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use of artificial intelligence (AI) to improve the aim of munition carried by small drones . 3D printing of munition in Ukraine war .

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DRDO is also working on similar stuff (AI for target recognition). Although I remember they were doing it for IIR, not sure if it was for TV.
Wonder if this will work against the MCS camouflage and multispectral camoflage paint that DRDO has developed for Indian tanks.

T-90 wearing DRDO MCS:-



IIR image of tank without and with DRDO multispectral camo paint:-

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^Now imagine what even a rudimentary CRAM system will do to this drone if it tries first blind shot and then corrected shot shenannigans in its area. Tanks will eventually evolve to tackle these threats nicely. And CRAM and EW systems will have to be deployed to tackle swarms of such drones. Still difficult in an urban environment though.
 

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AMP Multi Function Radar System 102

IMO India's Next Generation Weapon Locating Radar
AFAIK it is a collaboration between AMP & DRDO
It is a Multi Function S-band Active Electronic Scanning Pulsed Phased Array Tracking Radar
Detection range ~ 80km for a target of RCS 0.03Sqm

But it being mounted on a trailer and in Air Force colours makes me think its not a WLR. WLR would need to be a lot more mobile, this looks like something you'd put on an Air Force base.
 

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EW (Electronic Warfare) System from AMP

Don't have any info other than its a new system & if i were to hazard a guess its geared towards EA/ECM

Atleast 6 antennas are visible to me, that's quite high density packaging of antennas on a single host system

It's based on a trailer

 

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EW (Electronic Warfare) System from AMP

Don't have any info other than its a new system & if i were to hazard a guess its geared towards EA/ECM

Atleast 6 antennas are visible to me, that's quite high density packaging of antennas on a single host system

It's based on a trailer

Any news of DRDO working on an AESA ground-based EW system?
Also, is there any DRDO project on Cyberattack through ECM? Americans are building such a functionality in their next gen jammer for their fighters.
 

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Any news of DRDO working on an AESA ground-based EW system?
Also, is there any DRDO project on Cyberattack through ECM? Americans are building such a functionality in their next gen jammer for their fighters.
Wat? Cyber attack or cyber warfare? For example an advanced ECM pod can do cyber warfare which means denying enemy advanced communication even if it is based on software defined networks ( data links), intercepting sat-com ground link communication, hijacking autonomous system controls etc even though these kind of ability comes under tactical signal intelligence but on future real time data orinated battle filed it is a game changer, about cyber attacks it is a systemic degradation or disruption of a nations cyber infrastructure, any known ECM pod can't do this kind of task, this one mostly done by high volume coordinated attack on different cyber infrastructures supported by a nations cyber command.
 

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Wat? Cyber attack or cyber warfare? For example an advanced ECM pod can do cyber warfare which means denying enemy advanced communication even if it based on software defined networks ( data links), intercepting sat-com ground link communication, hijacking autonomous system controls etc even though these kind of ability comes under tactical signal intelligence but on future real time data orinated battle filed it is a game changer, about cyber attacks it is a systemic degradation or disruption of a nations cyber infrastructure, any known ECM pod can't do this kind of task, this one mostly done by high volume coordinated attack on different cyber infrastructure supported by a nations cyber command.
I know what I wrote. And even I don't understand how it works. Which is why I was curious about it. But its true, Americans are building a jamming pod with cyber attack capability.

EDIT: And just to avoid future confusion, I am NOT talking about the doctrinal concepts such as Cyber ElectroMagnetic Activities (CEMA) used by American forces or a similar doctrine employed by the Chinese PLA. I am talking about actual Cyber Attack through ECM.


EDIT 2: My previous post on this issue:-

Reading this US military Doctrine document on Electronic Warfare (EW): https://irp.fas.org/doddir/dod/jp3-13-1.pdf
Made me realize that Defence Cyber Agency should be converted to Defence Cyber and Electronic Warfare Agency, and then upgraded to a Defence Cyber and Electronic Warfare Command. The three services need to coordinate their EW effort, instead of Army doing EW through Samyukta and Air Force doing its own EW for SEAD/DEAD, etc through jammers and dedicated SIGINT aircraft, its better to coordinate the effort across the board.

