.

 

[porky_kicker]

Coast guard's latest offshore patrol vessel (OPV) built by Larsen & Toubro. These class of ship's are of 2140 tons and almost 100 m long.

Unique about it is the bow thrusters which can be seen in the pic below.

 

[porky_kicker]

A better resolution pic of the indigenous 155x52mm MGS

 

[Enquirer]

ATAGS is the better arty peice so would be my preference for a MGS and SPG but weight may be it’s Achilles heel.

The truck mounted version of ATAGS will automatically lose:
- 4 wheels
- traction motors
- transmission system
- steering mechanism &
- much of the APU (smaller one required only for gun operation & not for transporting itself)
- some of the support systems.


Net-net, if a truck can tow ATAGS then it can surely carry a reduced weight version of the same.

 

[abingdonboy]

The truck mounted version of ATAGS will automatically lose:
- 4 wheels
- traction motors
- transmission system
- steering mechanism &
- much of the APU (smaller one required only for gun operation & not for transporting itself)
- some of the support systems.


Net-net, if a truck can tow ATAGS then it can surely carry a reduced weight version of the same.

No doubt it will be lighter but it will need to be of comparable weight to the CEASAR as that is surely what it will be compared to.

You can see the Army is already creating an issue with towed ATAGS’s weight. That may not carry over to a truck mounted version depending on the reasons for its excessive weight but it also might.


We’ve all seen how these games play out before, ATAGS MGS will have to be as good if not better than the highly developed CEASAR otherwise it has no chance being ordered by the IA.

 

[abingdonboy]

A better resolution pic of the indigenous 155x52mm MGS

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Would LOVE to see a practice deployment, shoot and “scoot” drill with this thing. Fascinated to see it in action.

+ wonder how many operators it needs? 3-4 like CEASAR?

 

[porky_kicker]

Would LOVE to see a practice deployment, shoot and “scoot” drill with this thing. Fascinated to see it in action.

+ wonder how many operators it needs? 3-4 like CEASAR?

This is a very initial prototype , most probably for testing purposes to firm up the design and make necessary changes and modifications before the definitive model for pre production stage is rolled out on a better engineered mobile platform. Plus user inputs will need to be assimilated before the final design is firmed up.

 

[Enquirer]

No doubt it will be lighter but it will need to be of comparable weight to the CEASAR as that is surely what it will be compared to.

You can see the Army is already creating an issue with towed ATAGS’s weight. That may not carry over to a truck mounted version depending on the reasons for its excessive weight but it also might.


We’ve all seen how these games play out before, ATAGS MGS will have to be as good if not better than the highly developed CEASAR otherwise it has no chance being ordered by the IA.

Even on a reasonable/logical level, ATAGS has to be at least 10%-15% heavier than Ceasar - primarily due to its bigger charge chamber (25L vs 23L), as such all the other parts have to be made heavier/stronger (barrel to take more pressure & recoil system to withstand higher recoil).

 

[Enquirer]

This is AWESOME
3) would really like to see this on an Indian truck (Nexter mounted 155/52 CEASAR on a 6x6 AL truck)

It's the other way round, they mounted CAESAR gun which was on a 6x6 truck onto an 8x8 Tatra so that it can carry more ammo, give crew compartment ballistic protection and more importantly add the additional weight of autoloader.

It's actually good that DRDO is going for a 8x8 truck from get go.

 

[abingdonboy]

It's the other way round, they mounted CAESAR gun which was on a 6x6 truck onto an 8x8 Tatra so that it can carry more ammo, give crew compartment ballistic protection and more importantly add the additional weight of autoloader.

It's actually good that DRDO is going for a 8x8 truck from get go.

Dhanush and ATAGS have autoloaders AFAIK, my only concern with a 8X8 is WEIGHT, this seems to be the issue the IA raises with all Indian equipment.

ATAGS/Dhanush-52 MGS should weigh <25tons though

 

[Enquirer]

Dhanush and ATAGS have autoloaders AFAIK, my only concern with a 8X8 is WEIGHT, this seems to be the issue the IA raises with all Indian equipment.

ATAGS/Dhanush-52 MGS should weigh <25tons though

Dhanush definitely doesn't have an autoloader.
Wrt ATAGS, there's talk about buying a foreign autoloader. But there may be an internal effort also to develop one.

 

[abingdonboy]

Dhanush definitely doesn't have an autoloader.
Wrt ATAGS, there's talk about buying a foreign autoloader. But there may be an internal effort also to develop one.

Sorry, both have powered rammers.

Autoloaders in MGS are a luxery IMHO and not really worth the extra weight, a skilled crew can perform almost as well as an autoloader.

 

[porky_kicker]

Dhanush definitely doesn't have an autoloader.
Wrt ATAGS, there's talk about buying a foreign autoloader. But there may be an internal effort also to develop one.

ATAGS has a auto loader from Kalyani

Why do you think the 6 round magazine is for ?

The atags is the world’s only gun with a six-round “automated magazine” that fires a six-round burst in just 30 seconds.

A high “burst fire” capability will provide the army a significant advantage since artillery causes most casualties in the initial burst of fire, when enemy soldiers are caught in the open (and not after they dive into their trenches).

With present guns the 1st round hits enemy areas , the pigs run inside their holes and after that any no of shells fired is a waste of money and time.

Tata version with revolver type 6 round magazine

KALYANI version with linear 6 round magazine with the autoloader on top on the breech.

 

[Enquirer]

Sorry, both have powered rammers.

Autoloaders in MGS are a luxery IMHO and not really worth the extra weight, a skilled crew can perform almost as well as an autoloader.

Agreed. Especially because the rate of fire of these guns are so low, an autoloader doesn't really add any value other than reduce the crew numbers.

 

[Enquirer]

ATAGS has a auto loader from Kalyani

Why do you think the magazine is for ?

But that's not a true autoloader. True autoloaders manage ALL rounds & charge without any manual intervention.