DRDO, PSU and Private Defence Sector News

[Chinmoy]

Is nt there a public private partnership with regards to AMCA ? There were reports Private sector already involved .

Which one?

A consortium would be formed. But nothing happened on it.

 

[Tiwariji]

Which one?

A consortium would be formed. But nothing happened on it.

Yeah u r right nothing happened yet . In feb there was news that a SPV will be formed with private sector having majority share . Turns out spv ll be formed in 2023 . IMRH ll follow same route .

 

[Chinmoy]

Yeah u r right nothing happened yet . In feb there was news that a SPV will be formed with private sector having majority share . Turns out spv ll be formed in 2023 . IMRH ll follow same route .

And all are crying, Government is not releasing fund, all the while.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Not just wings. Most of the weight increment of Gaurav comes from the stabilization mechanism built in it to stop the rolling post release.
But the weight is nowhere 450 kg. Its less then that. But 1000 kg bomb is a general nomenclature used for weight category.

I would assume relative weight of stabilization and control systems to be on the lower side vs volume of space possibly and drdo bombs look more refined than the Russian bombs with smart kits. I wonder if they are more expensive similar to western bombs using more refined metals vs cheap iron?

 

[Tiwariji]

Some college students have designed a micro turbojet engine . Mach 2 , range 1000km

These Bengaluru boys just designed a 'small' turbo-jet engine. Next up? They want to test it on a rocket!

Meet the young students of Nitte Meenakshi Institute of Technology whose micro turbo-jet engine may just aid the Air Force someday. Vineeth Kumar, Apoorv Gupta,

m.edexlive.com

 

[thebakofbakchod]

Some college students have designed a micro turbojet engine . Mach 2 , range 1000km

These Bengaluru boys just designed a 'small' turbo-jet engine. Next up? They want to test it on a rocket!

Meet the young students of Nitte Meenakshi Institute of Technology whose micro turbo-jet engine may just aid the Air Force someday. Vineeth Kumar, Apoorv Gupta,

m.edexlive.com

Thats 4 years ago. Whats the update? sounds another one of those hopium news articles that leads to nothing

 

[Tiwariji]

Thats 4 years ago. Whats the update? sounds another one of those hopium news articles that leads to nothing

Tweet is new . Dont know why they picked it up now . Was on my tweeter feed .

 

[Fatalis]

Akash NG system

 

[Johny_Baba]

How would having a license produced plane be helpful, we still pay the money and simply IAF never had a clear minded plan about mig 21s replacement....its evident with Tejas now. If there is a sense of urgency then we would put everyone's ass on fire....it simply comes down to having a western and russian lobby gangs that bribe our gawar politicians. As long as they get a deal both sides are happy and Indians will have adhoc airforce with no sense of consolidation at any level.

I can't remember how many TOT's we had over time in so many different areas and we stil import shit in those categories to this day.

well something's better than nothing, 'specially when large portion of your air force is consisted of Soviet-Russian Migs like -21, -23, -27

BTW Indian Air Force initially wasn't even in favour of inducting Mirage-2000, no joke
When porkies got their F-16 A/B IAF asked for equally potent fighter jet that could rival PAF's american jets; Dassault came and offered Mirage-2000 but instead of proposing its ability as a fighter they did wrong kind of marketing here by presenting it as a ;strike aircraft-cum-fighter; and IAF was already newly inducting those Jaguars back then when it was offered so they thought why bother with another strike aircraft.
Finally Mirage-2000 was done as a Government-2-Government deal with MoD (led by then Govt) mostly sidelining whatever IAF wanted to say - but goddamn we got duped by this deal in a way that Dassault didn't cover weapons in the deal citing how missiles and bombs for Mirage-2000 are made by a different company and indian govt would have to deal with them separately for that. BUT JUST 5-6 MONTHS BEFORE INDIAN GOVT SIGNING THAT DEAL THEY SOLD SIMILAR AMOUNT OF MIRAGE-2000 TO GREECE AND IN THAT DEAL WEAPONS WERE COVERED; ALL THESE FOR LESSER PRICE THAN WHAT WE HAD TO PAY!