But more important than that, its very important to exploit the synergy between Electronic Warfare and Cyberwarfare. For example, a Cyber attack can force an enemy to rely on wireless network, which in turn is vulnerable to EW. Another major example is this: EW-delivered computer network attack (CNA)
Under EW-delivered CNA, USAF plans to use its Next-Generation Jammer pod to inject malacious code into an Air Defence network similar to Indian Air Force's IACCS. I've never heard any Indian agency even mention such a capability. A third example is the use of EW weapons such as HPM devices and EMP bombs to electronically target enemy computer servers.

We are lagging behind in RMA unless we make a similar doctrinal transition. The Chinese already look at EW and cyberwarfare as two things meant to be performed in unison.
 
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I know what I wrote. And even I don't understand how it works. Which is why I was curious about it. But its true, Americans are building a jamming pod with cyber attack capability.
Cyber attacks by ECM pod very hard to pull off, for example group of 12 or 24 advanced f35 or f18 try to do cyber attack on another nations centralized military communications grid ( consider China) which in reality spread all over China and have different redundancy nodes so if 12 or 24 Specailzied ew fighter try to disrupt this network it will only effective for a small region, still major part of network function intact, considering other failsafe systems like optical fiber based network etc cyber attacks by ECM pod look like a very futuristic concept

Edit: I noticed your second part now, CNA attack vector was considered from the time of operation Olympic Games ( stuxnet) that is next advancement of EW currtly only development in USA,
 
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Cyber attacks by ECM pod very hard to pull off, for example group of 12 or 24 advanced f35 or f18 try to do cyber attack on another nations centralized military communications grid ( consider China) which in reality spread all over China and have different redundancy nodes so if 12 or 24 Specailzied ew fighter try to disrupt this network it will only effective for a small region, still major part of network function intact, considering other failsafe systems like optical fiber based network etc cyber attacks by ECM pod look like a very futuristic concept,
I agree that its a very futuristic concept.
The enemy military OFC communication nodes and network being physically spread out across a large geographical area shouldn't make much of a difference if one considers that its Cyberwarfare, right? Geographical distance doesn't matter much in cyberspace, does it?
I am talking in terms of how cyberattacks go on the internet. They infect computers across the globe in many cases, right? Like wannacry. I'll admit I am noob when it comes to cyber stuff though.
 

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I agree that its a very futuristic concept.
The enemy military OFC communication nodes and network being physically spread out across a large geographical area shouldn't make much of a difference if one considers that its Cyberwarfare, right? Geographical distance doesn't matter much in cyberspace, does it?
Yes I noticed your point about CNA little bit later, CNA is next advancement in ew warfare because now a days everything based on sensor fusion and lot of automation so if you can poison one system it will open an entry in to entire network grid, from there you can carry out any kind of cyber attack, the most recent example for this kind of attack happened in Russia Ukraine war, where at beginning of war all Ukraine armed forces satellite communication network became useless because Russian cyber command found a 0 day on ground links and rewrite all ground terminals which rendered them useless, so if ew CNA became materialized UAV with ECM pod flown near air identification zone can take care of regional air defense node,

Ps: my apologies for overlooking CNA part
 
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Yes I noticed your point about CNA little bit later, CNA is next advancement in ew warfare because now a days everything based on sensor fusion and lot of automation so if you can poison one system it will open a entry in to network grid fron there you can carry out any kind of cybet attack, the most recent example for this kind of attack happened in Russia Ukraine war, where at beginning of war all Ukraine armed forces satellite communication network became useless because Russian cyber command found a 0 day on ground links and rewrite all ground terminals which rendered them useless, so if ew CNA became materlized a UAV with ECM pod flown near air identification zone can take care of regional air defense node,
BTW, do you have any resource that details how EW-CNA works? I mean the enemy is basically receiving your ECM as a signal on its radar, right? How do you get past all the signal processing circuitry and transmit a malacious code into the software of the IADS itself? At most the radar will provide speed, bearing, distance and radar signature of the target, right? And no matter what you do with your ECM signal, any info you transmit will end up as these parameters to the radar, right? So how can it make the jump from being a blob on the radar screen into actually affecting the IADS software itself?
 

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