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[Marliii]

TBH I don't think so that we should invest in R&D of CIWS types systems too much, these type of technologies are not the most important.

At the very most, we should just import a design and build the system in India under transfer of technology. We already do this with AK-603, we build AK-603s in India itself with more than 95 percent Indigenisation. If IN is still interested in the R&D of an "Indigenous" CIWS then they can do so.

Nonetheless I am of the opinion that we should allocate all our funds & resources in more important projects like nuclear Submarines, Fighter Jets (AMCA, Tejas MK-2, TEDBF etc), missile programs (Astra, Agni, BMD etc) etc.

You know CIWS is the last defence for any warship,airbase against missiles if all else fail?every fucking thing is important from trucks that do the logistics to nuclear submarine all are important

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

TBH I don't think so that we should invest in R&D of CIWS types systems too much, these type of technologies are not the most important.

At the very most, we should just import a design and build the system in India under transfer of technology. We already do this with AK-603, we build AK-603s in India itself with more than 95 percent Indigenisation. If IN is still interested in the R&D of an "Indigenous" CIWS then they can do so.

Nonetheless I am of the opinion that we should allocate all our funds & resources in more important projects like nuclear Submarines, Fighter Jets (AMCA, Tejas MK-2, TEDBF etc), missile programs (Astra, Agni, BMD etc) etc.

1. We are upgrading CIWS to a missile-cannon system from a cannon-only, so better to do it on our own instead of importing and then waiting two decades for (in)complete ToT.
2. Moreover, we need CIWS-type system to act as our C-RAM system on land, which will be the backbone of our Anti-drone defences, which are pretty damn important.
3. Moreover, DRDO MPDMS is already happening no matter what, so leverage it, reuse it for the CIWS and that is killing two birds with one funding stone. And that funding isn't much. For capital intensive projects like aero-engines, such funding is peanuts.
4. Not to mention the export potential these things unlock because otherwise x country can't buy equipment containing subsystems from y country and so if we don't go for 100% indigenization, Indian weapons won't sell aboard and thus won't bring us money, jobs and diplomatic clout we need.

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So it makes perfect sense to spend on indigenous CIWS.

 

[Super Flanker]

You know CIWS is the last defence for any warship,airbase against missiles if all else fail?every fucking thing is important from trucks that do the logistics to nuclear submarine all are important

Did I say that we should not have CIWS on our warships? My emphasis was more on projects like nuclear Submarines, aircrafts, missile etc. CIWS is indeed a very crucial thing for a warship as you quoted that it is the last defence for any warship, military base etc, what I am saying is that there are other more important things (which I have already mentioned). Yes everything is important but sometimes some things are more important than others and they should be given higher priority.

1. We are upgrading CIWS to a missile-cannon system from a cannon-only, so better to do it on our own instead of importing and then waiting two decades for (in)complete ToT.
2. Moreover, we need CIWS-type system to act as our C-RAM system on land, which will be the backbone of our Anti-drone defences, which are pretty damn important.
3. Moreover, DRDO MPDMS is already happening no matter what, so leverage it, reuse it for the CIWS and that is killing two birds with one funding stone. And that funding isn't much. For capital intensive projects like aero-engines, such funding is peanuts.
4. Not to mention the export potential these things unlock because otherwise x country can't buy equipment containing subsystems from y country and so if we don't go for 100% indigenization, Indian weapons won't sell aboard and thus won't bring us money, jobs and diplomatic clout we need.

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So it makes perfect sense to spend on indigenous CIWS.

I guess this will apply to ejection seats as well? We need to initiate our own program for ejection seats too.

I agree with what you have written but I will stand by my point of view that Higher priority should be given for programs involving things like missiles, warships, fighter aircrafts etc.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Did I say that we should not have CIWS on our warships? My emphasis was more on projects like nuclear Submarines, aircrafts, missile etc. CIWS is indeed a very crucial thing for a warship as you quoted that it is the last defence for any warship, military base etc, what I am saying is that there are other more important things (which I have already mentioned). Yes everything is important but sometimes some things are more important than others and they should be given higher priority.

I guess this will apply to ejection seats as well? We need to initiate our own program for ejection seats too.

I agree with what you have written but I will stand by my point of view that Higher priority should be given for programs involving things like missiles, warships, fighter aircrafts etc.

CIWS and ejection seats are very different from each other though. Ejection seats have a high learning curve and are a niche technology. CIWS is technologically a lower hanging fruit and, like I mentioned, will be used also in C-RAM and MANPADS. And will be produced in the thousands and given the drone hysteria, can also be sold abroad as potent anti-drone system to even countries without large military budgets.
Agree with your larger point that higher priority should be given to strategic systems. But that has already been happening. Cases where it doesn't happen (transport aircraft, aero-engines, fabs and photolithography, etc), the capital investment is too damn high.Otherwise all strategic projects are funded.

 

[Anibesh acharya]

Does someone have any info(plans or any intention) on an indigenous rotary canon type CIWS in development by DRDO or are we satisfied with the AK-630s?
I have always wondered why we don't already have an indigenous CIWS like the Phalanx, alternatively we would have the freedom to convert it at will as a 'counter artillery, mortar or rocket' weapon system and probably use it on the LOC to frustrate Pakis.
Consecutively, if we already had an indigenous CIWS, we could increase the number of barrels like the Chinese did with the Type 730(7 Barrels)or have a dual gun system like the Kashtan or the AK-630-M2.

