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[rone]

BTW, do you have any resource that details how EW-CNA works? I mean the enemy is basically receiving your ECM as a signal on its radar, right? How do you get past all the signal processing circuitry and transmit a malacious code into the software of the IADS itself? At most the radar will provide speed, bearing, distance and radar signature of the target, right? And no matter what you do with your ECM signal, any info you transmit will end up as these parameters to the radar, right? So how can it make the jump from being a blob on the radar screen into actually affecting the IADS software itself?

Assume like this instead of poison a radar return you can poison a wireless link they operate once you can join this network or hijack it you can discover all systems connected on it by the current progress in commercial technology most of military computers still use commercial based operating system even they are hardened to military standards these military computers still run commercial OS so exploiting remote vulnerability ( 0 day) any attack vector can propagate through network and found end goal as normal cyber attack,
In another scenario consider a network with no wireless data communications network and communications done by military garde optical fiber network, in this case direct wireless attack won't work but the sensor systems like radar with IFF can be exploited ( my pure imagination for theory crafting) IFF return with poisoned response received at IFF sensor which will my cause input data overflow ( buffer overflow) which trigger an code execution on IFF side and what ever output will be send back in IFF probe request so effectively you can build a communications through IFF sensor ( this is just a imagination to explain a possibility of CNA on non wireless network) i choose IFF because rather than rdar it is the only sensor system request and receive a digital data stream,

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Assume like this instead of poison a radar return you can poison a wireless link they operate once you can join this network or hijack it you can discover all systems connected on it by the current progress in commercial technology most of military computers still use commercial based operating system even they are hardened to military standards these military computers still run commercial OS so exploiting remote vulnerability ( 0 day) any attack vector can propagate through network and found end goal as normal cyber attack,
In another scenario consider a network with no wireless data communications network and communications done by military garde optical fiber network I this case direct wireless atta k won't work but the sensor systems like radar with IFF can be exploited ( my pure imagination for theory crafting) IFF return with poisoned response received at IFF sensor which will my cause input data overflow ( buffer overflow) which trigger an code execution on IFF side and what ever output will be send back in IFF probe request so effectively you can build a communications through IFF sensor ( this is just a imagination to explain a possibility of CNA on non wireless network) i choose IFF because rather than rdar it is the only sensor system request and receive a digital data stream,

But compromising IFF seems ever more difficult, because if you can compromise IFF, you can spoof it right? And if you can spoof the IFF, you can potentially do more damage to the enemy by causing blue-on-blue and even getting past their AD masquerading as the enemy.
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Also, wireless comms. based on SDRs have their own proprietary waveforms, right? Is it possible to mimic those waveforms without the same hardware?

 

[rone]

But compromising IFF seems ever more difficult, because if you can compromise IFF, you can spoof it right? And if you can spoof the IFF, you can potentially do more damage to the enemy by causing blue-on-blue and even getting past their AD masquerading as the enemy.
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Also, wireless comms. based on SDRs have their own proprietary waveforms, right? Is it possible to mimic those waveforms without the same hardware?

As I said earlier most of the intrusion part comes under tactical signal intelligence using spys or orther means, you may can obtain secure access codes to these networks but all these things how can they do it still be a technology in progress,

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

So I had a question I know our missile program nowdays is good but did we have any missile in early wars we fought and did we use them if we had em?

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Fuel loaded missiles even without warheads are never transported in open

So fuelled missiles with warheads being transported in open is totally out of question

No one doubts it ..so who knows.

 

[ezsasa]

So I had a question I know our missile program nowdays is good but did we have any missile in early wars we fought and did we use them if we had em?

Good question, anyone want to take this up?
what kind of surface to surface missiles did we have in the inventory pre-IGMDP?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

So I had a question I know our missile program nowdays is good but did we have any missile in early wars we fought and did we use them if we had em?

Project Devil - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Project Valiant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Dark Sorrow]

So I had a question I know our missile program nowdays is good but did we have any missile in early wars we fought and did we use them if we had em?

In 1965 and 1971 we didn't have much in missiles.
We did use Grad BM-21 rockets.
We did use P-15 Termit.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Project Devil - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Project Valiant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So they both didn't really came to reality?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

In 1965 and 1971 we didn't have much in missiles.
We did use Grad BM-21 rockets.
We did use P-15 Termit.

I see thank you and do we have hamars equivalent in our arsenal or anything in developement?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

So they both didn't really came to reality?