Nevertheless IAF did receive those Mirage-2000 here and started working on its induction (by building air conditioned shelters that were not so required for other russian jets they were used to operate etc, since this ;sophisticated; Mirage-2000 came with quite a lot of computerised stuff in it and required proper cooling for proper functioning of the jet), around same time LTTE matter was also picking up heat...
and there was some moment where IAF was ordered to escort-protect a certain cargo plane to Sri Lanka but in name of weapons it had nothing on its pylon; just a set of two 30mm DEFA cannons! - simply because even after induction Govt wasn't able to get those weapons delivered for them - which is said to have arrived here in 1989.

so since its induction here in 1985 to 1989 (and even add some more years for laser guided bombs and stuff-which suffered problem of US Embargo) we couldn't effectively use those Mirage-2000 here; it could've affected us a lot in case another war had happened with dem porkies.

So anyway, those were the kind of era when Mirage-2000 despite being a potent fighter jet and so-was just not working out as expected-intended for us due to these sort of realities; and probably it played a big role in IAF as well as the Govt rejecting French offer for Assembly Line of Mirage-2000 here

 

[Fatalis]

well something's better than nothing, 'specially when large portion of your air force is consisted of Soviet-Russian Migs like -21, -23, -27

BTW Indian Air Force initially wasn't even in favour of inducting Mirage-2000, no joke
When porkies got their F-16 A/B IAF asked for equally potent fighter jet that could rival PAF's american jets; Dassault came and offered Mirage-2000 but instead of proposing its ability as a fighter they did wrong kind of marketing here by presenting it as a ;strike aircraft-cum-fighter; and IAF was already newly inducting those Jaguars back then when it was offered so they thought why bother with another strike aircraft.
Finally Mirage-2000 was done as a Government-2-Government deal with MoD (led by then Govt) mostly sidelining whatever IAF wanted to say - but goddamn we got duped by this deal in a way that Dassault didn't cover weapons in the deal citing how missiles and bombs for Mirage-2000 are made by a different company and indian govt would have to deal with them separately for that. BUT JUST 5-6 MONTHS BEFORE INDIAN GOVT SIGNING THAT DEAL THEY SOLD SIMILAR AMOUNT OF MIRAGE-2000 TO GREECE AND IN THAT DEAL WEAPONS WERE COVERED; ALL THESE FOR LESSER PRICE THAN WHAT WE HAD TO PAY!

Nevertheless IAF did receive those Mirage-2000 here and started working on its induction (by building air conditioned shelters that were not so required for other russian jets they were used to operate etc, since this ;sophisticated; Mirage-2000 came with quite a lot of computerised stuff in it and required proper cooling for proper functioning of the jet), around same time LTTE matter was also picking up heat...
and there was some moment where IAF was ordered to escort-protect a certain cargo plane to Sri Lanka but in name of weapons it had nothing on its pylon; just a set of two 30mm DEFA cannons! - simply because even after induction Govt wasn't able to get those weapons delivered for them - which is said to have arrived here in 1989.

so since its induction here in 1985 to 1989 (and even add some more years for laser guided bombs and stuff-which suffered problem of US Embargo) we couldn't effectively use those Mirage-2000 here; it could've affected us a lot in case another war had happened with dem porkies.

So anyway, those were the kind of era when Mirage-2000 despite being a potent fighter jet and so-was just not working out as expected-intended for us due to these sort of realities; and probably it played a big role in IAF as well as the Govt rejecting French offer for Assembly Line of Mirage-2000 here

Woah, first time reading all this.

What else we could have got if not Mirage-2000 for going against the F-16? I don't think there were anymore options.