US Phalanx C-RAM for counter artillery, mortar or rocket.

The monstrous AK-630M-2 DUET

There are some options available with local and foreign collaboration

 

[Chimpoo]

WTH

What are they mourning?

edit: never mind. just googled

 

[Lonewolf]

There are some options available with local and foreign collaboration

Nothing in comparison to phalanx

 

[Lonewolf]

Could be Agni 1p or hstdv

 

[ezsasa]

WTH

So it did get launched today..
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3rd Stealth Frigate of Project 17 A (TARAGIRI) launched at @MazagonDockLtd
. Built using Integrated construction methodology involving hull blocks construction in different geographical locations & integration/erection on Slipway

 

[dfcool]

So it did get launched today..
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3rd Stealth Frigate of Project 17 A (TARAGIRI) launched at @MazagonDockLtd
. Built using Integrated construction methodology involving hull blocks construction in different geographical locations & integration/erection on Slipway

Yes it was launched, BUT no celebrations, no photo-ops, no livestream.

My friend who was there sent shared video, I thought frigates are small but its freaking big

for comparison
ins visakhapatnam tonnage - 7,400
ins TARAGIRI firgate tonnage - 6,670 (just 10% less than a destroyer)

 

[Lonewolf]

Yes it was launched, BUT no celebrations, no photo-ops, no livestream.

My friend who was there sent shared video, I thought frigates are small but its freaking big

for comparison
ins visakhapatnam tonnage - 7,400
ins TARAGIRI firgate tonnage - 6,670 (just 10% less than a destroyer)

Did he asked about commissioning?

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Yes it was launched, BUT no celebrations, no photo-ops, no livestream.

My friend who was there sent shared video, I thought frigates are small but its freaking big

for comparison
ins visakhapatnam tonnage - 7,400
ins TARAGIRI firgate tonnage - 6,670 (just 10% less than a destroyer)

Thats why we are coming up with 13000 tons destroyer...

 

[ShukantC]

So it did get launched today..
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3rd Stealth Frigate of Project 17 A (TARAGIRI) launched at @MazagonDockLtd
. Built using Integrated construction methodology involving hull blocks construction in different geographical locations & integration/erection on Slipway

By the way with all the integrated / modular construction what has been the improvement in the construction timelines(from laying down to commissioning) can anyone answer?????

 

[dfcool]

Did he asked about commissioning?

here are commissioning dates and good overall info

INS Taragiri Stealth Frigates: All you need to know about India's fifth stealth frigate | India News - Times of India

India News: 'Taragiri', the fifth stealth guided-missile frigate built under the Indian Navy's Project 17A, was launched in Mumbai on Sunday. Under the Rs 50,000-

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

So it did get launched today..
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3rd Stealth Frigate of Project 17 A (TARAGIRI) launched at @MazagonDockLtd
. Built using Integrated construction methodology involving hull blocks construction in different geographical locations & integration/erection on Slipway

looks like this is 5th stealth frigate, we already launched 4 previously, 7 frigates in total

our navy veterans are out of touch these days

CURTAIN RAISER LAUNCH OF YD 12653 (TARAGIRI)

Taragiri, a Project 17A Frigate will be launched at Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited, Mumbai on 11

pib.gov.in

 

[Lonewolf]

here are commissioning dates and good overall info

INS Taragiri Stealth Frigates: All you need to know about India's fifth stealth frigate | India News - Times of India

India News: 'Taragiri', the fifth stealth guided-missile frigate built under the Indian Navy's Project 17A, was launched in Mumbai on Sunday. Under the Rs 50,000-

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

looks like this is 5th stealth frigate, we already launched 4 previously, 7 frigates in total

our navy veterans are out of touch these days

CURTAIN RAISER LAUNCH OF YD 12653 (TARAGIRI)

Taragiri, a Project 17A Frigate will be launched at Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited, Mumbai on 11

pib.gov.in

3rd of MDL

 

[Raj Malhotra]

CIWS tender seems tailor made for a specific Co

 

[AnantS]

Russian India MTA that was supposed to enter production and replace India's aging Russian fleet by 2015-20.


It has been 8 years with no real progress in this particular front. Seems like the preliminary designs were already completed.IMO we were the development/production partners so we must have access to those designs.

We should have worked on our own MTA rather than reinventing the wheel with Saras Mk2.

After wasting more than decade we withdrew from mta prog some time back.

 

[flanker99]

Defence companies to fly high as MoD okays emergency buys sans imports

Last month, MoD gave approvals that will help the three armed forces quickly procure weapons and equipment up to ₹300 crore per order, with deliveries to be ensured within a year.

m.economictimes.com

 

[Srinie]

Defence companies to fly high as MoD okays emergency buys sans imports

Last month, MoD gave approvals that will help the three armed forces quickly procure weapons and equipment up to ₹300 crore per order, with deliveries to be ensured within a year.

m.economictimes.com

Expect more randi rona and hitjobs from lobby

 

[Anibesh acharya]

Defence companies to fly high as MoD okays emergency buys sans imports

Last month, MoD gave approvals that will help the three armed forces quickly procure weapons and equipment up to ₹300 crore per order, with deliveries to be ensured within a year.

m.economictimes.com

Encouraging reports from article

250km missile caught my eye . Along with that it mentions about loitering munitions , swarm drone ,
new generation mines , 150km guided pinaka, drone based mine detection and neutralization etc .