Project Valiant and Project Devil discontinued in 1974 and 1980 respectively without achieving full success, Project Devil led to the later development of the Prithvi missile in the 1980s.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

I see thank you and do we have hamars equivalent in our arsenal or anything in developement?

We have Guided Pinaka and Pinaka Mk-II ER.
We also have BM-30 Smerch.
We also have ERR 122 based on BM-21 technology as high mobility MRLS.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

We have Guided Pinaka and Pinaka Mk-II ER.
We also have BM-30 Smerch.
We also have ERR 122 based on BM-21 technology as high mobility MRLS.

Thank you pinaka is made by drdo right not imported?

 

[ezsasa]

Thank you pinaka is made by drdo right not imported?

incase this helps.

Indian MBRLS Pinaka Thread

India Develops a Cheaper MLRS February 18, 2008: After 25 years of development, the Indian army has begun receiving locally produced Pinaka self-propelled multiple rocket systems. These 12 barrel weapons fire 214mm rockets from tubes mounted on a truck. Maximum range is 40 kilometers. Pinaka...

defenceforumindia.com

 

[Chinmoy]

WTF?
All these following trucks have the same chassis and different superstructure. That is the entire bloody point:-

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^None of this requires "rework the whole chassis design to support a new cabin, that too armored one and a genset cabin to go with. Adding a genset cabinet means that it would be hauling something massive in tractor which again would mean strengthening the chassis and designing it a new." as you claim. The chassis is already capable of handling all configurations, even the one with hauling. For mounting a genset, it already includes a PTO where you can simply connect the alternator to.

Now take a look at this:-

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Take a look at that genset cabin. Its simply mounted on the chassis frame. No modification to the chassis required.


Its not a new truck. Its an old truck with a new cab that although is armoured, doesn't exceed the axle load capacity of the original. Or they wouldn't be using the exact same engine (refer pic of BEML modification, its the same engine as used in the pics above it).
Even the gradability of the new truck is mentioned as 25 degrees, same as Tatra 815. No other specs available but whenever they come out, match them with the specs of Tatra 815 and they'll be the SAME. Not similar, SAME.


Most likely the armouring part, I think? And its a Tatra 815, so its AWD.

Yes. Each of the chassis is different. We are using TATRA HMD for Troop movement and Pinaka as well as Sarvatra. But have you ever wondered why the TATRA based MGS has not even been test fired? Why the TATA and Denel MGS failed?

Here are some of the T815-7 chassis for you which has been advertised as having Universal chassis. You could compare the chassis for your own.

Now comes the armored cabin variant as same as ours.

Now you could see that chassis which has been advertised as Universal is different in each and every truck. Along with chassis, suspension would also change with change in weight. Weight of an armored cabin would obviously be higher then a non armored one. So according to that, you have to redesign the chassis. Yes, you could say that the chassis has been designed for armored cabin and so could support a non armored cabin. But then again in case of a non armored cabin design on such a chassis would have its own weight penalty. So from designer point of view, not an ideal solution.

As far as the genset cabin in BEML truck is concerned, its a part of the chassis instead of an addon. You might have also got the point why most of the indigenous items don't get much support from user end. Jugaad is ok upto an extent. But mounting a howitzer on a troop carrier is on another level.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Thank you pinaka is made by drdo right not imported?

Pinaka is developed in a joint effort by several DRDO labs.
Pinaka system is manufactured in a joint effort by TATA, L&T, YIL, etc.
Pinaka is 60% to 90% made from indigenous sub-assemblies.
We mainly imported INS, GPS Guidance Kits and TCS . Will have to check what all has been indigenized by 2022.

 

[Vamsi]

 

[Chinmoy]

Maybe it was fired in littorals, lost power and sunk to the continental shelf instead of the seabed. Stormy waters might have washed it ashore after. Doesn't look like it got crushed at all.

Its somewhat like the DRDO Sheyna LWT:-

Its written LWT-XP D&P on the torpedo and similarly TAL-XP is written in a Department of Defence Production document. TAL is Torpedo Advanced Light, which is Sheyna. Don't know what the XP means though. Nor what D&P means either.

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XP- Experimental
D&P - DC powered Electric propulsion.

 

[johnj]

In 1965 and 1971 we didn't have much in missiles.
We did use Grad BM-21 rockets.
We did use P-15 Termit.

Used Pinaka in Kargil War.

 

[johnj]

So I had a question I know our missile program nowdays is good but did we have any missile in early wars we fought and did we use them if we had em?

Pinaka in Kargil War.