 

[Bhaubai]

Namica is here

 

[omaebakabaka]

well something's better than nothing, 'specially when large portion of your air force is consisted of Soviet-Russian Migs like -21, -23, -27

BTW Indian Air Force initially wasn't even in favour of inducting Mirage-2000, no joke
When porkies got their F-16 A/B IAF asked for equally potent fighter jet that could rival PAF's american jets; Dassault came and offered Mirage-2000 but instead of proposing its ability as a fighter they did wrong kind of marketing here by presenting it as a ;strike aircraft-cum-fighter; and IAF was already newly inducting those Jaguars back then when it was offered so they thought why bother with another strike aircraft.
Finally Mirage-2000 was done as a Government-2-Government deal with MoD (led by then Govt) mostly sidelining whatever IAF wanted to say - but goddamn we got duped by this deal in a way that Dassault didn't cover weapons in the deal citing how missiles and bombs for Mirage-2000 are made by a different company and indian govt would have to deal with them separately for that. BUT JUST 5-6 MONTHS BEFORE INDIAN GOVT SIGNING THAT DEAL THEY SOLD SIMILAR AMOUNT OF MIRAGE-2000 TO GREECE AND IN THAT DEAL WEAPONS WERE COVERED; ALL THESE FOR LESSER PRICE THAN WHAT WE HAD TO PAY!

Nevertheless IAF did receive those Mirage-2000 here and started working on its induction (by building air conditioned shelters that were not so required for other russian jets they were used to operate etc, since this ;sophisticated; Mirage-2000 came with quite a lot of computerised stuff in it and required proper cooling for proper functioning of the jet), around same time LTTE matter was also picking up heat...
and there was some moment where IAF was ordered to escort-protect a certain cargo plane to Sri Lanka but in name of weapons it had nothing on its pylon; just a set of two 30mm DEFA cannons! - simply because even after induction Govt wasn't able to get those weapons delivered for them - which is said to have arrived here in 1989.

so since its induction here in 1985 to 1989 (and even add some more years for laser guided bombs and stuff-which suffered problem of US Embargo) we couldn't effectively use those Mirage-2000 here; it could've affected us a lot in case another war had happened with dem porkies.

So anyway, those were the kind of era when Mirage-2000 despite being a potent fighter jet and so-was just not working out as expected-intended for us due to these sort of realities; and probably it played a big role in IAF as well as the Govt rejecting French offer for Assembly Line of Mirage-2000 here

This is typically the case and has been since we got the options to pick from either sides during cold war....most messed up branch out of three is IAF. THey never get anything right and in time. Lot of losers in the upper management Same traditon continues with Rafale too...ideally we should standardize on MKI, Rafale and Tejas for next 2 decades as far as heavy, medium and light goes pending amca replacement for mki and rafale down the line. But it has to be confusing and opaque. Even Egypt does a bit better than us.

In real life also, I found the army people to be most sane and IAF to be most idiotic, pompous and cuckolded in mindset and navy is generally ok....officer level cadre only as airmen, sailors and jawans are all excellent and warm to interact with.

 

[Johny_Baba]

Woah, first time reading all this.

What else we could have got if not Mirage-2000 for going against the F-16? I don't think there were anymore options.

Mig-29 ?
That is how soviets-russians presented it to us, ;F-16 Killer; and Govt and IAF after tasting Dassault's bakchodi decided to drop further orders of Mirage-2000 (originally they decided for batched orders upto 150, starting with 36...doesn't it all sounds so so similar to MMRCA and Rafale Deal lool) and gave Mig-29 a chance

In fact, two months ago i went to a friend's place, who was like my counterpart in being interested in defense matters
he showed me lots of newspaper article cuttings-snippets related to defense, nothing much interesting in it same usual stuff that we see here
BUT there was one very particular cutting from 1995 era in it, it was a certain article on Mig-29 in Gujarati by some now defunct newspaper
and boy oh boy the kind of superlative wordings they used in that cutting, literally writing inside that "MIG-29 IS THE BEST FIGHTER JET IN EXISTENCE" I AM SERIOUS!
if some ragtag gujju newspaper article could be this boasting about Mig-29 then imagine the kind of things that were promised to Govt and IAF by Soviets-Russians...

 

[omaebakabaka]

Mig-29 ?
That is how soviets-russians presented it to us, ;F-16 Killer; and Govt and IAF after tasting Dassault's bakchodi decided to drop further orders of Mirage-2000 (originally they decided for batched orders upto 150, starting with 36...doesn't it all sounds so so similar to MMRCA and Rafale Deal lool) and gave Mig-29 a chance

It is more than mirage or 29 or f-16 or what not....if we choose a platform then we should see some strategy behind it.....21s reflected that and same with mki (decent numbers built or bought).....29s, jags, mirages are failed strategies. Rafael also in the same bucket. Now it has spread to helis and other parts of IAF. Kichidi of everything....what a joke

 

[Johny_Baba]

It is more than mirage or 29 or f-16 or what not....if we choose a platform then we should see some strategy behind it.....21s reflected that and same with mki (decent numbers built or bought).....29s, jags, mirages are failed strategies. Rafael also in the same bucket. Now it has spread to helis and other parts of IAF. Kichidi of everything....what a joke

I understand it all bhai, i am just saying what i have read-heard about it in certain place; besides keeping the kind of turbulent geopolitical-economical scenario we were in during 80s and so i believe both IAF and Govts,they did everything they coud possibly do.
In 90s we got offers of tonnes of ex-soviet maal for literally chillars by then broke russians like nuclear subs and aircraft carriers and even their space shuttle Buran - but we were even more economically affected to being able to afford it all
it's just curse of nehruvian socialism that's giving all these gifts even after all these years...

 

[mist_consecutive]

In real life also, I found the army people to be most sane and IAF to be most idiotic, pompous and cuckolded in mindset and navy is generally ok....officer level cadre only as airmen, sailors and jawans are all excellent and warm to interact with.

I take great offense in this. Explain yourself.

 

[omaebakabaka]

I understand it all bhai, i am just saying what i have read-heard about it in certain place; besides keeping the kind of turbulent geopolitical-economical scenario we were in during 80s and so i believe both IAF and Govts,they did everything they coud possibly do.
In 90s we got offers of tonnes of ex-soviet maal for literally chillars by then broke russians like nuclear subs and aircraft carriers and even their space shuttle Buran - but we were even more economically affected to being able to afford it all
it's just curse of nehruvian socialism that's giving all these gifts even after all these years...

Thats why saying goes prepare for war in peace. Build while you can when the times are good. I don't believe our politicians are capable and full of intent to play high risk or any decisive strategies. India's position is one leg on one boat and another on another boat. Nehru's socialism is 2nd class at best as far as USSR is concerned due to non aligned status and not being part of warsaw pact. One can't ask for more political stability when congress had terms of full majority across federal and state levels. Anyway, it is what it is....only bright spot is Tejas line inspite of all delays for IAF and India. Simply imports of anything is a disaster down the line for our capabilities and we never seem to have any money to acquire something tactfully and in numbers.

PRobably should go IAF thread?

 

[omaebakabaka]

I take great offense in this. Explain yourself.

I was more disappointed with their attitudes at a personal level and mindset, simply did not feel the affinity the way I felt with army officers (medical, engineering and regiments). I have cousins in service and I did get to interact with few at some gatherings, tours and so on.....I can't question their patriotism as they are in service and I am not and there is no reason for me to do that but their mindset did not impress me from routine topics to more significant ones. One other aspect, lot of them are physically too weak if you ask me....navy too. Some of the officers even in AMC can kick ass....just too much difference in physique that I noticed ofcourse that is not the basis for my comments....do not attach any stat significance to it.

 

[ShukantC]

Namica is here
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Is it reloadable if yes then how and where does it carry the reloads, in the carrier or a separate vehicle???

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Is it reloadable if yes then how and where does it carry the reloads, in the carrier or a separate vehicle???

6 in tubes, 6 stored in the same vehicle. But afaik troops have to get out and manually reload.